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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 21:19:04
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We are not goint to move, but we ara going to try to stop the spell plague, and if we fail we "play" the spell plague...and hopefully something good comes from that... but no.. not moving
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Nemea of Nowhere
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 08:28:42
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I.. errr...
I think I'm the ONLY person on this thread who does like the idea...
Wow. And I had a whole plan of almost crushing the PC's beneath a falling Netherese/shade city, only to wake up and learn that the localized magic of an earth node preserved their immediate area...
But.. wow. Ok, scratch that idea, experiencing radically different Faeruns may have been odd, anyway...
I will say, however, that planar travel, suspension, spelljamming to alternate reality realms, and divine intervention have happened before, and that, while a little out of one's conception of "normal fantasy plausability" on a large scale... well... *cough* Temptation of Elminster *cough* |
Games are fun.
Arguing only leads to fun if I get to flambe the doubters. :P
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 04:39:22
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Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
I.. errr...
I think I'm the ONLY person on this thread who does like the idea...
Wow. And I had a whole plan of almost crushing the PC's beneath a falling Netherese/shade city, only to wake up and learn that the localized magic of an earth node preserved their immediate area...
But.. wow. Ok, scratch that idea, experiencing radically different Faeruns may have been odd, anyway...
don't let our bitching and moaning ruin your plans. Knock yourself out and drop that city my friend.
And enjoy Your Realms |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 05:31:54
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| I think that my plan is to keep everything up to the end of the GHotR cannon in my Realms (yes including the death of Mystra and the Spellplague). However, the havoc the Spellplague does upon the face of Toril will be much more minor (not sure exactly what I will do with that yet). I know that Azuth will wake up on the Astral plane to hear the voices of the people of Halruaa cry out in terror, and when he shields Halruaa from the Spellplague with his own body, he will absorb at least a bit of Mystra's essence and become the new god of Magic. Also, Selune will end up taking part of herself back from the fallen goddess and again become a greater deity (at least equal in power to Shar). And, instead of having Lloth kill Eilistraee, I will have them be the two opposing deities of the Drow pantheon (since Eilistraee's death is not mentioned in the GHotR). My timeline may very well end there and never advance. I am not sure at this time. |
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 00:19:18
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
don't let our bitching and moaning ruin your plans. Knock yourself out and drop that city my friend.
And enjoy Your Realms
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 01:25:37
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
don't let our bitching and moaning ruin your plans. Knock yourself out and drop that city my friend.
And enjoy Your Realms
Ditto. It's your game, do what you want with it!
Listen to her, she knows what she's talking about.  |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 15:05:19
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I think that my plan is to keep everything up to the end of the GHotR cannon in my Realms (yes including the death of Mystra and the Spellplague). However, the havoc the Spellplague does upon the face of Toril will be much more minor (not sure exactly what I will do with that yet). I know that Azuth will wake up on the Astral plane to hear the voices of the people of Halruaa cry out in terror, and when he shields Halruaa from the Spellplague with his own body, he will absorb at least a bit of Mystra's essence and become the new god of Magic. Also, Selune will end up taking part of herself back from the fallen goddess and again become a greater deity (at least equal in power to Shar). And, instead of having Lloth kill Eilistraee, I will have them be the two opposing deities of the Drow pantheon (since Eilistraee's death is not mentioned in the GHotR). My timeline may very well end there and never advance. I am not sure at this time.
These are very good points and ideas which I like much more than the officical canon, because it is more congruent with established canon lore. Especially the Selune/Shar part, but I like Azuth's fate, too. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 21:22:50
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 23:31:57
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Over at the WotC forums someone was looking for ways of using Atropus in FR - thats the 'evil moon' from the Elder Evils Tome.
Basically, Atropus is literally an 'evil moon' that is sentient, and it invades worlds by getting into orbit around them, and its 'negative aura' causes all kinds of badness, including the dead to rise from their graves.
So I though about it, and I came up with that Atropus is the physical embodiment of Shar, and Selune's opposite. It was in orbit around Toril's 'dark twin', Abeir, and when that world was 'banished', so was Shar's bad moon. Now that Abeir is back (at least parts of it), I figure Atropus is now secretly orbiting Toril as well (its black, so its hard to discern unless you know where to look).
Since the Shadowfel has both the Plane of Shadows and the Negatrive Energy Plane rolled into it, it makes some sense that the Goddess of Shadows now has a little something to do with necromantic magics (which were always strong for Shadowcasters).
So I've established that their are two moons in orbit around my FR, each controlled by a different primordial goddess, and each granting a different sort of Magic (Arcane from Selune, making her more like Hecate). Power levels for the different types of mages would vary with the waxing and waning of the two moons.
