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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 21:03:25
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Two questions...
Who is the Terraseeer? And how old is Toril??? |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 21:57:54
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*sigh* This is a SPOILER about the Teraseer:
The Teraseer is one of the Kings of Oreme, Sarrukh liches who are about 30,000 - 33,800 years old. They cycle through periods of reigning and of hibernation, with whoever is awake being called "King Oreme." The Teraseer's pet project was Netheril, and he appeared several times during Netherese history to give advice or utter prophecies, the last of which was that Netheril would be destroyed. Each "King Oreme" is thus one of the oldest undead creatures on Toril, and probably one of the most powerful arcanists, so some people, such as I, are critical of last year's Anauroch, which has the Teraseer, the reigning "King Oreme," captured by a ridiculously simple ruse; one of the goals of the adventure is for the PCs to free him. Serpent Kingdoms, pages 95 - 98 gives details of the kingdom of which Oreme is the last remnant, and 54 - 61 gives details of the sarrukh in general, and reveals that the liches of Oreme were members of a secret arcane organization called the Ba'etith, which compiled the Golden Skins of the World Serpent, a.k.a, the Nether Scrolls, a compilation of of magical lore which enabled the Netherese to build their empire and from which Karsus, creator of the only 12th-level spell, undoubtedly studied.
The liches of Oreme have a contingency which causes them all to awake if "King Oreme" is killed or "incapacitated," which makes the Teraseer sub-plot of Anauroch absurd -- had the Teraseer actually been incapacitated, dozens of sarrukh liches, some or all of whom had participated in writing the Nether Scrolls, would have revived and arisen..
The Teraseer has a personal name (or one which he uses), but I don't recall it. A "search" on Candlekeep should pull it up.
I had been hesitating to mention the Grandfather Tree, but reading Serpent Kingdoms confirmed what I thought -- it is more than 11,500 years old, but possibly younger than "the cutting at Stone Stand," about which I have no information ready at hand -- INDICES, HASBRO, INDICES! -- which indicates that "advanced elder treants" are probably the oldest known living creatures on Toril, or in Faerun, at least.
Researching the above also puts a date of -35,000 DR on the rise of the sarrukh. Per Ed Greenwood, how much older Toril itself may be is unknown.
Edit: corrections to age of Grandfather Tree.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 22:37:07
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The long-gone Maraloi may have pre-dated the Sarrukh, although most scholars link them to the Fey (who may or may not have pre-dated the Sarrukh - there is some conflicting evidence there).
The Maraloi, BTW, existed in the primordial Boreal forests of Northern Kara-Tur, in the Ama Basin. Myths say that they were immortal, so if any yet exist, then one of them could possibly fit the bill. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 23:37:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
The Teraseer has a personal name (or one which he uses), but I don't recall it. A "search" on Candlekeep should pull it up.
Arthindol the Teraseer (LEoF). |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 00:17:21
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Thank you!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 01:47:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
The Teraseer has a personal name (or one which he uses), but I don't recall it. A "search" on Candlekeep should pull it up.
Arthindol the Teraseer (LEoF).
I should note that "Arthindol" was the Terraseer's Netherese name. He has a suitably sarrukh name also. Krash made up the former, but he's left it to someone else to make up the latter.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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3767 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 01:47:34
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Originally posted by Joly
We do not know when Aboleth's came to Faerun, in the Abberations book(was reading it last night), it said they were the true first sentient race on Faerun.
-Elder Evils in not Forgotten Realms canon. If it is Stardeep you are referring to, that comes back with conflicting and possibly contrary to established canon as well. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 08:18:31
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| So "undead Cthulhu" would be the best bet then? |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 19:38:28
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No. Mention of Eltab brings to mind Malkizid, the fallen solar. There are probably many fiends and celestials living on Toril as non-native outsiders whose age pre-dates the last ice age, which preceded the rise of the sarrukh. Ditto for elementals.
