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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 14:14:27
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I must a missed it...there is no thread on the new podcast on the forgotten realms?
Very interesting listen, even if it didn't convince me to migrate it's very informative. I think what they propose for the Redwizards is fresh and more to my taste than their switch to the magic corporation.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 14:47:52
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I´m listen it, but I´m suffering to understand all those people talking quickly 
If some good scribe could transcribe the key points of the podcast for us, non-American-U.K.-Canadian players, this will be very apreciated.  |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 18:29:27
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on ENworld, someone wrote out their thoughts on the key points of this podcast. It may be helpful for folks with English as a second language.
http://www.enworld.org/ |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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France
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 14:10:50
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 16:24:07
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| The summary did little to encourage me to buy the 4ed. Realms (big surprise). I think I will pass on hearing the whole thing. The part about Eds Waterdeep novels seems promising though. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 18:52:23
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| The summed-up podcast makes it sound like the new Realms won't be so bad... Which is of course in total contradiction to the three preview articles. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 23:44:59
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Thanks for the link. Although this bit didn't make me "angry" or anything, it also has not convinced me that I should check out or get into the 4E Realms.
I thought the Realms was already "mysterious"; I didn't need massive setting changes for that. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 23:45:50
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Originally posted by Jorkens
The summary did little to encourage me to buy the 4ed. Realms (big surprise). I think I will pass on hearing the whole thing. The part about Eds Waterdeep novels seems promising though.
Indeed, but I hope Ed will be able to write novels set before the Spellplague. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 08:01:07
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Jorkens
The summary did little to encourage me to buy the 4ed. Realms (big surprise). I think I will pass on hearing the whole thing. The part about Eds Waterdeep novels seems promising though.
Indeed, but I hope Ed will be able to write novels set before the Spellplague.
So do I, but I am trying to see something positive in this and am therefore trying to not think about the time jump at all.
I have a feeling that novels(at least these)will mainly be post- Spellplague though. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 14:49:30
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I have a feeling that novels(at least these)will mainly be post- Spellplague though.
Same here.
By the way, I read something disturbing about this podcast on the WotC forums--someone said that it is mentioned, in the podcast, that the little towns along roads will be mostly gone (!). Can someone please clarify that, and give me some context for such a repugnant statement? |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 17:37:40
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That comment was indeed made in the podcast. In relation to the points of light design philosophy and the plague that spread over the land, the new realms are viewed with less civilisation between points of light. It was stated in the context of explaining that not all new worlds produced by WotC will have the points of light philosophy behind it and therefore not all there worlds will be devoid of small towns and villages between big center of civilisation.
That is what i understood of the podcast.
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I have a feeling that novels(at least these)will mainly be post- Spellplague though.
Same here.
By the way, I read something disturbing about this podcast on the WotC forums--someone said that it is mentioned, in the podcast, that the little towns along roads will be mostly gone (!). Can someone please clarify that, and give me some context for such a repugnant statement?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 00:21:49
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Originally posted by Patrakis
That comment was indeed made in the podcast. In relation to the points of light design philosophy and the plague that spread over the land, the new realms are viewed with less civilisation between points of light. It was stated in the context of explaining that not all new worlds produced by WotC will have the points of light philosophy behind it and therefore not all there worlds will be devoid of small towns and villages between big center of civilisation.
That is what i understood of the podcast.
Thanks for the clarification (although of course, it doesn't comfort me any).
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 00:52:45
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Yeah, I finally listened to it.
I'm kind of thinking I may not even pick up the novels any more. Not because of the content, and not because of the authors, because I really love some of them (reading RLB's latest trilogy has me turning in circles, because I like his story and characters, but hate the repercussions for the setting as a whole).
Nope, its the fact that, according to the podcast, I had developed a sense of "entitlement" about Forgotten Realms content. I have always worked very, very hard to be respectful of authors and designers, even when I didn't see eye to eye with them. But I expect it to be a two way street.
Let me apologize to anyone at WOTC that might read this, that I might have actually had an opinion, as a fan of the setting, about what I wanted covered. I just hope that none of you have developed a sense of "entitlement" over my hard earned cash. That's pretty much going to Paizo from this point on. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 01:06:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
(reading RLB's latest trilogy has me turning in circles, because I like his story and characters, but hate the repercussions for the setting as a whole).
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same way about that. Same goes for the Lady Penitent series, and most likely the Empyrean trilogy.
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Nope, its the fact that, according to the podcast, I had developed a sense of "entitlement" about Forgotten Realms content. I have always worked very, very hard to be respectful of authors and designers, even when I didn't see eye to eye with them. But I expect it to be a two way street.
Ick, who used the term "entitlement?" What a poor choice of words! In EVERY industry, customers grow to expect certain things from a brand. That has nothing to do with entitlement at all! In fact, normally that kind of "branding" is what businesses use to their advantage. Are they trying to push people away?
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Let me apologize to anyone at WOTC that might read this, that I might have actually had an opinion, as a fan of the setting, about what I wanted covered. I just hope that none of you have developed a sense of "entitlement" over my hard earned cash. That's pretty much going to Paizo from this point on.
Exactly. No company is entitled to our money if they will not produce the products that we, the consumers, want. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 16:28:21
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| The overall feeling that I get is that I will be only visiting the Realms post-Spellplague via selected novels (i.e. Novels containing large quantities of Dragonborn and/or unfamiliar locations that have eaten familiar locations and...well, you know...I will probably avoid reading). |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 08:04:11
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I was actually most disheartened by the description of the coming 4ed Realms Guide.