Just some musings of mine to bring some little bit of 4e lore into my 3e Realms - I may not like the 4e setting, but I'll still mine it for ideas.
EDIT: Apology to Mods - I was reading the above and forgot what the thread discussion was supposed to be about.  |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 11:13:22
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I can quite confidently say I'll NEVER run Forgotten Realms 4.0. For me, the Realms will always be at most 1375 DR. In fact, I won't even play a Spellplague-based FR.
I'm just finishing running a 3.5 campaign, and the next two FR campaigns I'll be playing in are 3.5 and AD&D respectively.
And I speak as someone who has all but 12 of the Published Forgotten Realms RPG products. Thank you WOTC for saving me money. I won't be purchasing any 4e stuff at all. |
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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
46 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 17:14:35
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| I'm going into the new realms with arms wide open. I'm sticking to canon (as I always have) so I'll incorporate all the new events, Spellplague. dead gods, the works . The only thing I won't do is time travel, in fact, I won't touch time travel with a 10 foot pole. My players will probably want to start fresh which suites me just fine. We haven't been able to get a campaign of the ground for a while now, so hopefully this radical change will get the juices flowing again. I might start a campaign during the final days of the old realms then have the PC's descendants picking up the pieces 100 years later. Perhaps clearing an ancestral keep or destroying a great great grandparent who became an undead monster in order to survive the Spellplague etc. |
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hedgeknight
Acolyte
USA
14 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 19:50:22
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Not a chance in...heck.
Keeping my game and future games in 3.5...just where my players and I like 'em to be.
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Amarel Derakanor
Seeker
97 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 23:04:02
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I reckon I'll stick to the good, old pre-$ellplague Realms... Wouldn't be much fun to lay waste to all those lovely NPC's (and PC's, for that matter)! A century will put most of them in their graves...
But for those that do want to make the jump (jump the shark, if you prefer), I guess trapping a bunch of PC's in a stasis field could be an option... |
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Seainna Mistwalker
Acolyte
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 04:39:56
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
The only reason I think that it might is because of Ed's extensive work on it, and to be honest, that is the only reason I am going to give it a chance.
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 14:25:28
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It highly unlikely I or the group I DM will switch. Short of the types of Deus Ex Machina above or starting fresh all our long established characters and the impact they've made gets lost in the turmoil.
That's never going to go down well with my players. Especially as what's kept us going for all these years is being able to see the impact the players have had. Not to mention the loss of some of our favourite NPCs, canon or otherwise....
King Dhelt and Queen Vaerana are long gone by 1475.
Captain Bartelar Mullinas, who once hijacked and joyrided a Halruaan Skyship, with the PCs in tow and later lead the counter-attack on Darkhold: Gone.
Wonderbringer and Grand Mage Basingby, inventor of: Basingby's Great Belch and the Hin-launcher: Gone.
The Yuan-ti tainted one spy ring, the Vampiric Night Masks of Westgate, changed to the point were they'll barely recall the long standing vendettas they had with my players. God alone knows what happed to Twilight Hall. Oy... |
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poilbrun
Acolyte
Belgium
17 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 16:47:21
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| I will pick up and read the FR Campaign Guide, but the most probable outcome is that I will play in the 3e Realms with 4e rules. I really like the ruleset, but I don't like the big jump in time and the changes in FR. I rather liked the idea that should the characters go somewhere I don't know in the realms, I could always find a book where a recent description of the place existed. There's what, about 20 years between the first Realms books and 1375? I only had to update it a bit to make it fit. A 100 year jump and the destruction and changes caused by the Spellplague means that it won't be possible anymore :-( |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2008 : 00:05:20
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To put it simply... No.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2008 : 18:26:47
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quote:
Originally posted by poilbrun
I will pick up and read the FR Campaign Guide, but the most probable outcome is that I will play in the 3e Realms with 4e rules. I really like the ruleset, but I don't like the big jump in time and the changes in FR. I rather liked the idea that should the characters go somewhere I don't know in the realms, I could always find a book where a recent description of the place existed. There's what, about 20 years between the first Realms books and 1375? I only had to update it a bit to make it fit. A 100 year jump and the destruction and changes caused by the Spellplague means that it won't be possible anymore :-(
If you are not sure that you will like it, then I suggest that you read the FRCG in a local book shop or gaming store if possible, or buy it used a bit after it is published. Then you will not be "voting with your wallet" for the 4e Realms. The only thing that we can really do to show WotC that we do or do not like the 4e Realms is by buying it or not. But I am not calling for a boycott, just for everyone to make an informed buying decision. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2008 : 20:23:10
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
But I am not calling for a boycott, just for everyone to make an informed buying decision.
Reads like a boycott to me.
But hey, what do I know?