As for aboleths ... again, we must wait for their trilogy to be published to see what's up with them. There are probably also some non-divine ultra-powerful beings of flesh and blood (or flesh and ichor, at least) who do not put themselves forward and so may be unknown to us (at least as elder beings); when they do appear in power, some adventuring band usually shows up to put them down without asking to see a birth certificate (examples: Vhostym and pre-divine Bane, whose origins remain unknown, but who is pretty darned old); as an instance of someone who is several thousand years old and living in the background, consider Iolaum's former apprentice, whom I mentioned previously as possibly older than Larloch, and who finds it easier to let people think that she's a polymorphed dragon than to allow them to know who and what she really is, although she's only a couple of thousand years old.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 11:20:45
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
No. Mention of Eltab brings to mind Malkizid, the fallen solar. There are probably many fiends and celestials living on Toril as non-native outsiders whose age pre-dates the last ice age, which preceded the rise of the sarrukh. Ditto for elementals.
As for aboleths ... again, we must wait for their trilogy to be published to see what's up with them. There are probably also some non-divine ultra-powerful beings of flesh and blood (or flesh and ichor, at least) who do not put themselves forward and so may be unknown to us (at least as elder beings); when they do appear in power, some adventuring band usually shows up to put them down without asking to see a birth certificate (examples: Vhostym and pre-divine Bane, whose origins remain unknown, but who is pretty darned old); as an instance of someone who is several thousand years old and living in the background, consider Iolaum's former apprentice, whom I mentioned previously as possibly older than Larloch, and who finds it easier to let people think that she's a polymorphed dragon than to allow them to know who and what she really is, although she's only a couple of thousand years old.
Malkizid and Eltab don't count. I'd prefer a being that was born on Toril. |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 04:54:12
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And both Vhostym and Bane were born on other planets.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 06:08:41
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Indeed. Ed, in Stormlight, suggested that Bane, who used to be a mortal before he ascended to godhood, might have been born on another world, far different and far removed from Toril.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:10:18
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Abeir? 
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Originally posted by The Sage
Indeed. Ed, in Stormlight, suggested that Bane, who used to be a mortal before he ascended to godhood, might have been born on another world, far different and far removed from Toril.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:13:33
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir?
No, definitely not! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:17:52
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir?
No, definitely not!
S'too bad, that would make the whole Abeir thing even more interesting. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:33:59
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I was also waiting for someone to mention Abeir.
As far as I know, until 2007 no one had ever publicly suggested that Abeir was anything other than Toril itself. Mr. James's excellent A Temporal Chronology of the Primes contains no suggestion otherwise.
All of which is beside the point, for ATCotP doesn't mention the sarrukh, either.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 : 01:48:50
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I have relatively little information on the following people, and with the exception of Omo, they may have a Divine Rank of 0 ... or not; specialist sages must provide us with the details for the perfection of our knowledge.
If he is still on Toril and has not been destroyed by some means, Lanaxis, first (?) of the titans, is probably well over 25,000 years old, and may be older than the Kings Oreme. His two younger brothers, Dunmore and Arno-Julian, if still in existence, would also both be in the 20,000 to 30,000 year range.
The "titan thane Omo" is a mysterious personage. I don't think that we have ever learned from whence he came or whether or not he died nor whether or not he was divine (or pre-divine, as are the Titans of Earth and of Scarn). The original pdf of the Grand History placed him after the mating of Annam and Othea, which means that he was probably a son or grandson of Lanaxis; the print version, however, places him before Annam and Othea got it on, which makes his nature mysterious and may well mean that he was not a native of Toril, as were/are Lanaxis and his brothers.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 30 Jun 2008 : 17:12:20
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
As far as I know, until 2007 no one had ever publicly suggested that Abeir was anything other than Toril itself.
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Originally posted on Wikipedia
Toril was the name of Jeff Grubb's campaign world, and it was adopted as the name of the planet with the continent Faerūn when he and Ed Greenwood were designing the original Forgotten Realms Boxed Set in 1987. Abeir- was added as a prefix so that the world's name was placed at the beginning of an alphabetical encyclopedia.
