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SeeDiGi
Acolyte
Bermuda
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 04:51:37
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 14:18:48
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I am really, really starting to like "Dragons Revisited". Maybe they will do a "Dragons Re-Revisited" someday! Kinda like "Garage Days Revisited". 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 15:53:05
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Paizo continues to amaze and please - their 'handling' of their customers is superb. I haven't seen a more dedictaed fanbase since...... us.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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houstonderek
Acolyte
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2009 : 14:02:47
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| Yeah, Paizo does customer service quite well. The level of personal attention the crew there gives people on the forums is pretty amazing, actually. I think the spirit of the old ways lives there, even if their products are tied to the newer methods. I look at them as the spiritual successors of D&D, even if they aren't the legal successors... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2009 : 14:22:36
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Dragons Revisited is going in my Realms, its that good. 
The Zhentarim will be a Cabal of Blue Dragon Masterminds, seeking to recreate the Dragon Empires of old. Manshoon will be the Leader of the Blue's. 
Paizo does know what gamers want.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Marc
Senior Scribe
662 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 18:15:52
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| I love the Pathfinder 19 adventure (usually think the official adventures are a waste space). Never been a fan of dragons (or dungeons, it's weird), we'll see about dragons revisited, maybe it changes my view on them. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 21:54:50
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My FLGS finally received my copies of 'Guide to Absalom' and 'Into the Darklands' (they don't stock Paizo's stuff), and I *love* them! Written with the same kind of attention and love to detail that made me fall in love with FR, and emphasis on "fluff" over "crunch", I can heartily recommend both to any FR DMs. Just as you can use 'Gods and Magic' in your FR, 'Into the Darklands' would work really well with Underdark.
I'm still waiting for my copies of 'Legacy of Fire' modules, 'Dragons Revisited' and 'Dark Markets - Katapesh'.
Oh, and I can't recommend Pathfinder Wiki enough -- in time, it will be a fantastic source on all Golarion stuff, and even now there're a lot of good articles in it on a number of subjects. |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 21:59:42
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Brimstone
New Golarionlore is out! Just downloaded Pathfinder #19 and #20. Great Shorts by Elaine.
Glad you liked the fiction, Brimstone!
I just wanted to point out, though, that the fiction in Pathfinder #19 and #20 are not short stories, per se, but episodes in "Dark Tapestry," a six-part novella. Each episode is fairly self-contained, but there's an overall story.
I'm also pretty excited about your novellas in 'Legacy of Fire', and I just can't wait for my copies to arrive! It's great that you're writing for Paizo... I hope you'll get to write more Golarion fiction in the future!  |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 22:21:26
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Now if only Paizo would start producing Golarion Novels.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 22:27:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
Now if only Paizo would start producing Golarion Novels.
BRIMSTONE
I guess we have to convince Lisa and Erik that a Golarion novel written by Elaine would a good idea! |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 22:35:12
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Right!
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2009 : 04:08:26
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Now if only Paizo would start producing Golarion Novels.
Paizo plans to start a novel line in the near future. That's all I know at present. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2009 : 04:22:35
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Exellent! In best Bill and Ted voice.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 03:25:55
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In all respect to writers that i respect greatly. Elain being on my list. I do hope that Golarion doesn't become a novel driver campaign world like FR has become.
I appreciate novels that depict local stories that do not shape the world in general. I do hope that gents and ladies at Paizo do not fall in the pattern that collapsed the FR for me.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
211 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 04:22:18
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Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels. |
--- Ed Appel
*** I'm a brazilian FR fan. So, feel free to correct my writing mistakes to improve my english. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 04:59:01
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Originally posted by edappel
Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels.
The problem becomes what we were seeing in the latter days of 3E: stories couldn't be told unless they were somehow epic and had a huge, dramatic impact. No one could tell a smaller story, as they did in the early days.
Novels are a great way to get more information -- but they don't have to blow up everything to convey that info. Look at Elaine's Songs & Swords series. We learned a lot about Waterdeep and Tethyr thru those books -- and the only things blown up were a single assassin's stronghold and a dragon's mouth. Her books are widely considered some of the best in the Realms, and yet she never fell into the "gotta be bigger than the last!" trap. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 20 Apr 2009 05:01:19 |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 13:59:27
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We dont have to worry about Paizo blowing the setting up for the next edition of The Pathfinder RPG.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 17:22:47
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Originally posted by edappel
Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels.
