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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 09 Nov 2012 : 12:03:31
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| My FR conversion was that the Runelords were from Ostoria, I've seen others replace Thassilon with Netheril. Now looking back I wouldn't place Varisia on the Sword Coast, but to the Utter East. Karzoug or Xin could be Ambuchar Devayam-Tan Chin. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 17 Nov 2012 : 20:01:13
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As I started reading the Inner Sea Guide I got at Gencon, I was blown away. I thought, this is FR done right! You can clearly see all the nods to the Realms (and dozens of other tropes). I was planning my next campaign, and it was going to be set there, not FR. But now that I am halfway through the book, it's starting to get a little redundant. A nation set-up as a borderland between good and evil... Cool! Hey, another just like that! Thats nice. A barbarian nation... with a group (Black Ravens) that guard the border against a 'monolithic evil'... hmmmm... okay... I guess...
So it went from "this is the coolest setting ever" to "what piece of some other setting/novel are they going to borrow and paste in next?" It needs to be smaller - so many things could have been combined.
Which is where I stand now. I had moved away from my 'Misbegotten Realms' map because I had decided to run Golarion. Now I am leaning back toward FR... but neither makes me 100% happy. Ergo, I am back to building my own amalgam world, but now instead of just changing parts of FR I like into something that makes more sense, I will be adding-in all the things I liked about Golarion. My homebrew world had a 'monolithic religious empire', and Cheliax is a great base for something like that. I can take my ideas and marry it to some of theirs. Thats the one big thing FR is really missing - an empire. Sure, we had Mulhorand and what-not, but they are all too far off-stage, and I wanted something a bit more... European... in flavor.
I am tired of a 'kitchen sink' settings, and Golarion may have taken that to a new level (I didn't think The Realms could be topped in that dept.) I am going to take the best parts of everything and make my own setting. The 'one size fits all' approach no longer fits me. I am not saying Golarion isn't great, I just think they went overboard with wanting to appeal to every type of fantasy RPG gamer. Every flavor is there, and its a bit overwhelming.
On the other hand, the art is top-notch, and the layout of the book is insanely superb. I just wish they hadn't gone so generic with the setting itself.
@Quale - for the longest time you were trying to tell me (mostly in the Fey thread) that a lot of my ideas sounded just like Golarion/Pathfinder, and now I am smacking myself in the head for not looking deeper into it sooner. Some of the most basic concepts of that setting sound just like stuff I had thought about as well. And their take on gnomes is friggin' awesome - I never liked gnomes before. Now I can't wait to use them. Its like they managed to accomplish what the 4e guys tried and couldn't. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 10:26:14
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| Now that I'm no longer the DM, it does not matter personally. But before my ideal setting was also an amalgam. FR was the base, cause I think it has the best geography/map (with some adjustments), and then any other concept that I like from Golarion or anywhere else could be adapted to a suitable place in FR. So agreed, in an amalgam world I prefer Golarion gnomes, tough I also like their tinkering aspect. On the other hand elves are not that special (except for Sovyrian), I'd rather have elves from Birthright. Also agree that for theocratic oppression you need an empire, 3e Zhents are not enough. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 18:07:47
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They copied the Zhents with the nation of Druma, but took it to a cool, logical place. No mustache-twirlers there - they are sophisticated group of merchant/power-brokers who are planning world domination through financial takeover. And they point to a created neo-religion (more like a philosophy) to justify all their actions. Thats my take on the Zhents from now on - its very well done.
In fact, it seems they taken a lot of the core FR nuggets and turned them into something better, but not always. I agree with you on the Elves. The art for them is amazing - they look like how I imagine a race descended from fey should look - and yet, their background is very lackluster. What a shame.
Thoughts on Irrisen: Some of the folks who designed Golarion from the beginning were privy to some of Ed's Realms notes that we fans never saw. I have to wonder if Rashemen and/or Aglarond were supposed to have more of a connection to Rus lore and Baba Yaga (and Elaine used Baba Yaga in her Liriel series, and she also has access to 'Eds head'). I am starting to lean toward the idea that The Simbul may have been one of Baba Yaga's 'daughters' (because the Golarion lore seems to imply she sets up kingdoms for them on various worlds).
