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Yoshi_Kong
Acolyte
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 Posted - 01 May 2008 : 23:12:46
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Drizzt and Elminster are going down sometime I know it. Tired of those two. The rest of Mystra's Chosen probably will die soon. Fzoul? Check. Why doesn't WOTC just kill them all off soon so we can get into the cool 4E and out of the stale boring 3E.
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Elminster would get pwned by Gromph. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 00:14:28
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Elminster and Drizzt are both still around in 4E.
I'm afraid you'll find yourself to be in a minority, if you think the Realms of 3E are stale and boring. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 00:51:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm afraid you'll find yourself to be in a minority, if you think the Realms of 3E are stale and boring.
Especially on this board. Although, I have the feeling he's being sarcastic. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 00:57:32
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Ed confirmed, in an interview with IGN, that Elminster will indeed be around in 4e:-
"IGN got to talk to Ed Greenwood, a conversation which revealed that Elminster is 'afraid to use his magic now, not only because of the effects of the Spell Plague, but also because he's absorbed the memories of a number of powerful beings who tend to take over his mind when he attempts to use magic.'" [src:- http://pc.ign.com/articles/855/855992p1.html]
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 01:02:15
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Originally posted by Yoshi_Kong
Drizzt and Elminster are going down sometime I know it. Tired of those two. The rest of Mystra's Chosen probably will die soon. Fzoul? Check. Why doesn't WOTC just kill them all off soon so we can get into the cool 4E and out of the stale boring 3E.
If you are bored with them all why do not you try another setting .. A setting with more new staff like Eberron??
In a fantasy world like Faerun you cannot kill and destroy things and persons and places so easily..Things that have made great number of fans and faithful followers .. Such acts shows arrogance or amateurishness.. |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
Edited by - BARDOBARBAROS on 02 May 2008 01:08:48 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 01:21:21
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
If you are bored with them all why do not you try another setting .. A setting with more new staff like Eberron??
In a fantasy world like Faerun you cannot kill and destroy things and persons and places so easily..Things that have made great number of fans and faithful followers .. Such acts shows arrogance or amateurishness..
To reiterate, I think this guy was just being really sarcastic.
Sardonic, even. |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 12:54:27
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
To reiterate, I think this guy was just being really sarcastic.
Sardonic, even.
ok. I understood this ..I just wrote my thoughts  |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 16:16:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
Ed confirmed, in an interview with IGN, that Elminster will indeed be around in 4e:-
"IGN got to talk to Ed Greenwood, a conversation which revealed that Elminster is 'afraid to use his magic now, not only because of the effects of the Spell Plague, but also because he's absorbed the memories of a number of powerful beings who tend to take over his mind when he attempts to use magic.'" [src:- http://pc.ign.com/articles/855/855992p1.html]
I've been passively looking for a link to that interview, thanks Sage.
In response to Yoshi's question, Halaster Blackcloak is also dead (and he did not even get a novel written about his death, it is just a note in Expedition to Undermountain). Also, in his blog and an interview, Chris Perkins has flat out stated that all or most of the Chosen of Mystra (except for El) are gone (though I have not seen further elaboration on this yet). |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 20:18:36
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Regarding the Chosen of Mystra: Mr. Perkins might have meant that in the most literal sense--there are no more "Chosen of Mystra"...because Mystra is now dead. However, that doesn't mean the the former Chosen of Mystra are all gone (Elminster is the prime example, as you mentioned).
That's how I read it. However, Mr. Perkins also said that fans of the Seven Sisters probably won't be too happy, so there is cause to believe things do not bode well for them. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 02 May 2008 20:21:14 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2008 : 00:59:38
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
In response to Yoshi's question, Halaster Blackcloak is also dead (and he did not even get a novel written about his death, it is just a note in Expedition to Undermountain).
And there's an entry in Grand History of the Realms. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2008 : 18:08:11
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Ao is next! He got mad at the creators of 4E and killed himself! the realms is screwed! oh, wait, that's not happened yet? oh, the Realms are screwd up, but it's not Ao's fault? ok.
By the way, I seriously hope you were being sarcastic... |
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Stonwulfe
Seeker
Canada
81 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2008 : 18:14:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Ed confirmed, in an interview with IGN, that Elminster will indeed be around in 4e:-
"IGN got to talk to Ed Greenwood, a conversation which revealed that Elminster is 'afraid to use his magic now, not only because of the effects of the Spell Plague, but also because he's absorbed the memories of a number of powerful beings who tend to take over his mind when he attempts to use magic.'"
That's freaking fantastic! The imp on my back is telling the DM in me to do all sorts of nasty things with that little tidbit. Wheeeeee!
Oh, and Sage... when quoting Schopenhauer remember that it was he who said, "All truth passes through three stages; it is ridiculed, it is violently opposed, and it is accepted as being self evident." Hopefully this does not turn out to be the case with the idea of 4e being a good thing. If it does, I think I'd prefer the lie. |
Edited by - Stonwulfe on 06 May 2008 18:36:51 |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2008 : 20:20:08
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Originally posted by Aravine
Ao is next! He got mad at the creators of 4E and killed himself! the realms is screwed! oh, wait, that's not happened yet? oh, the Realms are screwd up, but it's not Ao's fault? ok.
Per Rich, Ao is being ignored and effectively being written out of Realms-2008.
Ao was a clumsy personification of certain divine and cosmic rules and forces. So I'm happy to lose the character, but ignoring the checks on divine action he represents -- and which are evident throughout the pre-novel timeline -- is one of the biggest 4E retcons, though little commented on. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2008 : 20:44:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
In response to Yoshi's question, Halaster Blackcloak is also dead (and he did not even get a novel written about his death, it is just a note in Expedition to Undermountain).
