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Alexis Merlin
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 Posted - 03 Jul 2003 : 23:39:54
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Hi all,
For those who don't know this is an order of paladins who have a base in Athkatla, and are featured in Baldurs Gate 2. I particularly enjoyed the plotlines involving this group in the game (as well as the characters of Anomen and Keldorn obviously), and was wondering if the Order appear in canon Realmslore, and where I can find out more about them?
Thanks,
Alexis
P.S. For those who were wondering, I too have had a 'busy period' with exams etc recently, and am also departing for The Spine of the World (read:Greenland) for a 5-week expedition, from July 18th - so will do my best to get the Sea Battle story conclusion finished and posted up before then  !!
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jul 2003 : 05:43:45
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Hmm -- I'd call Greenland the Sea of Endless Ice, not the Spine of the world . . . that one'd go to the Rocky/Andes chain, wouldn't you think?
Anyway, I looked, but couldn't find any mention of it in my limited files. What god do they serve? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 04 Jul 2003 : 09:37:08
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I have looked through several tomes that I have here, and I have found nothing specifically Realms related concerning the Order of the Radiant Heart.
Interestingly though, I did find something pertaining to this Order in the 2e Complete Paladin's Handbook. In the book, it makes mention of the Order as an organisation for your Paladin to be a member of. When your character does successfully become a member your PC is granted certain benefits. For more details, consult the Handbook, if you can find it, otherwise let me know and I will summarise the information and email it to you.
This next portion of text comes directly from the Complete Paladin's Handbook -
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Most Noble Order of the Radiant Heart
The most prestigious of all orders, the Radiant Heart commands respect from the highest ranks of the aristocracy, who regard its members regarded as dignitaries in their own right. The Radiant Heart honors not only distinguished service, but what is perhaps the most remarkable accomplishment of any paladin-a long life. Primarily a social organization, the Radiant Heart holds a lavish feast every spring, held in the castle of a grateful monarch who donates both the labor and the food. In their free time, members counsel younger paladins, serve as government advisors, and officiate at tournaments.
Hope that helps.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 04 Jul 2003 : 10:04:51
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| Figures. I thought about doing that, but figured that it would have to be Realms-related. Silly me. |
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Alexis Merlin
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2003 : 00:47:39
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If you could possibly email the info to me Sage that would be most appreciated You can use either Cyrusthevirus_uk@yahoo.com or Alex@gibo.demon.co.uk
I'm mostly interested in background info and anecdotes rather than rules etc, but any info would be much appreciated.
Point taken on the Sea of Endless Ice Bookwyrm...unfortunately my knowledge of FR geography is somewhat limited 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 06 Jul 2003 : 05:35:39
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Okay Alexis. I will get to summarising the information in the Handbook, and a few other interesting tidbits about the Order that I have found since the 4th of July.
You should have it in a few days.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2003 : 07:50:27
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| ::shakes head:: Honestly . . . it's the same everywhere I go, whatever world I'm in . . . people just don't pay as much attention to geography as they used to . . . . Now, me, I admit to not knowing every inch of the Realms, but then, I'm a world-traveller. My head, big as it is (well, in my true dragon form) is full of such information, and it was only recently that I returned to the Realms anyway. And here's the secret, Master Alchemist -- maps. Never be without your maps . . . . |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2003 : 09:28:39
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| Heh. I love having maps. I used to study the maps in each novel, trying to get a sense of the shape of the Realms. I only had a vague idea of the information available in the form of game moduals. I knew basically zero about D&D at the time. I was just on the verge of taking pencil to paper and trying to match up all the small maps when I finally found the original Atlas. I was rather pleased with that find. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Jul 2003 : 16:39:49
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1 out of 7 americans cannot find the United States on a globe. 1 out of 5 americans cannot locate the United Kingdom on a globe.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 02:44:49
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 Land of the knowledge-free, and home of the bravely ignorant.
Problem is, in the States, everything has to be "cool." Science, geography, etc., are just not 'cool' enough. They need to make fewer shows celebrating the dumb (coughrealityshowscough) and more where the smart person isn't labled 'geek' and made fun of. Violence and sex in television shouldn't be the only things activists are worried about -- they should also consider the stupidity.
In fact, if we had less stupidity in television, and thus stop teaching kids (and adults) that it's okay and normal to be dumb, we might have fewer Accidents of Sheer Stupidity (including all those hey-look-it's-my-dad's-gun-don't-worry-it-isn't-loaded accidents).
Sorry about the unRealmsian rant, all. This is just something that bugs me. Really, really bugs me. |
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Mournblade
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 07:01:25
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Land of the knowledge-free, and home of the bravely ignorant.
Problem is, in the States, everything has to be "cool." Science, geography, etc., are just not 'cool' enough. They need to make fewer shows celebrating the dumb (coughrealityshowscough) and more where the smart person isn't labled 'geek' and made fun of. Violence and sex in television shouldn't be the only things activists are worried about -- they should also consider the stupidity.
In fact, if we had less stupidity in television, and thus stop teaching kids (and adults) that it's okay and normal to be dumb, we might have fewer Accidents of Sheer Stupidity (including all those hey-look-it's-my-dad's-gun-don't-worry-it-isn't-loaded accidents).
Sorry about the unRealmsian rant, all. This is just something that bugs me. Really, really bugs me.