Some things I have to just wonder about - Nex and Geb seem very much like Mulhorand and Unther knock-offs, and instead of 'fixing them' they are just as off-stage and lackluster. Not sure why they even bothered. The Mana Wastes seemed interesting, but then they used it to shoe-horn guns into Pathfinder... and did it in the same exact poor manner FR did. "They're rare, and maybe not even there" - they stuck them off into a corner where DMs could choose to use them or ignore them. problem is - just like in FR - thats not going to make either camp very happy. So while I feel they got quite few things right, it also seems like they just made the same mistakes all over again.
I do love how they handled the 'offstage' foreigners - gave them little places of their own within the campaign area. That was clever, and appears to be what the WotC guys tried to copy in 4e (I have to wonder about how many 4e changes were made as a reaction to Golarion). They brought in those other flavors without having to bring in those other continents. Kudos!
The monsters are 'hit & miss' for me, but thats been true of them since the beginning of D&D. Some I think "freakin' awesome!", and others I am like, "what were they thinking?" Like I said, thats just D&D as usual. Their pantheon fascinates me - they do not try to separate the regional deities into separate pantheons, which I really like. Each nation/region has their own unique clustering chosen from the greater 'buffet' of gods. To me, that seems a lot ore organic. Still, its probably my favorite (single-book) world-guide to date. The only other that comes close is the Iron Kingdoms one, and the style was very similar (I love that the racial groupings are right in the front - GH did that as well). |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 18:41:52
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| The reason we've not seen more of Nex and Geb is that they're Erik Mona's part of the world (especially Nex), and he's (unfortunately) too busy being the Publisher at Paizo to do much writing for the setting. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 18:54:19
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Originally posted by Markustay
They copied the Zhents with the nation of Druma, but took it to a cool, logical place. No mustache-twirlers there - they are sophisticated group of merchant/power-brokers who are planning world domination through financial takeover. And they point to a created neo-religion (more like a philosophy) to justify all their actions. Thats my take on the Zhents from now on - its very well done.
In fact, it seems they taken a lot of the core FR nuggets and turned them into something better, but not always. I agree with you on the Elves. The art for them is amazing - they look like how I imagine a race descended from fey should look - and yet, their background is very lackluster. What a shame.
Thoughts on Irrisen: Some of the folks who designed Golarion from the beginning were privy to some of Ed's Realms notes that we fans never saw. I have to wonder if Rashemen and/or Aglarond were supposed to have more of a connection to Rus lore and Baba Yaga (and Elaine used Baba Yaga in her Liriel series, and she also has access to 'Eds head'). I am starting to lean toward the idea that The Simbul may have been one of Baba Yaga's 'daughters' (because the Golarion lore seems to imply she sets up kingdoms for them on various worlds).
Some things I have to just wonder about - Nex and Geb seem very much like Mulhorand and Unther knock-offs, and instead of 'fixing them' they are just as off-stage and lackluster. Not sure why they even bothered. The Mana Wastes seemed interesting, but then they used it to shoe-horn guns into Pathfinder... and did it in the same exact poor manner FR did. "They're rare, and maybe not even there" - they stuck them off into a corner where DMs could choose to use them or ignore them. problem is - just like in FR - thats not going to make either camp very happy. So while I feel they got quite few things right, it also seems like they just made the same mistakes all over again.
I do love how they handled the 'offstage' foreigners - gave them little places of their own within the campaign area. That was clever, and appears to be what the WotC guys tried to copy in 4e (I have to wonder about how many 4e changes were made as a reaction to Golarion). They brought in those other flavors without having to bring in those other continents. Kudos!
The monsters are 'hit & miss' for me, but thats been true of them since the beginning of D&D. Some I think "freakin' awesome!", and others I am like, "what were they thinking?" Like I said, thats just D&D as usual. Their pantheon fascinates me - they do not try to separate the regional deities into separate pantheons, which I really like. Each nation/region has their own unique clustering chosen from the greater 'buffet' of gods. To me, that seems a lot ore organic. Still, its probably my favorite (single-book) world-guide to date. The only other that comes close is the Iron Kingdoms one, and the style was very similar (I love that the racial groupings are right in the front - GH did that as well).
I'm wondering why you'd consider the Druma to be copied from Zhentil Keep... Beyond an interest in trade, I don't see any similarities.
Ditto for Geb and Nex.
I've read a lot of the Golarion material, and I don't really see that any of it was copied from the Realms. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 22:13:05
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A long-ago fallen empire of flying cities doesn't sound like FR?