I'm sure local gaming stores (who make tons of money, right?) will appreciate it when people poor over their wares in detail before putting them back on the shelf and saying, "Thanks for the read, but not interested....unless you have a used copy you want to sell me." |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
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Tasker Daze
Seeker
84 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2008 : 20:57:51
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
But I am not calling for a boycott, just for everyone to make an informed buying decision.
Reads like a boycott to me.
But hey, what do I know?
I'm sure local gaming stores (who make tons of money, right?) will appreciate it when people poor over their wares in detail before putting them back on the shelf and saying, "Thanks for the read, but not interested....unless you have a used copy you want to sell me."
Yeah, making an informed decision is totally the same thing as not buying at all.  |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2008 : 20:59:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
But I am not calling for a boycott, just for everyone to make an informed buying decision.
Reads like a boycott to me.
But hey, what do I know?
I would appreciate it if you would stop being hostile to people who do not feel favorable toward the the 4e Realms. I have been trying very hard to maintain civility with you, but you seem to revel in pushing buttons. Please don't.
I am not telling people to outright not buy the 4e FRCG, I am just asking the they make their decision from a informed position after actually viewing the final product. That is not a boycott. A boycott would be to just ask (or tell) everyone that they should not buy the 4e FRCG because I (or we, if there are multiple of us) do not like the changes made. Hell, even I, who admittedly do not like any of the changes that they have made public so far, am planning on giving the book a look-over to see if it is indeed something I do not want to buy. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 00:27:11
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| An informed decision =! a boycott. If he was calling for a boycott, he'd be asking people not to buy the book on principle. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Shottglazz
Acolyte
Canada
49 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:27:37
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| 3e Realms. Actually, we're starting a new campaign in the fall, which will start in 1359DR... |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 04:00:55
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| I call for a boycott. |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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kysus
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 09:00:51
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| My gaming group and I will not be dealing with any of the new 4e realms stuff. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 09:39:33
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I'm not going to convert to 4e yet, but who knows in a few years. It would be silly bringen the PCs a 100 years into the future, because some of the characters die of old age and maybe one or two would have died or gone mad because of the spellplague or the loss of their god.
Besides that, If my group decided to play 4e we would start at 1st level because converting high level multiclass characters would be impossible. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 18:09:33
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I also call for a boycott. I want WotC to fail miserably with 4E and sell the franchise with people who care about the setting and it's roots. You want a new world? Create one god darnit .... dont destroy an existing one where thousands of people developped a really strong bond with. It's disrespectful, uncivilised and mean.
So no, i won't bring my PCs in the 100 years jump, i won't consider the 100 year jump, and i pray that it brings the WotC dominance over the Realms to an end.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 02:37:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Patrakis
I also call for a boycott. I want WotC to fail miserably with 4E and sell the franchise with people who care about the setting and it's roots. You want a new world? Create one god darnit .... dont destroy an existing one where thousands of people developped a really strong bond with. It's disrespectful, uncivilised and mean.
So no, i won't bring my PCs in the 100 years jump, i won't consider the 100 year jump, and i pray that it brings the WotC dominance over the Realms to an end.
Pat
I would be OK with WoTC reversing themselves and retconning back to the 1380s |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 03:03:30
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Moderators? Hello?
quote:
Originally posted by Patrakis
It's disrespectful, uncivilised and mean.
I'd say any call for a boycott of WotC disrespectful, uncivilized and mean. Add irrational, too.
Calling for a boycott is the same as calling for the death of the Realms.
Again: Candlekeep should not be host to this kind of thing. It's wrong and it goes against the nature of this forum.
The people who are calling for it should be asked to leave for a short time and come back only after they can parse the Realms for what it is: A fictional setting for fantasy novels and roleplaying games.
This isn’t life and death, people. |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 03:34:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
Moderators? Hello?
quote:
Originally posted by Patrakis
It's disrespectful, uncivilised and mean.
I'd say any call for a boycott of WotC disrespectful, uncivilized and mean. Add irrational, too.
huh? How is that disrepectful at all. Its called an opinion. How this one: I hope the 4-Gotten Realms is an utter disaster. I am allowed to hold and express that opinion
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
Again: Candlekeep should not be host to this kind of thing. It's wrong and it goes against the nature of this forum.
Its not wrong. People are entitled to their opinions. And this forum is about free speech. There has been absolutely no violation of the code of conduct in any respect whatsoever
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
The people who are calling for it should be asked to leave for a short time and come back only after they can parse the Realms for what it is: A fictional setting for fantasy novels and roleplaying games.
huh? So now you or the moderators at Candlekeep are going to tell me or anyone else how we are supposed to feel about the new Realms
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
This isn’t life and death, people.
Very true. So why can't we call for a boycott? |
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Anyone bringing their PCs 100 years into 4E?
