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Markustay
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 Posted - 24 May 2008 : 22:41:05
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IIRC, it was somewhat covered in the Silver Marches sourcebook (where the Gnomes went), and also in Underdark (what the deal with the city is now).
The intial destruction was handled in the same Drizzt trilogy where Menzo attacked Mithral hall... can't remember the name.
Not near my sources, though, so I could be mistaken. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 24 May 2008 : 23:40:31
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 04:19:26
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Disconnected lore without a beginning or an end.  |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 05:51:59
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| it was touched on in one of the Drizzt novels. Not a lot of specifics from what I remember though. The survivors ended up in Mithril Hall, touched on in a later Drizzt novel. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 12:08:01
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IIRC the matron mother (can't remember her name), who attacked Mithril Hall and was , later attacked the deepgnome settlement to show sort of 'revenge' her defeat and to 'proof' that she was 'again' or 'still' in Lloth favor.I am not at my sources right now, so I cannot tell you where I read this or if this is actually true lore. It just came to my head when reading this.... Hope it helps anyway.
Besides that, I recall reading about it in the 3.5 Underdark sourcebook.
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 15:37:10
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See? Thats what I could have sworn I remembered (I'm away from home the past two weeks - no sources) - the actual attack did take place in a novel, but it was played down big-time, like only a page or two.
When I read the excerpts in SM and Und, It just sort of remindeded me of events I already heard about, if memory serves me correctly.
I thought the city was attacked first - almost as an afterthought - on the way to Mithral Hall (they were prepping the army's route, and didn't want the Dwarves to get any forewarning).
IIRC, the incident Ergdusch is referencing had to do with that other house (Oblodra?) that Matron Mother took down to re-establish the Baenre supremacey, not Blingdinstone. By Tiriel, BTW - her mother was already dead by then. If Yvonne Baenre took down Blingdinstoine, which I believe she did, it would have to have been BEFORE the war, like I suspect.
I remember thinking that it was rather poor writing, because Blindinstone managed to survive in close proximity to Menzoberranzan for centuries, and the minute the Drow decided to attack, they took them down with extreme ease.
If it was that easy, why hadn't they done it sooner? RAS should have established some condition that changed (either in Menzo or Bling) that would have accounted for the Drow being suddenly able to do something they couldn't before, and yet he did not. I usually overlook the shortcomings of his writing, but I remember that was a definate WTF? moment for me.
Anyhow, I thought that city added some flavor to an otherwise boring (everything is EVIL) region, and I was hoping for some future lore on it, but obviously we will NEVER get any now.  |
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freyar
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 16:11:06
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| The e3e FRCS pg 211 says that Menzo sacked Blingdenstone several years after their failed attack on Mithral Hall in retaliation for the gnomes' joining in that earlier fight. IIRC, in RAS's book, the gnomes were afraid of being attacked when Menzo went up against Mithral Hall and evacuated but weren't actually attacked. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 08:32:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
I remember thinking that it was rather poor writing, because Blindinstone managed to survive in close proximity to Menzoberranzan for centuries, and the minute the Drow decided to attack, they took them down with extreme ease.
If it was that easy, why hadn't they done it sooner? RAS should have established some condition that changed (either in Menzo or Bling) that would have accounted for the Drow being suddenly able to do something they couldn't before, and yet he did not. I usually overlook the shortcomings of his writing, but I remember that was a definate WTF? moment for me.
Actually, he adressed that. Blidgenstone was allowed to survive for so long because it provided an outside threat to the Drow, so their society wouldn't completely collapse by infighting. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 10:01:09
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The fall of Blingdenstone was one of the changes to the Realms that was brought in by the advent of 3E. At the time I queried the reason for the fall of this city - especially since such a development invalidated all of the carefully crafted lore about the place in DDGttU - but didn't get a response. Such are the vicissitudes of life as an ad-hoc, freelance Realms "adviser".
Well, those days are gone. On to 4E.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 17:22:57
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Thats right!
They left, they weren't attacked that first time with Yvonne...
Thanks for the correction - its been years since I've read those. I know something happened to the city before the war...
GK - there doesn't seem to be any reason for the city's removal other then someone took exception to it?! 
Strange reason for something to be changed in a 'shared world' <cough>... but then again, stranger things have happened since...
I'm sure this entire storyline will be completely ignored in 4e.
That, or they will be enslaved by the Netherease Empire ( they did so love their Gnomish slaves), and become "Shadow Gnomes" or some such.
Or turned into those Giant Gnomes mentioned in the GHotR... forget their name... |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 17:26:50
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Markustay
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 01:02:15
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Thats it! 