I feel about Golarion and FR the same way I feel about Eberron and Iron Kingdoms. Iron Kingdoms started off as a psuedo-setting in the Witchfire trilogy. The two settings look like two different 'projections' forward of that original material. one done by the owning company (because IK IS based on Witchfire), and Eberron, which was how another guy ran with the material. I once did a point-by-point list of things the two had in common - it was almost 40 entries long. Basically, I described a setting in some detail, and the description I gave could have been used for both. I had that posted at Coolminiornot a long time ago, but now I can't find it.
The same goes for FR and Golarion, IMO. Its like someone took those notes Ed sent to TSR all those years ago and absconded with a pile of them, and then built their own setting based on them. So just like how the published Realms is based on Ed's ideas, so seems Golarion. the flavor is nearly identical (very generic/kitchen sink). I actually get the idea that some of FR's 'deeper secrets' wound up in Golarion, and now we will never know who thought of them first (Abolethic Sovereignty?)
And when you add in much of the 4e lore the similarities just get so much worse. They not only have 'Mana Wastes', but they actually have a region called the Spellscar Desert! The whole world is supposed to have just recovered from a 'major magical RSE' a century ago.
Then we have places like Lastwall (Winterfell) and Mendlev (Gondor), which are not only redundant with each other, but also derivations. And they copied Fire & Ice twice! We also have the 'Black Ravens' in the Linnorm Kings lands who hold the border against the Irrisen Baba Yaga folk. In Fire & Ice the guys who hold the wall have black cloaks, are said to 'wear the black', and are derogatorily referred to as 'crows'. Black Crows = Black Ravens. Usaro is basically 'Gorilla City', and Ruthazek is cross between Kong and Grodd. You even have a sprinkling of Warhammer in a couple of places (like the Tomb Kings, and some of demonic lore is very familiar).
I'm not saying it isn't an excellent D&D setting, I am just saying I am not seeing much originality there. It is a very well done mish-mosh of dozens of fantasy tropes and borrowed concepts.
Read the Druma entry again - bad things happen to people who don't always go along with their 'trade deals'. Just because they have a bit of middle-eastern flair don't think they aren't Zhents. Their 'mercenary legions' even wear black uniforms! The whole thing just screams 'Zhentarrim' to me. All they did was paste Sembia's look over Zhentil keep's personality. They want to rule the world by putting a stranglehold on trade. They aren't the published Zhents - they are what the Zhents should have been (without all the Harper novels turning them into the 'keystone Cops'). |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Nov 2012 : 04:35:24
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A long-ago fallen empire of flying cities doesn't sound like FR?
Not really. Fantasy is full of things being uprooted and born aloft, when they're normally stuck on the ground.
Besides, the Shory didn't have nearly as many cities, and they weren't brought down by hubris (one was, in fact, brought down by the terrasque!). I believe it's also been hinted that one of them is still aloft but quite well-hidden.
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Originally posted by Markustay
And when you add in much of the 4e lore the similarities just get so much worse. They not only have 'Mana Wastes', but they actually have a region called the Spellscar Desert! The whole world is supposed to have just recovered from a 'major magical RSE' a century ago.
And Krynn, which was published before the Realms, had a Cataclysm in print before the first RSE ever happened. So why aren't you making the comparison to that?
Or to the Invoked Devestation and the Rain of Colorless Fire?
Setting-wide big booms are not something only the Realms has experienced. Like flying cities, it's a fantasy trope.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Then we have places like Lastwall (Winterfell) and Mendlev (Gondor), which are not only redundant with each other, but also derivations. And they copied Fire & Ice twice! We also have the 'Black Ravens' in the Linnorm Kings lands who hold the border against the Irrisen Baba Yaga folk. In Fire & Ice the guys who hold the wall have black cloaks, are said to 'wear the black', and are derogatorily referred to as 'crows'. Black Crows = Black Ravens. Usaro is basically 'Gorilla City', and Ruthazek is cross between Kong and Grodd. You even have a sprinkling of Warhammer in a couple of places (like the Tomb Kings, and some of demonic lore is very familiar).
Again, all tropes, and some of them go back much further than D&D.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'm not saying it isn't an excellent D&D setting, I am just saying I am not seeing much originality there. It is a very well done mish-mosh of dozens of fantasy tropes and borrowed concepts.