Can anyone confirm the quoted part from Wikipedia? (Just to make sure I am not being confusing, I quoted the bit from Wikipedia to support your statement, Jamallo.) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 30 Jun 2008 : 17:24:49
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Here's a quote from Ed, from the now-defunct Yet Another Forgotten Realms website:
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Jeff contributed the name of the planet (Toril, to which he added the prefix Abeir to shift the world entry to the front of the alphabetical listings in the Old Grey Box) from his campaign. I had no world name because the folks in Faerun knew they lived on something that curved, but considered it all one land. Jeff also added a god (Waukeen), and reshaped everything into official rules format. (The gods from Jeff's own campaign had already been used in the Dragonlance setting, I believe.) Jeff and I became very close friends, and he managed the hard task of turning all the Realmslore I sent in to TSR every week (until they yelled at me to stop) into a coherent setting with both wit and humor. I can't thank him enough.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 : 01:14:19
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And this from THO -
"Correct. Jeff did create and name Waukeen, and did name "the planet" Abeir-Toril.
The name "Faerūn" (which means "home" in a long-ago, forgotten language) refers to the main continent of the published Realms. Ed's thinking was that "everyone" knew about the land they lived in, and its boundary seas, but not every culture "of today," Realmstime, knew it was on a spherical planet. There are various names among the Netherese, modern Halruaans, elves, etc, for the planet, but there was no one commonly-accepted one.
TSR needed an "official" label. Jeff was the handler, traffic cop, and "TSR end" of the Realms, and provided one. As with everything, he checked with Ed, and Ed said: fine. Sure. Go ahead.
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This from Jeff -
"I remember mentioning elsewhere that the Abeir-Toril title means "cradle of life" in an archaic tongue. While I never stated which was which, I always assumed that "toril" was the word for life and "abeir" was the word for originator, cradle, or home." |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 : 03:55:19
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| -Note that it was the 'Toril' part that was inherently tied to his campaign. For example, the deities in his world were 'Torillian' deities. |
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Alenis
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 07:19:58
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| How about Iakhovas, the megaladon/were-shark/ whatever he was who instigated the Twelfth Seros War? He supposedly left the oceans of Toril at the very start of the Days of Thunder, but he was already old before then, hunting with a young Sekolah and having Umberlee fall in love with him. |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 11:56:22
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| Bazim-Gorag is also old. He is one of the Batrachi lords but later became a sort of planar entity when the Batrachi race fled to other planes. If i am not mistaken, he became a sort of "fiend" but I leave you scribes to figure it out. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:08:27
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| The Sojourner was also immensely ancient, so old that even his formidable magical powers could no longer sustain his life. While not necessarily the oldest being in the realms he was surely one who was listed amongst their number. |
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Alenis
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:34:11
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Originally posted by Thauranil
The Sojourner was also immensely ancient, so old that even his formidable magical powers could no longer sustain his life. While not necessarily the oldest being in the realms he was surely one who was listed amongst their number.
But he wasn't actually of Toril; he didn't originate there. He was merely one of many powerful beings that happened to show up there for one reason or another.
That being said, in my mind, he was one of the most powerful mortal-like beings out there in realmslore. You add an incredibly powerful wizard with an scary powerful student of the Invisible Art, and you have yourself a powerhouse. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:39:06
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Was it not mentioned in Dawn of Night that he was already around blasting worlds even before Toril was created? |
Every beginning has an end. |
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coach
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 00:30:09
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The Hermit [great wyrm corpse tearer linnorn cleric] (Ruin p41,44-58)
a. Colossal size (Ruin p44)
b. Priest of unnamed deity, power behind darkness and undeath (Ruin p56)
c. Over 25,000 years old (Ruin p51-58)
d. Sage of ancient kingdoms (Ruin p58) |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 10:41:22
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| @Dennis: The Sojourner apparently left worlds in flame and slew flights of dragons. He also did not seem afraid if he had to fight Cyric. |
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swifty
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Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 10:57:47
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Was it not mentioned in Dawn of Night that he was already around blasting worlds even before Toril was created?
think it mentioned something about him being at least 10000 years old. |
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