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 05:12:58
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 08:17:09
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The fall of Blingdenstone was one of the changes to the Realms that was brought in by the advent of 3E. At the time I queried the reason for the fall of this city - especially since such a development invalidated all of the carefully crafted lore about the place in DDGttU - but didn't get a response. Such are the vicissitudes of life as an ad-hoc, freelance Realms "adviser".
Well, those days are gone. On to 4E.
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They just wiped out the city for no good reason? wow... |
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Bakra
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 15:36:55
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Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
The fall of Blingdenstone was one of the changes to the Realms that was brought in by the advent of 3E. At the time I queried the reason for the fall of this city - especially since such a development invalidated all of the carefully crafted lore about the place in DDGttU - but didn't get a response. Such are the vicissitudes of life as an ad-hoc, freelance Realms "adviser".
Well, those days are gone. On to 4E.
-- George Krashos
They just wiped out the city for no good reason? wow...
Try not to jump to conclusions. And folks the WoTC is being run by mindless designers hatered is getting old. (gee, did I just jump to a conclusion?) If you want a good reason for it being wiped off the map then write one for your game. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 17:06:21
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If they had a good reason, why not say it?
That said, I could live with the destruction of Blingdenstone, if it had been dealt with in later products. A couple paragraphs in Silver Marches and Underdark and that's it. How many novels have taken place in the North, with no mention? Not even RAS, whose stories focus on Mithril Hall, has them. Not one word. You'd think that maybe Belwar would show up during the siege, when Regis has no one else to turn to...
Of course, this is made worse by WotC's aversion to covering the same place more than once. No Volo's Guides. No update book five or six years later. But even so, they managed to cover other plot threads in the North (Grandfather Tree, for instance).
When there's never any mention, by ANYONE, ever again, it really does start to look like it was destroyed out of, if not spite, then a fit of pique, and then promptly forgotten, and hang the many years of steadily-building lore. Which fits a lot of what they did all over in 3e, and describes the 4e Realms to a tee. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 18:09:28
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Siege of Darkness *cough cough* Siege of Darkness
According to SOD (1358 DR), Belwar was always planning to return to Blingdenstone. He never said exactly when, though. We're merely told that an earth elemental or two was left behind to watch over the deserted town until the return of the gnomes.
According to the Silver Marches sourcebook, Bling was fully occupied again at some time before being destroyed in 1371. The top six houses of Menzo called in this hit as revenge for the prior failed raid on Mithral Hall. Only a few hundred gnomes survived, who relocated to Silverymoon.
But Belwar's group supposedly still officially inhabits Mithral Hall.
This destruction would appear to have taken place at the same time as "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy". Perhaps Belwar's group left to reinforce the other gnomes in defense of their hometown during "THBT" but were then scattered, and that is why we haven't heard from them since?
Sure seems like they would've rated at least a mention in the novels, though. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 21:55:36
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So the city WAS attacked by Triel's Menzo, and not Yvonne's?
Then I was remembering it wrong... sorry. 
The only thing you failed to mention was Und, which I believe states that several Drow houses are vying for control of the city, which invalidates the part about Belwar's group.
As far as blaming this sort of thing on the designers... who should we blame? Its almost as if anything 'too confusing' for them goes under the knife.
Or anything created by Ed.
Seriously, except for the world itself (geography and most nations), what part of Ed's previous lore is making it into the 4e setting? 
As far as we know, out of the hundreds (thousands?) of NPCs he's created, they only allowed one to survive...
as a slighlty crazy hermit who's afraid to use his powers...
Anyhow, we will never know the final fate of the Blingdenstone Gnomes, because Gnomes aren't in the 4e PHB, and they choose to ignore anything that isn't relevant to the new rules. So lets just pretend they all migrated to Songfarla, and be done with it. |
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Bakra
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Posted - 29 May 2008 : 02:26:36
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Originally posted by Markustay
So the city WAS attacked by Triel's Menzo, and not Yvonne's?
Then I was remembering it wrong... sorry.
The only thing you failed to mention was Und, which I believe states that several Drow houses are vying for control of the city, which invalidates the part about Belwar's group.
As far as blaming this sort of thing on the designers... who should we blame? Its almost as if anything 'too confusing' for them goes under the knife.
Or anything created by Ed.
Seriously, except for the world itself (geography and most nations), what part of Ed's previous lore is making it into the 4e setting?
As far as we know, out of the hundreds (thousands?) of NPCs he's created, they only allowed one to survive...
as a slighlty crazy hermit who's afraid to use his powers...
