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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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 Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 12:38:36
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I was wondering which books already published induce (lead in) the 4th Ed. changes in the Realms?!
I've read that Richerd Lee Byers Haunted Lands Trilogy deals with the events around this time.
I've also heard similar things of the Lady Penitent Trilogy by Lisa Smedman.
And I can imagine the Empyrean Odyssey Trilogy by Thomas Reid most like does so too.
How about the books from the Citadals or Dungeon series?
Please leave it to a simple statement as to whether they touch upon the matter and leave possible spoilers aside or mark them as such, so that I and other readers might still enjoy those books at the fullest.
Thanks, Ergdusch
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 15:19:41
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
I was wondering which books already published induce (lead in) the 4th Ed. changes in the Realms?!
I've read that Richerd Lee Byers Haunted Lands Trilogy deals with the events around this time.
I've also heard similar things of the Lady Penitent Trilogy by Lisa Smedman.
And I can imagine the Empyrean Odyssey Trilogy by Thomas Reid most like does so too.
Yes to all.
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How about the books from the Citadals or Dungeon series?
Citadels, I can't say at this time. Of the Dungeon series, only Stardeep has references to 4E stuff in it. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 19 Jun 2008 15:19:59 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 16:32:19
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Citadels, I can't say at this time. Of the Dungeon series, only Stardeep has references to 4E stuff in it.
I read that book a month and a half ago and can't remember for the life of me what the 4E references were? What was it again? (in spoiler warning format of course) |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 10:29:50
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Thanks for the answers so far. Much appreciated indeed.
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Mark S.
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 16:20:01
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| To the best of my knowledge, SENTINELSPIRE is the last of the Citadels books, and it is still 3rd edition. As much as I wanted to blow up the world, my editor wouldn't let me. ;) |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 16:32:47
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Since you're here... Are you going to be at Gen Con this year Mark?
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Originally posted by Mark S.
To the best of my knowledge, SENTINELSPIRE is the last of the Citadels books, and it is still 3rd edition. As much as I wanted to blow up the world, my editor wouldn't let me. ;)
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 19:26:46
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Originally posted by Mark S.
To the best of my knowledge, SENTINELSPIRE is the last of the Citadels books, and it is still 3rd edition. As much as I wanted to blow up the world, my editor wouldn't let me. ;)
Thanks Mark! That's great to hear. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 00:26:11
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Citadels, I can't say at this time. Of the Dungeon series, only Stardeep has references to 4E stuff in it.
I read that book a month and a half ago and can't remember for the life of me what the 4E references were? What was it again? (in spoiler warning format of course)
All right: Stuff regarding Abeir and aboleths. |
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Mark S.
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 02:08:09
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Since you're here... Are you going to be at Gen Con this year Mark?
Not this year. Maybe next. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2008 : 23:07:14
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Originally posted by Mark S.
To the best of my knowledge, SENTINELSPIRE is the last of the Citadels books, and it is still 3rd edition. As much as I wanted to blow up the world, my editor wouldn't let me. ;)
Don't you know all good Realms authors are supposed to ask if they can blow up the Moon, not the planet? It's tradition! 
Steven
who's sorry Mark won't be there at Gen Con, as he's not shaken Mark's hand in quite some time.... |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 13:13:46
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Don't you know all good Realms authors are supposed to ask if they can blow up the Moon, not the planet? It's tradition!
You mean the moon will be spared from the Spellplague? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 15:24:05
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Don't you know all good Realms authors are supposed to ask if they can blow up the Moon, not the planet? It's tradition!
You mean the moon will be spared from the Spellplague?
Well, we don't know if anything else happened up there, but the illusion making it look lifeless is gone. That was in the Wailing Years article. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 15:47:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Don't you know all good Realms authors are supposed to ask if they can blow up the Moon, not the planet? It's tradition!
You mean the moon will be spared from the Spellplague?
Well, we don't know if anything else happened up there, but the illusion making it look lifeless is gone. That was in the Wailing Years article.
so even the moon isn't spared this nonsense? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 16:01:43
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| With the illusion gone, I'm actually keen on seeing what will happen to the humans, elves, and that significant settlement of Leiran faithful. Actually, they're probably former faithful now, given her 'dead' status. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 16:44:42
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Don't you know all good Realms authors are supposed to ask if they can blow up the Moon, not the planet? It's tradition!