The fact that these are tropes shows just how widely used they are. I don't see that this unoriginality is any more or any less than any other setting, since these tropes are so widely used.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Read the Druma entry again - bad things happen to people who don't always go along with their 'trade deals'. Just because they have a bit of middle-eastern flair don't think they aren't Zhents. Their 'mercenary legions' even wear black uniforms! The whole thing just screams 'Zhentarrim' to me. All they did was paste Sembia's look over Zhentil keep's personality. They want to rule the world by putting a stranglehold on trade. They aren't the published Zhents - they are what the Zhents should have been (without all the Harper novels turning them into the 'keystone Cops').
I just did. I didn't see anything about bad things happening to people that don't agree to their deals. And other than wanting to control the world thru trade, I don't see anything even remotely sinister about them. I'd say they're more like Sembia, with the profit-for-profit's-sake attitude -- but even then, with making a profit being practically a religion, it's not even close to the same.
And wearing black? Is that seriously going to be the basis for a comparison? Might as well compare the Zhents to the Great Ones of Kelewan, then, or those manning the Wall in Fire & Ice, or to ninja, or to the late Johnny Cash. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 19 Nov 2012 : 05:33:17
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Johnny Cash was definitely a Zhent. Although after he did Ring of Fire, he may have had some leanings toward Thay (and the church of Kossuth).
Well, I know as I read through the campaign guide, my mind immediately jumps to very similar FR groups and nations (or things from other settings). Maybe its just me. Maybe I have read so much that NOTHING seems original anymore.
I fell in love with the setting, and now not so much. I guess it was one of those 'whirlwind romances'. I'll just go back to the Inner Sea and the Lake of Mists and the River kingdoms... oh wait... which setting was I talking about again? {smirk} |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Nov 2012 : 11:58:18
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Druma, I think the most similar is Amn, looks like a philosophy that could develop in their society among the nobles and Waukeen's clergy. Their clothing style appears Middle Eastern, Sembia is closer to Renaissance Italy.
Golarion's made from several homebrew D&D worlds, obviously there should be similarities. Not all FR, for example philosophies, the Whispering Way is like Eberron's Blood of Vol (few know about the death cult from Bhaluin), and the Green Faith is the Old Faith from Greyhawk. Diabolism seems unique enough. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 20:28:37
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It was really the mercenary armies that cinch the Zhent connection for me - thats what the Zhents became in 4e (although this might be a case of Chicken vs Egg). A trade powerhouse with the 'bully boys' to back them up.
And like I said, I still think its one of the best D&D settings I've seen, and the Campaign Guide is a masterpiece. I just can't help seeing all the similarities to so many other, earlier D&D settings (and well-known novel settings). Nothing wrong with that, I just think they may have gone a bit overboard with trying to include every flavor possible.
As for Geb and Nex, now I am starting to see bit of Raumatahr/Narfel in there (except the war didn't end in a 'Great Confalgration', it just sorta petered-out when Nex disappeared). I hadn't read the Nex entry yet when I posted the last time (I am reading one entry a night).
My biggest gripe is that the 'big bads' should have been collapsed into one or two areas. Seriously, Last wall and Mendev are just way too much alike. And all the 'fiendish countries' could have been rolled into Cheliax - I didn't see a need for multiple countries like that - it could have all been flavors within one very large empire. Condensing the material seems to way to go, IMHO.
Still awesome, though, regardless. I wouldn't be me if I didn't find some fault with it. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 06:29:03
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Since it hasn't been mentioned yet: new Pathfinder Tales novel announced - The Wizard's Mask by one Ed Greenwood.
"In the war-torn lands of Molthune and Nirmathas, where rebels fight an endless war of secession against an oppressive military government, the constant fighting can make for strange alliances. Such is the case for the man known only as the Masked, the victim of a magical curse that forces him to hide his face, and an escaped halfling slave woman named Tantaerra. Thrown together by chance, the two fugitives find themselves conscripted by both sides of the conflict and forced to search for a magical artifact that could help shift the balance of power and end the bloodshed for good. But in order to survive, the thieves will first need to learn to the one thing none of their adventures have taught them: how to trust each other." |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 15:34:21
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| Quite exciting! I heard it from Ed in an interview that he had an upcoming Pathfinder Tales novel. But he did not disclose the title or suspected release date. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 16:26:41
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Only a few days left for the Pathfinder Online Kickstarter.
I am shelling-out for this today - if you have any interest in Golarion/Pathfinder you should definitely do this. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 03:28:05
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| Not looking good for the Kickstarter...not good at all. |
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 03:51:48
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| Unfortunately, I do not have $105 to spend on it ($5 for one of the small things + $100 for the print bundle). Actually, as of right now I do not even have $5 to spend on it. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 04:26:48
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Not looking good for the Kickstarter...not good at all.