Actually I see no problem with Violence and Sex on TV. In context it works. STUPIDITY is what I would fight against, so I must agree with you Bookwyrm. Don't forget about the 1 in 8 people of America that do not know why July 4th is celebrated. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 07:04:07
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I agree with your post 100% Bookwyrm. I know that in Australia, this coughrealityshowscough phenomenon has been getting far out of hand over these last two years. I have also noticed increased instances of 'stupidity' related accidents especially here. I feel this trend of idiocy increasing though, what with the rumors that the fantasy/sci-fi genre is in a world-wide downturn, and the rapid proliferation of stupidity-related programs continues unabated...
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 21:39:51
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Yup. It isn't television itself that vegetates people, though it can lead to it. It's the programs that are the immediate worry. Friends, Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Everybody Loves Raymond, etc. . . . things like that. Especially the unreality shows. Note the name I give them, please. A real reality show would be Cops or somesuch. About the only things real about "reality" shows would be a) they're filmed on this planet, b) they use humans as subjects, and c) they cost a lot. That's about it, I think.
You know, there was a strip from a webcomic that I liked; it's not one that I would post here, as it's nothing to do with RPGs. However, the comic has a recuring joke about conspirisies -- such as the UFO conspiracy actually being a conspiracy to hide a conspiracy to make it look like there was a conspiracy. One of my favorites was the car alarm (a useless device) being a cacophony conspiracy.
Anyway, one of the strips stated that "reality" shows were a conspiracy based on reverse psychology, in an attempt to shock people into demanding better TV programs. Unfortuately, it failed. Would that it were true -- at least then we'd have a reason for all these things.
I wrote a short paper on this subject; not so much about stupidity, but as an example. I called it The Future of Humanity, and submitted it in two classes; got full marks for each. In fact, the second professor (Dr. D'Souza, Philosophy) liked it so much he asked me if he could keep it himself.
Anyway, I stated in it the claim that the human race is a species of explorers, but with no real land left to expand into (none of the planet's surface has that 'new' feel) we've turned inward, trying to fulfill our need to explore with increasingly mindless entertainment.
If anyone wants to read that paper, you're welcome to it. It's more of an argument for the American space program (I make frequent remarks to "this" country, meaning the United States) and was written for an American audience, but it's still a universal message. If anyone wants it, I'll email it.
Sorry, Alaundo. I really shouldn't be harping on about unRealmsian things, but this is an important issue. |
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Alexis Merlin
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 21:53:56
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Unfortunately here in the UK far too many people seem obsessed with "Reality TV" programs as well - I heard a statistic which I hope is a false one which is that more people called in to vote on the "Big Brother" show than used their votes in the General (national) Parliamentary Elections...apologies Alaundo for this getting off topic, but as Bookwyrm said, it is an important issue .
I'd love to read that paper which you mention Bookwyrm - being a strong proponent of the Space Program (which is preciously lacking in the UK), and also seeing as I'm planning to emigrate to the US once I graduate anyhow, it sounds like it would very much appeal to me! |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 22:04:51
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Very well, Alexis, I'll send it by ethereal mail right away. And I must say, I wish that more people like you would come over and replace certain others . . . Unkind of me, but there you are. I just don't like the stupid.
I think it was Socrates (correct me if I'm wrong) that said something along the lines of "any man who has gained wisdom would rather be the slave of the poorest man than be ignorant." Or something like that. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 22:29:48
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Perhaps I should clarify what I said. I don't like the stupid-by-choice. The people who simply aren't smart, due to birth defect or accident, are not included in that. I've known a few; one of my neighbors is the size of a quarterback (not muscled, but that size) but is at the mental age of a five year old. He's never going to get any better. However, he's a very happy person. In D&D terms, I'd make him a Str 13, Int 3, Wis 12, Cha 10.
The people I don't like are those who are stupid because they don't care. They have the ability to learn beyond what my neighbor can retain, but choose not to apply it. I've no problem with my neighbor, though I admit I'm awkward around him; it's those others who are wastes of resources. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 07:49:08
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I would also appreciate a copy of this paper Bookwyrm. It sounds interesting.
Oh, and your quote was from Socrates (supposedly, since it was originally derived from one of Plato's many works).
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 07:52:48
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| Of course, Sage. Just let me fetch my rod of portals and I'll send it through the ether. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:30:51
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| Did either of you like the paper? (I'm asking here because I never got emails back.) |
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Alexis Merlin
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2003 : 23:08:22
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| Sage - I haven't received the email with the info on it yet, just wondered if you had forgotten about it or something (not that I need it soon or anything, just a gentle reminder ). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Aug 2003 : 07:12:04
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I did send it, but then I have been having considerable trouble with my email provider these last few months (hence the change of address). I do apologise anyway...I will see to sending you the appropriate information when I get home from the library.
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2003 : 14:55:45
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*uses an illusion to make him self look like someone else* Well .... I dont like this group one bit fromt he sounds of them anyway. They sound like a sod bunch to me! Going around and messing up my .. I mean other peoples plans. They are probbly nothing more then a bunch of Black Gaurds trying to make themselves look good. Yeha thats it  !!!!! Infact I know a few NPCs that came from that group who were Black Gaurds... I mean who would expect one of the sod boys to be a bad guy eh? |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 30 Aug 2003 : 06:02:39
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| He's joking, Sage. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Aug 2003 : 14:01:13
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I realised...
Obviously my second attempt at sarcasm on this forum has again ended in failure (of course a lack of relevant smilies could also have contributed to that... ).
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Cult_Leader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2003 : 13:57:51
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Or was I joking. MWAHAHA You don't know you don't know. Well yeah I was......  But thats not the point..... |
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Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
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The Most Noble Order of the Radiant Heart