You mean the moon will be spared from the Spellplague?
Well, we don't know if anything else happened up there, but the illusion making it look lifeless is gone. That was in the Wailing Years article.
so even the moon isn't spared this nonsense?
Nope. And if they acknowledged the other planets in Realmspace, we'd likely see more wanton illogic there. |
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Nkoda
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 19:10:14
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| I think the Elves should go back to Faerie... wait it was destroyed... I want more info on that.. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 21:47:51
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Faerie (now known as the Feywild) wasn't destroyed. I presume you're referring to the destruction of the island kingdom of Tintageer from the Evermeet novel.
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I think the Elves should go back to Faerie... wait it was destroyed... I want more info on that..
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2008 : 02:56:10
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My theory is the the Last Mythal is the real cause of the 4-gotten Realms. I think Rich Baker was raked over the coals for not being 100% true to existing lore, it was decided to dump the old lore as much as possible.
They have basically stated the 4e version of the Realms are in place so authors don't have to do research |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 : 04:55:07
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Jul 2008 : 03:42:06
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Merrik, trust me on this: Publishers don't make big moves to make life easier for authors.
Perhaps you are correct. I have never been an author or an editor. But it was a common complaint about some (not saying you) authors that there was too much lore to get a handle on. Then you write something that might not completely fit right and bam! You hear about here and elsewhere
I have heard Rich Baker himself say this is a boon to FR authors because they can now write the stories they want to and not be to bogged down. I can't help but wonder if the complaints from the authors (again not you) had some effect on this decision. I am merely surmissing from various things I have read from the blogs, boards and podcasts by these authors. It is interesting to note that Mr. Baker, whose work I very much admire by the way, got more heat than most with the Last Mythal and he is one of the driving forces behind the new Realms
Of course, what he doesn't seem to quite get, is that we, the hardcore uber-fan of the Realms, want the lore driven book. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2008 : 04:08:51
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Merrik, trust me on this: Publishers don't make big moves to make life easier for authors.
We trust you. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 01:42:19
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Merrik, trust me on this: Publishers don't make big moves to make life easier for authors.
Not for freelance authors, but maybe (in part) for in-house authors, and for editors who don't have to either train or heavily lore-edit new outside writers (or licensees) or limit themselves to a smaller pool. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 04:17:19
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The only reason any publisher makes a big move is because some highly placed person or persons believe that it will improve the bottom line.
Honest. That's what it's all about. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 05:17:28
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| I work in publishing, Richard, and I'm not suggesting that factor motivated the whole thing. But at least one of the Wizards staff explicitly mentioned it as a part of their thinking (I can't provide a quote because of the rejigging of the Wizards forums), and it's credible enough. The licensing factor is my own speculation, and that does potentially translate to money. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 14:03:05
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Faraer, I'm just a freelancer, not a WotC employee, so I admit, I'm not privy to all the inside deliberations, and I could wrong. But I've been a professional writer since the mid-eighties and have worked with a variety of publishers, so I have some confidence in my opinion on this subject.
I don't doubt you when you tell me that at least one person has said, this is good, this will make life easier for the authors. What I question is whether that consideration actually influenced the decision-making. I find it a lot more credible that someone saw it as a mere fringe benefit of a decision driven by money.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 17:35:05
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 17:55:13
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
What I question is whether that consideration actually influenced the decision-making. I find it a lot more credible that someone saw it as a mere fringe benefit of a decision driven by money.
Yes, but what if that designer/author is one of the people influencing those decisions. There is no question that they have to establish that it will make more money. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 18:10:24
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| Again, I wasn't there, so I could be wrong. But in my opinion, even if a writer or a designer got a vote, he didn't vote on the basis of whether jumping the timeline would make life easier for writers. He voted on the basis of money. Publishing is a business, and that's just the way it works. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 20:44:59
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Again, I wasn't there, so I could be wrong. But in my opinion, even if a writer or a designer got a vote, he didn't vote on the basis of whether jumping the timeline would make life easier for writers. He voted on the basis of money. Publishing is a business, and that's just the way it works.
I don't disagree that money is the prime factor. Its always the prime factor. |
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Which novels induce the 4th Ed.
