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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 01 May 2008 : 15:51:58
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Every once in a while I get the urge to have the PCs find a portal to Golarion . . . but I love the pre-4th edition Realms too much to do this lightly . . . still, its tempting sometimes . . .
I think that'd be a neat idea for a campaign, actually. They could visit Golarion without moving there. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2008 : 17:02:50
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I think that'd be a neat idea for a campaign, actually. They could visit Golarion without moving there.
Good point . . . I wouldn't feel quite as guilty then . . .  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 00:50:02
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I think that'd be a neat idea for a campaign, actually. They could visit Golarion without moving there.
Good point . . . I wouldn't feel quite as guilty then . . .
World-hopping can be fun. However, there's no place like home, either. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Wyvernspur
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 04:04:55
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While I don't plan on having a character from 3.5 transfer to 4E(I heard in an interview this probably won't even be possible so no converter book like 2E to 3E) I was thinking it would be very interesting to have a character of one of the long lived races who was a child before the spell plague and is now an adult. In the elf category though I wonder if my Sun Elf will turn into an Eldarin or what?
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 16:40:25
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Originally posted by Wyvernspur
While I don't plan on having a character from 3.5 transfer to 4E(I heard in an interview this probably won't even be possible so no converter book like 2E to 3E) I was thinking it would be very interesting to have a character of one of the long lived races who was a child before the spell plague and is now an adult. In the elf category though I wonder if my Sun Elf will turn into an Eldarin or what?
Yes, over on the WotC forums, Rich said that the break up of the elven races will probably be: Eldarin - Gold, Moon, and Star Elves; Elves - Wood and Wild Elves; Drow - separate race all together. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 19:02:23
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| But note that that doesn't mean sun elves will literally "turn into" eladrin, in setting (ie. undergo some type of change in their natures). It just means sun elves will be classified as eladrin. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 02 May 2008 19:11:04 |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 19:54:06
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
But note that that doesn't mean sun elves will literally "turn into" eladrin, in setting (ie. undergo some type of change in their natures). It just means sun elves will be classified as eladrin.
Yes, I just was trying to point out that if you wanted to rebuild a 3e elf in the 4e Realms, then those are the 4e races you would use in substitute for the 3e subraces. That is another thing about 4e that I think I will miss: subraces (it seems as though they are downplaying them a lot in 4e). |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 20:12:10
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| Understood, I just wanted to point out what I did. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2008 : 01:15:59
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Gorlarion? Not following everything 4.0, may I ask what is Gorlarion?
I suspect other players will drag me kicking and screaming into 4.0. It's how I ended up in 3.0 (our DM converted the campaign) and 3.5 (local Living Greyhawk group used it).
I'm not a lemming.  I despise the startup cost of going into another edition. But good gaming groups in my neck o' the woods are worth their weights in gold...even at today's exhange rates. (Good DMs being worth their weight in platinum.) So, if my chummers find their way into 4.0, I'll follow.
Man, I simply wish everything came in PDF. Lugging around tomes in a digital age totally sucks. Paper books to read and plot as GM, but PDFs facilitate gaming.
Rambling aside and back on-topic, I like the ghost idea, too. It seems appropriate for the grimming of the Realms.
Without knowing more about 4.0, I suspect I'd use a new character. My 2.0 characters died concept-death at the hands of 3.0, so I suspect our 3.x-ers will perish due to game mechanic changes. *sigh* They'd make ok ghosts, tho.
*spectral voice of 2.0 character* "Brewaaaaaare game designers, young elffffff! You should see 500 summers of light laughter, but only if you avoid game designers."  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2008 : 02:39:14
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Gorlarion? Not following everything 4.0, may I ask what is Gorlarion?
Ironically, if you don't follow 4th edition, you can find Golarion easier. Seriously though, its the campaign setting for Paizo's Pathfinder RPG, which is based on 3.5 (and in fact is 3.5 until they put their official rules out next year. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2008 : 02:58:33
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Thanks, KEJ. I noticed Pathfinder all over Paizo, but I've never looked into it. Perhaps I erred in that.  |
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TheArchPriest
Acolyte
Brazil
14 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2008 : 04:37:39
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I will keep making 3.5 campaigns but I will also make some 4e (if Kossuth is still alive them everything is ok)
But I won't mix them most times (only one adventure or two) |
Black Flame Zealot
Influent Kossuthan Cleric
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 07:34:15
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Well, actually, most of my favorite characters are either elves (err, mostly Drow, rather) or powerful spellcasters, or both. Thus, they are actually very century-surviveable.