And there's an entry in Grand History of the Realms.
Which IIRC, gives even less info on the circumstances of his death; but yes, Sage, you are correct. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 May 2008 : 01:19:41
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Originally posted by Stonwulfe
Oh, and Sage... when quoting Schopenhauer remember that it was he who said, "All truth passes through three stages; it is ridiculed, it is violently opposed, and it is accepted as being self evident." Hopefully this does not turn out to be the case with the idea of 4e being a good thing. If it does, I think I'd prefer the lie.
I prefer to think of truth as a three-edged sword:- your side, their side, and the truth itself! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2008 : 03:47:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Stonwulfe
Oh, and Sage... when quoting Schopenhauer remember that it was he who said, "All truth passes through three stages; it is ridiculed, it is violently opposed, and it is accepted as being self evident." Hopefully this does not turn out to be the case with the idea of 4e being a good thing. If it does, I think I'd prefer the lie.
I prefer to think of truth as a three-edged sword:- your side, their side, and the truth itself!
Still quoting B5? |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 May 2008 : 05:12:52
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[/quote]I prefer to think of truth as a three-edged sword:- your side, their side, and the truth itself!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2008 : 14:55:18
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Originally posted by Stonwulfe
Oh, and Sage... when quoting Schopenhauer remember that it was he who said, "All truth passes through three stages; it is ridiculed, it is violently opposed, and it is accepted as being self evident." Hopefully this does not turn out to be the case with the idea of 4e being a good thing. If it does, I think I'd prefer the lie.
Could you elaborate on the point you're trying to make, here? I'm a bit confused. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 07 May 2008 14:56:20 |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2008 : 01:13:48
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by The Sage
Ed confirmed, in an interview with IGN, that Elminster will indeed be around in 4e:-
"IGN got to talk to Ed Greenwood, a conversation which revealed that Elminster is 'afraid to use his magic now, not only because of the effects of the Spell Plague, but also because he's absorbed the memories of a number of powerful beings who tend to take over his mind when he attempts to use magic.'" [src:- http://pc.ign.com/articles/855/855992p1.html]
I've been passively looking for a link to that interview, thanks Sage.
In response to Yoshi's question, Halaster Blackcloak is also dead (and he did not even get a novel written about his death, it is just a note in Expedition to Undermountain). Also, in his blog and an interview, Chris Perkins has flat out stated that all or most of the Chosen of Mystra (except for El) are gone (though I have not seen further elaboration on this yet).
When and if that happens, I will call for my check and then run off without paying the bill! I will most likely check out of the setting. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 May 2008 : 19:27:11
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| Personally I think Elminster is a Noah's Ark waiting to be cracked open. I'm sure he's got just as many evil guys and he does good. Some of them, like Simbul, might enjoy being in Elminster's bodies. I can think of others who'd go out of their way to find a way out. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 14 May 2008 : 03:26:57
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Personally I think Elminster is a Noah's Ark waiting to be cracked open. I'm sure he's got just as many evil guys and he does good. Some of them, like Simbul, might enjoy being in Elminster's bodies. I can think of others who'd go out of their way to find a way out.
Heh.
Sorry, SirUrza, as I know this isn't what you meant....
But your comment re: El cracking open made me think of the 3E revival of Bane....and a potential way to bring back Mystra, if you chose to do so....  |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 14 May 2008 : 04:12:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Elminster and Drizzt are both still around in 4E.
I'm afraid you'll find yourself to be in a minority, if you think the Realms of 3E are stale and boring.
or that 4e is cool. You'll be in a serious minority with that one |
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Nevar
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 16 May 2008 : 06:51:03
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I'll never tire of any edition of FR. My very first post here at Candlekeep and I wanted it to be a good one. :)
I've been enjoying both the novels and the game since my first year of University back in '88 (Yes I'm somewhat old) I used to be one of the guys that snickered about "nerds playing elves and killing goblins in some game" until a new (and valuable) friend let me play my first barbarian who hacked and slashed his way into my heart! I'm looking forward to the 4e and I'll sure it'll rock like all the rest.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 12:51:59
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
I don’t know whey but I gave this thread a lot of thought. And the only one I could imagine is going to be killed is The Royal Magician Vagerdahast. Maybe he is already dead I don’t know but I haven seen anything that could show he is around in 4 ed.
There's no reason for him to be dead in 4E... He's now a member of a much longer lived race, and he's already out of the picture. There is no reason to kill him. Of course, reason seems absent in many aspects of the Sellplague, but still.... |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 16 May 2008 13:16:22 |
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ShadezofDis
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Posted - 16 May 2008 : 15:40:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's no reason for him to be dead in 4E... He's now a member of a much longer lived race, and he's already out of the picture. There is no reason to kill him. Of course, reason seems absent in many aspects of the Sellplague, but still....
Well, last I knew he was in stasis and since that's "powerful mortal magic" then the Spellplague should avoid it (make no mention of Halruaa! Unless it's to say "Shadez came up with a great idea to make Velsharoon more than a footnote" ) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:26:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's no reason for him to be dead in 4E...
Well, one possible reason: the designers would like to kill him off. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2008 : 16:42:51
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's no reason for him to be dead in 4E...
Well, one possible reason: the designers would like to kill him off.
That's why I went back and added that last line. There is no need to kill him off, as he's already been removed from play. But, as we've seen, the designers don't seem to need reasons for some changes. |
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So Azoun IV and Blackstaff are dead, who's next?