Anyhow, we will never know the final fate of the Blingdenstone Gnomes, because Gnomes aren't in the 4e PHB, and they choose to ignore anything that isn't relevant to the new rules. So lets just pretend they all migrated to Songfarla, and be done with it.
Wow Markustay, I’m not sure where to begin. Think I will just stick with your gnome comment. I know for a fact you frequented the other board or use to cruise the FR threads. So you should know how they are treating gnomes in 4e Core and in 4e Forgotten Realms. This last statement of yours is not humorous and tends to be misleading to those readers who don’t follow the other message boards. They come here, read your negative rant, and see this last bit of ‘news’ on gnomes, and think this bit of ‘news’ is true. They would likely form this inaccurate opinion: “Gee gnomes are not in 4e phb at all nor are they in 4e Realms at all because they are not relevant to the new rules.” Seriously, they are in 4e core, in the monster manual in fact, as a player race. They have not been wiped out in the 4e Forgotten Realms either. Go back to the WoTC thread to do some gnomish research. You will discover they are still alive and kicking in 4e Realms. Gnomes are relevant. Gnomes are here to stay. Long live the gnomes! And to head this off gnomes are not in the phb because of multiple reasons. One of the reasons being not many people play the race or they don’t play the race that often. *gasp, shock, surprise*
And this is for everyone when it comes to Blingdenstone, make it yours. Own it. Its your game.
My last bit of writing (honest) is to Hoondatha. You asked, “If they had a good reason, why not say it?”
Why should they? Why do they need to explain anything to us nice scribes at all? Just be happy that we have something on them.
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 29 May 2008 : 16:33:59
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Conversely, why wouldn't they? Not to us, to George when he asked. At the very least it shows a lack of interest/bordering disrespect, since one sentence isn't exactly hard to write. Something as simple as, "We wanted to shake up that area's status quo," or "I could never pronounce the name of the city, so it had to go," or "We wanted some deep gnomes near the surface so they could be PC's," or even, "That's NDA at the moment," would all have been explanations that would take seconds to write.
That they said nothing at all, taken in isolation, means little. Taken with all the other travesties that have been perpetrated upon the Realms since the 3e switch-over, it shows the emergence earlier than I had realized of the "[lack of] 3e design mentality." |
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 May 2008 : 19:18:19
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I'm confused... I'm trying to figure out at which point I stated that Gnomes were no longer in the 4e Realms, or that they didn't exist at all.
I said they weren't in the PHB - I believe thats accurate.
I'm also under the assumption that the new 'minimalist' approach to settings will mean not going into every little detail, and the Bligndenstone Gnomes are most certainly one of those 'minor details'.
I also mentioned Songfarla as a possible place they may have went, which was my way of saying that they ARE in the 4e FR Realms - just not anywhere in "the middle of things" (ie, the Heartlands).
And if I'm not mistaken, WotC went out of their way in that podcast ofmaking a point that the Gnome was indeed a 'monster' now. Was this Podcast somehow innacurate? Is the Gnome now a playable race in 4e? If it is, my friend better return his 4e PHB - I'm looking at it now and I just don'tseem to be able to find the Gnome - he must have got a bad copy or something.
And BTW, I no longer post at the WotC forums - at least not like I used to. Down from 15 posts a day to 3 a week... and dropping. 
Why? Because I feel my VERY negative attitude is innapropriate for those forums (they are ALL 4e now), and I think that the folks who are new to FR deserve a chance to fall in love with it, just as I did all those years ago.. without a jerk like me putting it down all the time.
I remain here because I still love FR, and CK is officially edition-neutral, unlike WotC's forums which is geared primarily for the newcomers now. Here, I can still contribute, there, all I can do is stir up trouble, which should never be anyone's goal on an Internet forum. Hence my 'sef-banning' do to my bad attitude.
And to steer this back on topic, those Gnomes might have also gotten to Lantan, although I really don't picture them being 'Tinker Gnomes', hence my suggestion that they went to live in the Mountains of Songfarla.
Another interesting thing would be to see if Brian can somehow cover the Blingdenstone's Gnome's final fate in an upcoming DDi article - that would be really cool. I would really appreciate anything the designers could provide us to finish up the many story lines that were left unfinished when the timeline got shifted forward. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 29 May 2008 : 23:18:10
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 01:01:27
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HERE
Look in the Mountains along the left-hand edge of the map - the lettering is light brown. You can make it larger by clicking on it, and you can also download it.
