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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 11:26:48
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Does the Shadow Weave need the Weave to exist?
Is the Shadow Weave Shar's body or a part of it like Mystra is the Weave and she would be destroyed with it's destruction?
If the Shadow Weave is separate does it have some control over Shar? Or her control over it can be taken?
When the Shadow Weave created? Not when the Weave was, right?
I have MoF, GHotR and Anauroch and still it's confusing
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 13:17:36
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Oh, I recall that we had this discussion already with very similar questions. You might want to run a search on this.
I will very briefly answer your question as I see it:
1. Shadow Weave needs Weave? - Yes, toigh this has been hotly debated!
2. Shadow Weave part of Shars body? - No, not part of her 'body' per se but Shar created it and thus would loose some of her power on its destruction (as she had to spend some divine essence to create it in the first place).
3. Shadow Weave control over Shar? - No, most certainly not. However, other deities might be able to snatch control over it away from Shar. Possible: yes, likely to happen: no.
4. Time of creation? - IIRC there has not been a specific date for the creation of the Shadow Weave. However you are right about the fact that it was not the exact same instant the Weave was created.
And to put you on ease - this entire matter has been very confusing to a lot of people - to us scribes at Candlekeep, players, novel authors and even designers. Throw in the term 'Shadow Magic' and all is lost.  |
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Edited by - Ergdusch on 16 Jun 2008 13:21:20 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 14:00:56
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 14:46:37
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I'd skip the shadow weave entirely and use shadow magic as described in Tome of Magic instead. Therein you do find a few notes on how the shadow weave and shadow magic may work with one another or alongside one another.
Methinks too that TGHotR specifically stated that Shar lost control over the SW once the Spellplague struck ... or rather, once Mystra met Fate. So I'd suggest that - since we haven't had it before 3E - the Shadow Weave was created when the Weave was created, but Shar only controlled it for a certain time. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 14:52:15
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
1. Shadow Weave needs Weave? - Yes, toigh this has been hotly debated!
Rich Baker clarified the apparent contradiction between the reference in Magic of Faerūn and the 3e Shadowdale adventure module. It is as follows:-
"Hmmm. In all honesty I can't explain why the Shadowdale sidebar says that. The parenthetical is a clear contradiction of the information on Magic of Faerun page 10. I'm inclined to regard the Shadowdale sidebar as being in error in this regard. My apologies for the confusion.
While I did work on part of Shadowdale, that wasn't my material."
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Rich is referring to this bit from the Shadowdale adventure -- pg. 12 - "The Rite of Unwinding is a Sharran ritual intended to suppress the Weave in an ever-expanding region, slowly creating a dead magical zone to suppress the Weave without actually destroying it (which would cause the Shadow Weave in the area to collapse.)"
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 15:14:05
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According to Ed, the Shadow Weave was really just a part of the Weave and couldn't exist independantly thereof. That's the explanation I go with, but IIRC it has since been overridden by other official sources (I think the recent adventure trilogy).
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 16:42:48
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BTW, it has been described in Undead how the Shadow Weave unravels and goes beyond Shar's cold grasp, if that helps.
While we are at it, I am extremely unhappy about the way the author handled the deities in that novel, having Bane ('s avatar?) being summoned and questioned like a "mere" greater demon by Szass Tam. |
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Edited by - Zanan on 16 Jun 2008 16:43:29 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 17:39:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
... And it especially doesn't help when the latest book says one thing, and a designer says "Oh, that's wrong."
-I'd rather have the truth, than mistakes, no matter how 'stupid' it makes said designers seem. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 18:14:28
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
... And it especially doesn't help when the latest book says one thing, and a designer says "Oh, that's wrong."
-I'd rather have the truth, than mistakes, no matter how 'stupid' it makes said designers seem.
Ditto. The problem is that they keep changing the truth -- and often, the truth seems to be changed for mere convenience, more than anything else. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 18:34:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
... And it especially doesn't help when the latest book says one thing, and a designer says "Oh, that's wrong."
-I'd rather have the truth, than mistakes, no matter how 'stupid' it makes said designers seem.
Ditto. The problem is that they keep changing the truth -- and often, the truth seems to be changed for mere convenience, more than anything else.
'Truth' is such a strange word in this context, IMO.How can something that is all but 'fantasy' be true in the sense of the word. Make it 'the lore' and I can only agree with you, Wolly. And wholeheartelly, too!
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Edited by - Ergdusch on 16 Jun 2008 22:20:20 |
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Some questions about Shar