I think you kinda missed the point--some people don't like "hard changes" at all, and think Paizo should steer clear of them. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 17:31:11
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Originally posted by edappel
Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels.
Because ideally a role-playing world should be driven by the game and not the fiction. Novels increase the need for "canon" and that is (in my opinion)not an advantage when talking about a role-playing setting. And I disagree, a couple of pages in a game book would generally give more information than a whole novel. The novel might give some details and colour the information, but the setting books are still the most lore effective. In many of the cases the game books are needed to get a better handle on the events in the novel in my opinion. The Time of Trouble is a good example of this and I don't exactly feel confused about the changes done since I stopped reading the novels.
I am a bit curious about the world but, in addition to the fact that I dislike the non-TSR editions, a novel line would kill it for me. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 17:46:53
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My point would be that. I don't want novels to introduce hard change.
These kind of major modifications should be introduced by the DM, not the company that produce it. At least that is what i prefer from a commercial campaign setting. I say give me all the details about a setting, its past, its history, its economy, its religion, its politics, its feel, its geography, up to a certain point. From that point, let me decide the events that shape it.
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Originally posted by edappel
Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels.
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 21:28:52
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See, I like having my setting change. And I think novels are the best way to effect the change, because reading about everything as it happens gives more information and a greater connection to the event. Changes that aren't explained in novels often lead to more questions, and people don't feel as connected to the event.
For example, we know how Bane died. That was in a novel. His apparent resurrection was in a sourcebook -- and people want more info about it. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 23:12:55
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Aye, moving forward with canon through novels is fine. Just not blowing up the land every year.
Agreed -- very much so! |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 00:54:34
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Yes... sorry that i wasn't clear. I appreciate novels within a small scope. I was a fan of the ol Harpers series for that. I didn't no novels at all. Just stories about people and life ... not necessarily stories that changesthe world.
I think we're on the same page on that front :)
But i dont like them killing off deities. That's my job.
:)
Pat
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
See, I like having my setting change. And I think novels are the best way to effect the change, because reading about everything as it happens gives more information and a greater connection to the event. Changes that aren't explained in novels often lead to more questions, and people don't feel as connected to the event.
For example, we know how Bane died. That was in a novel. His apparent resurrection was in a sourcebook -- and people want more info about it.
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 02:01:50
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by edappel
Why shouldn't a novel be a driver campaign???
How can you understand the complexity of a hard change (as Time of Troubles or even Spellplague) without novels? Even FR 2nd edition didn't give so much informations as novels.
I think you kinda missed the point--some people don't like "hard changes" at all, and think Paizo should steer clear of them.
I think that's exactly what they've said about the upcoming novels set in Golarion... |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 16:57:22
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Aye, moving forward with canon through novels is fine. Just not blowing up the land every year.
Egg-zackly! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 18:27:31
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Isn't it simply amazing when a company listens to what the fans want?
Its a beautiful thing. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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dalthan
Acolyte
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Posted - 22 Apr 2009 : 05:06:20
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Hello everyone. First post, and strangely not Realms related, but I wanted to thank you all for this thread.
After purchasing the new FRCS, I came here trying to fill the empty feeling I was getting from those products. I was hoping some fan Realms lore would do it, but instead I found Golarion.
And thank you, I've purchased the campaign setting, and it brings back the same excitement I felt with the old school boxed sets. Props go out to Paizo, they have my money now. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2009 : 06:07:42
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Originally posted by dalthan
Hello everyone. First post, and strangely not Realms related, but I wanted to thank you all for this thread.
After purchasing the new FRCS, I came here trying to fill the empty feeling I was getting from those products. I was hoping some fan Realms lore would do it, but instead I found Golarion.
And thank you, I've purchased the campaign setting, and it brings back the same excitement I felt with the old school boxed sets. Props go out to Paizo, they have my money now.
Cool. :) I know I haven't been this interested in a setting in a very long time. I'm just bummed that my comic guy is having problem with his distributer, so my books aren't coming in when I want them to. :( I'm a few months or so behind because of it. |
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