I have a newer version of that map, with a lot of corrections - when I finally get home I'll have to put that one up. In the meantime, the location for Songfarla should be fairly accurate. |
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The Sage
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Bakra
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 11:55:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha
Conversely, why wouldn't they? Not to us, to George when he asked. At the very least it shows a lack of interest/bordering disrespect, since one sentence isn't exactly hard to write. Something as simple as, "We wanted to shake up that area's status quo," or "I could never pronounce the name of the city, so it had to go," or "We wanted some deep gnomes near the surface so they could be PC's," or even, "That's NDA at the moment," would all have been explanations that would take seconds to write.
That they said nothing at all, taken in isolation, means little. Taken with all the other travesties that have been perpetrated upon the Realms since the 3e switch-over, it shows the emergence earlier than I had realized of the "[lack of] 3e design mentality."
First as George noted above, he is a freelancer. They don’t have to respond to him unless it is about something he has been contracted to do for them. I’m more inclined to believe the WotC employees respect their freelancers and customers.
Second, I know this annoys most people but sometimes the only answer companies can give is *dramatic pause* silence. There is no such thing as a simple sentence response. A “NDA at the moment” could speaks volumes for most people who post here or people who like to take the response and go in the wrong direction with it. Case in point with the last part of my sentence,” We wanted to shake things up.” This simple sentence could blow up and can be used against them in all sorts of negative ways.
Third, they can’t give an answer in any form or fashion at all. This has nothing to do with lack of interest or being boarder line disrespectful. This is about job security.
Everyone needs to be reminded asking questions is a privilege. Getting answers isn’t.
Fourth they don’t want to answer, to go through all of the red tape (lawyers, chain of command) because they have done it before and got burned for it or one of their fellow employees has gotten burned at the stake. Public ridicule stinks; especially when the person has taken time out to answer the question. “Designer So-So must be stopped.” is a good example of public ridicule for answering questions.
Any freelancer or game writer reading this and wants to correct me about those four things; please do so. You are not going to hurt my feelings.
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Bakra
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 12:28:36
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Originally posted by Markustay
Another interesting thing would be to see if Brian can somehow cover the Blingdenstone's Gnome's final fate in an upcoming DDi article - that would be really cool. I would really appreciate anything the designers could provide us to finish up the many story lines that were left unfinished when the timeline got shifted forward.
Answered most of this in private mail. I would like to agree with this last paragraph since there is interest. This would be a good article on DDI.
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 16:07:43
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Ah, no wonder I missed it. I've heard it mentioned in passing, but I don't think I've ever read anything on it (or if I did, it completely failed to stick with me). Where should I look to learn more?
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BEAST
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 17:03:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
So the city WAS attacked by Triel's Menzo, and not Yvonne's?
Then I was remembering it wrong... sorry.
Right. As has been stated above, in SOD Menzo is said to actually have had a reason for keeping its gnomish neighbor city around. Yvonnel never wanted to be rid of her traditional enemy.
She wanted to march directly on the more distant Mithral Hall to fulfill her legacy against the dwarves in the short amount of time that she felt she had remaining to live. I suppose the dwarf domain presented an even juicier target than the gnome one. More likely, she had never gotten over her personal obsession with the dwarf fortress.
But Uthegental decided to drop in on the town without really having been given permission. His force was supposed to march past Bling enroute to Mithral Hall, but he decided that he wanted a fight ahead of the fight. To his chagrin, the city was already vacated.
So apparently it fell on the befuddled Triel to stick it to the gnomes. She may have ordered the hit in order to feign confidence and strength as a new leader. But my best guess, from the way she is described as having been so unsure of herself in "WOTSQ" (which supposedly takes place after this particular fight), she probably was manipulated by others into signing off on the assault on Bling.
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The only thing you failed to mention was Und, which I believe states that several Drow houses are vying for control of the city, which invalidates the part about Belwar's group.
How so? The new residents of Bling may very well have indeed kept Belwar at bay, or even scattered his small force. They certainly appear to have chased off Burrow Warden Krieger's group alright. Belwar's group may not have been so willing to simply run away--a second time. They may have fought to the death. Or they may still be regrouping in the area around the city.
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 17:07:46
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Ah, no wonder I missed it. I've heard it mentioned in passing, but I don't think I've ever read anything on it (or if I did, it completely failed to stick with me). Where should I look to learn more?
The Hidden Kingdom of Songfarla is mentioned in "Garl Glittergold's" entry in Demihuman Deities. Also check out DRAGON #349's 'Hordelands' article for more info. And the PDF web enhancement for the article:- http://paizo.com/dragonissues/349/DR349_Supplement.pdf |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 18:33:13
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| Thanks, Sage. Looks like I have some reading to do. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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