However, contrary to dear Mister Baker, I consider draconians in Unther as not cool.
And I'm not even getting into the "Deities of the Realms 90210" flick they pulled. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 13:46:01
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
no way, I can't even play in 1372 DR
remember the illithid campaign, that was a million year jump |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 21:28:08
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Gorlarion? Not following everything 4.0, may I ask what is Gorlarion?
Ironically, if you don't follow 4th edition, you can find Golarion easier. Seriously though, its the campaign setting for Paizo's Pathfinder RPG, which is based on 3.5 (and in fact is 3.5 until they put their official rules out next year.
I suppose those rules will be very 3.5-like |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 22:21:19
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Just curious if anyone is planning on taking the party the DM and jumping them into the future somehow. How? Why?
Just to make this short and simple: No!
In fact, to spare my current crop of players any future embarrassment, I started my FR-based Night Below campaign in 1200 D.R.. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 16:45:45
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| No. No interest in timehopping my player's characters around like Marty McFly. |
I'm on a permanent vacation to the soul. -Tash Sultana |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2008 : 19:25:25
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Elminster got “stuck” in time once (well stasis, or something like that) so I don’t see what’s so damned hard about the same happening to a group of PCs.
That said, it’s really up to my players. If they want their 3E characters to advance to 4E, so be it.
I’m skilled enough as a DM to give them exactly what they want. Not my fault if they get what they ask for.  |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Morentis
Acolyte
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2008 : 18:29:02
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It's unlikely that I'll convert my current version of the Realms into a post-Spellplague world. I'm definitely curious about it, although I'm alarmed and unsettled by many of the proposed changes. Characters have too many close ties and associations to others in the "current" Realms; punting them 100 years into the future would be fascinating from a roleplaying standpoint, but there would still be too much lost potential.
Like some of the others, however, I'm entertaining the idea of doing a separate, alternate campaign in the post-Spellplague Realms, so I'd still be curious to hear what people's ideas are for catapulting PCs 100 years into the future. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2008 : 21:29:44
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IMC, the players are about to fight Kyuss, the demigod from the Age of Worms Paizo campaign arc (I highly recommend it, especially with Eric L. Boyd's Realms adaptation notes, available on the Paizo website).
IMC, there's also rumors that Bhaal and Myrkul have been resurrected, but the PCs have not confirmed it as they stomped out the Ebon Triad cult (which organized the resurrection of Bane, and which was working to resurrect Myrkul and Bhaal too...) They met a very high level priest of Myrkul, and let him walk away. The ambitious high priest is now of Epic level, and has successfully brought Myrkul back. Kelemvor still has his portfolio, but he's worried... I'm going to assume Bhaal will come back on its own, as the Bhaalspawn kills off one another [yes, I'm inspiring myself from the video game a bit here, as the Ebon Triad couldn't do it all by themselves... BUT their efforts have made the remaining Bhaalsons and Bhaaldaughters much stronger -- DM ploy to provide Epic challenges to the PCs! ;) ]
IMC, Bane and Myrkul banded together to stop Cyric from murdering Mystra. As the Prince of Lies snuck in Dweomerheart with the help of Shar, the two gods ambushed him and laid the smack-down on him. They left him barely breathing with the power of a demigod, and Myrkul sucked back some divine mojo into his lesser self, gaining back the status of intermediate god (from demipower). You see: Bane and Myrkul being back together... plotting... scheming... kinda agreed together that a dead Mystra would mean a very powerful Shar... and they don't like that! ;)
And this is how the Spellplague was averted in PDK's campaign! |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 17:38:20
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My old game will continue (IF it does) in the 3e Realms, while I am also starting a 4e game (just to test the rules) which will be set in the Realms, but only sort-of (Points of light and all of that). The new rules are really designed for people who don't want to bother with flushing out a whole setting to enjoy an evening of fun dungeon-delving, and there's nothing wrong with that.
More then likely I will just end my current game and allow my players to build new PCs to their liking at their current levels with the Pathfinder rules, but I will wait until the Golarion setting books come out for that.