I want to get in on it, but I can't spare a lot... And even if it did get funded, my time is so limited, I don't know when I'd get to play.  |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 04:34:50
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They really should have lowered the bar on what they were after on this...
Also, having another Kickstarter so soon after the first one may have cut into this particular one. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 11 Jan 2013 : 17:08:36
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| As already has been suspected, this year's June volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path will bring the PCs to Earth, to Russia in 1918 in order to rescue Baba Yaga from her wayward son Rasputin. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 11 Jan 2013 : 18:56:17
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Will that mean she'll be returning to Rashemen any time soon? (you know... her home did a cameo in the Liriel series).
On the other hand, this would be a great way to cross-over some characters. They find her hut (in FR) and go inside, and at that moment Baba Yaga is freed (from Rasputin? REALLY?  ) and she summons her house to her. Now the PCs can get out in Gothic Earth, or they can hide until she gets to her next destination (Golarion?) 
Two questions: Why has Ravenloft never bothered to 'capture' her? She really fits the theme. The other - when she is she going to forgo those silly chicken-legs and strap a Spelljammer Helm on that hut of hers... BABA YAGAAAAAAA... IN SPAAAAAAAACE!!! 
As for the kickstarter - yeah, its not looking good - I think they overshot the mark because they got all that cash the last time. Ah well, they were due for some humility. I just did the $35 thing - it was cheap enough for all you get. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 14 Jan 2013 : 18:33:49
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Only seven hours left for the Pathfinder Online Kickstarter.
C'mon guys, pretend its 1912 and your crossing the Atlantic. You just noticed there really aren't enough lifeboats. You feel secure, but you have some nagging doubts at the back of your mind. Then some guy named Erik Mona offers to sell you an inflatable life-raft (decades before they are invented!)
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 14 Jan 2013 : 19:25:57
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Six hours to go, and 40.000$ missing. Since in the last two hours they collected about 43.000$, they will probably make it ...
Edit: Wow, another 1500$ while I wrote this post ... |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 14 Jan 2013 : 21:03:17
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Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 14:37:39
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They were so close - I have a feeling that 'the powers that be' (company folk from both companies) pumped it up toward the end.
I know I'd hate to be within 90% of a million dollars and then loose it all (so it would be worth it for the Frog guys and Paizo guys to dump some of their own money in, just to get at all that money that wasn't Theirs).
Irregardless, I am very happy this made it. Competition is good for all of us (else, we'd probably still be being fed 4e for a couple of more years). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 16:29:37
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| But then we would have seen a few people contributing large amounts of money. But in the last days, we saw many people (many hundreds in fact) contributing relatively tiny sums. This was discussed on Paizo's forums, too, and it was pointed out that it is against the Kickstarter rules that members of the company starting the Kickstarter support it. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 17:03:00
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| A similar pattern emerged with the World of Steam kickstarter. I think is just a bunch of people who are hoping that they can wait for the retail release and pick it up for a retail cost then, but realize that they might not see it at all if they do not pitch in at the kickstarter level. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36966 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 17:12:10
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| The Larry Elmore artbook Kickstarter also had an abrupt jump in the last few hours. I think some people tend to not get in until close to the end, either waiting for more stuff to be offered, or because they want to see whether or not the project is going to be funded. It's also possible that the increase in backers was due to the word spreading more widely as the clock counted down. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 17:59:31
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You mean jerks who pose two links to the kickstarter in the same forum (and same thread!) - a forum which really has nothing to do with that world at all?
Because I hate guys like that. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 19:38:28
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As tracked by Kicktraq [http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo/#chart-daily], that's the gist of it. If the project was popular or close to funding, there is usually an surge in pledges during the last hours.
If the project was close, it will usually make goal towards the end, provided it has a following large enough, but as yet uncommitted (or less committed). The 11th hour mentality gives everyone impetus to chip in. If the project already made it and the stretch goals are enticing enough, well, that's when we get crazy numbers. You see prime examples of that with the top Kickstarters in the gaming category.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2013 : 01:53:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Larry Elmore artbook Kickstarter also had an abrupt jump in the last few hours. I think some people tend to not get in until close to the end, either waiting for more stuff to be offered, or because they want to see whether or not the project is going to be funded. It's also possible that the increase in backers was due to the word spreading more widely as the clock counted down.
It's also possible that they're people like me who need extra time to juggle their financials around in order to support it.  |
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