So my answer would be NO, I have no intention of moving anything anywhere - I will just start over. The rules are not anywhere close enough to achieve the same character builds, so it seems pointless to me to try. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2008 : 18:35:55
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By the way, I'm currently playing in a 3.5 Realms tabletop game set in 1374-1375 DR. We have no plans to switch this game to 4E rules and whisk the PCs 100 years into the future.
I'm also in an email game that unabashedly disregards a lot of "canon" developments, including the ToT. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 15 Jun 2008 18:36:57 |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2008 : 18:41:20
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
By the way, I'm currently playing in a 3.5 Realms tabletop game set in 1374-1375 DR. We have no plans to switch this game to 4E rules and whisk the PCs 100 years into the future.
I'm also in an email game that unabashedly disregards a lot of "canon" developments, including the ToT.
never done an email game |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2008 : 20:35:10
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I'm starting to consider the idea of running parallel universe type games.
My group has more or less decided by email conversation to keep doing our 3.5 game and also run a 4E game with 4E characters that are related to the 3.5 ones, by alternating weeks.
Thing of it is, I don't think I can square what might happen in the 3.5 game’s ‘future’ with information I'll need to have more or less 'set in stone' for the 4E one (even if I try to be vague about it).
Yeah, I think that’s the route I’ll go. |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 17:07:27
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In your case, don't HATE the spellplague... embrace it!
After a decade or two of planet-wide turmoil, very little in the way of written records would have survived, especially concerning any non-famous individuals. Your 4e PCs will have almost no info about their forebears, other then their names and perhaps a single heroic deed they may have been known for.
In fact, you can 'mess with' their meta-game knowledge, and tell the 4e group that their ancestors were famous for saving the people of a certain village when the Spellplague struck... something that hasn't even occurred yet in your other game. 
Remember, even if your 3e game was set in the 'current' year, that would be 1375 DR, which still gives you an entire decade of gaming goodness before you need to spring anything on them, and you move the timeline forward at whatever pace you want, being the DM. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 01:21:20
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I really like the idea of hinting/forshadowing in the 4E game about things the players 3E characters 'will' do in the past.
It's kind of cool to be able to plant a hook for an adventure 100 years after the adventure happens.
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09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 15:09:27
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I was going to start another thread, because something occurred to me, but this one will work just fine.
How can people use magical time-travel to travel back and forth past the barrier that the Spellplague would encompass? 
Even if we were to say that the actual 'event' was a nano-second when Mystra exploded, and everything else was just 'aftermath', we still have the problem of getting past a temporal point where a wild magic surge exists.
VERY unreliable, at best.
The same, I would say, goes for traveling back to ancient Netheril in a 3e/2e game - How does one use magic to get past that point when Karsus casts his spell? Sure you can just claim DM fiat and say spells cast during a period of stable magic aren't effected by wild Magic after they are cast, but thats not really how it works.
If you have travel 'through' that moment, then things should go somewhat haywire at that point.
I would, at the very least, require some sort of die roll to allow peeps to get by safely, or dump them somewhere earlier or later then when they were shooting for.
Not for folks that hate Sci-Fi:
And, of course, I have to bring up a rather sore point for some - technically, FR has two seperate pasts. Like it or not, there is the Toril that existed before the Elves cast their High-Magic Sundering Spell, and the Toril that existed after the spell changed the world.
If you travelled back beyond that point, shouldn't there be a chance you land in the original timeline (unless that timeline was complately erased, as many people keep trying to tell me)?
And BTW, even if the original past was over-written, and the timeline didn't diverge, it still existed, either way. That means that anything from that alternate time that left Realmspace and then returned later may have survived. That could even be a good way for folks that don't like the official version to introduce the new Dragonborn to the Realms.
And they'd be wondering where their kingdom went, and why everything is different... and they'd be mighty pissed at the Elves once they find out what happened.
I do so love time paradoxes.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 15:41:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
How can people use magical time-travel to travle back and forth past the barrier that the Spellplague would encompass?
Because the DM says so |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Caedwyr
Seeker
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 18:20:11
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Why do you have to travel back through events? Can't your time travel be something more akin to being picked up from one location on the time continuum and being dropped down in another location. You don't actually move through all the points, and as such don't have to worry about what happens in those time periods.
Magical stasis, I see as being a bit less reliable as a method for getting to the future. |
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Anyone bringing their PCs 100 years into 4E?