A good chunk of the guide will be a ready to use adventure module and pre-configured encounters for the DM, and the fluff (which is always the best part) is extremely sparse compared to the 3rd Edition Realms Guide. I imagine it to be very much like the original Forgotten Realms boxed set, with lots of little tidbits, rumors and adventure hooks, but not too many details.
According to the podcast, most of the "extended fluff" is moving to DnD Insider, and I am guessing it will not be part of the free set of articles. So, the FR guide might have only a few paragraphs and some adventure hooks for a given location, but the good stuff will become available online at some point. Hopefully, I am wrong and they will be available for free.
I thought the writers did a very good job of explaining the changes, I really like what is happening with Thay.
Also, they seem really excited about Abeir, which was revealed to be a continent that was once the seat of the Draconic kingdoms of Toril. I think the idea of a dragon continent is pretty cool, Ed apparently wrote a lot of that. All in all, a very exciting podcast with a lot to look forward to. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 21:17:42
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I found it informative in parts, relatively free of stoopid hype and buzzwords. I commented on what I found the most interesting part here. After that there's a long discussion of the reshaping to match 4th edition norms, but as on Rich's QA thread they avoid giving reasons for this strategy.quote:
One little thing that's nice about the 4th edition magic rules is I think it actually works better in the game fiction of the world than the old magic system did. Speaking as someone who's written a fair number of novels, there are many things you want your wizard characters to do... multiple times during the course of one day, and it was always a bit of a nuisance to have to remember to write something to the effect of "My wizard Joran, he woke up first thing in the morning and studied his spellbooks and made sure that he memorized plenty of battle spells because he expected this to be a big day of fighting."... "How come this guy cast prismatic ray eight times in the course of one day?" Oh man, I don't know why, he just did, OK?
Since Realms magic was Vanceian pre-D&D, and Ed seems to have no problems with it in his fiction, I'm not entirely sympathetic here, but he did feel something of the same concern and it led in part to the mantle-like spells, ignored here by Bruce and Rich. This raises the question of how much these spells (as spells) are rules artefacts, as patches to an imperfectly fitting ruleset.quote:
... the Realms was so well connected with both trade routes and portal connections that it was a little stifling, in fact, how civilized the Realms had become in a lot of the main areas.
This is rich. Who was it who multiplied and demystified gates, emphasized Realms-spanning events, discontinued local current clack, neglected to describe the dangers of overland travel (so Ed put all that caravan lore in Hand of Fire), moved Alokkair's phylactery to his lair, and otherwise shrunk Faerûn?quote:
I always liked the Red Wizards best as the strange, unsetlling inhabitants of the plateau of Leng...
Kind of a relief to have no rationalization here. Bruce just likes his idea of Thay as stark, alien quasi-Leng better than Ed's realistic nation under a wizard overclass or Rich's merchants.quote:
We always wondered why the Realms were called the Forgotten Realms, and it turns out there is a realm forgotten indeed and it has to do with the name Abeir-Toril...
They always wondered? This is misleading, whether disingenuous or ignorant or plain spin. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 21:55:53
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Maybe they (the designers) just forgot what the Forgotten Realms are...
I read part of an interview with James Wyatt over at ENworld, and he is quoted with something like "the Forgottrn Realms new campaign". Maybe it's just a typo, but if it isn't they view it as a new world, which it, in essence, is. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 21:59:06
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I'm pretty much sick of hearing about the "problems" the Realms had.
Thay wasn't a strange, unsettling place? Really? That's news to me. And I LOVED the plot opportunities that the Enclaves presented. Rouge enclaves, more merchant minded Red Wizards pushing the production of items. The fact that a flood of Red Wizard goods (well, flood is a bit extreme) enters the world and the opportunity for subtle enchantments to be placed in those items. It's a frickin treasure trove of plots.
As for the complaint about the magic system inhibiting novels, well, there's plenty of items that allow for a mage to cast more than their allotment, there are items that a wizard can make to cast spells. Basically, there's a frickin million work arounds for that and that's without getting into Mantle spell effects.
Last of all, of course I feel entitled when I've helped support a setting for the past decade and a half (around that). If it wasn't for myself and the other fans there would be no Realms. Destroying that which we have loyally supported for years, in favor of some windfall of "new players" is just plain insulting.
All in all it feels like Hollywood has taken over the Realms. It's a mindset of "bigger is better" "faster is funner" "if it takes more than 2 minutes to understand no one will want it"
And that's just lame. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 22:05:18
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| They learned their lesson from the Star Wars prequels, how to do exceptional pictures and have less plot than a porn... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 23:25:21
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Thay wasn't a strange, unsettling place? Really?
Nope, it was too happy, too cheerful, too safe. You know.
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Karzak
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 23:50:21
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
They learned their lesson from the Star Wars prequels, how to do exceptional pictures and have less plot than a porn...
Now, now. No need to insult porn. Compared to the SW prequels, some of it is positively... Shakespearean. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 23:57:29
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by ShadezofDis
Thay wasn't a strange, unsettling place? Really?
Nope, it was too happy, too cheerful, too safe. You know.
Yeah, apparently all of those fields they talked about being tended by slaves (that, at any time, could be claimed by some Red Wizard or another for experiments), who were overseen by gnolls and blood orcs, who watched armies of undead march by or flights of summoned fiends fly over head, were just too mundane . . .  |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 09:46:52
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 10:29:30
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
They learned their lesson from the Star Wars prequels, how to do exceptional pictures and have less plot than a porn...
Why do I sometimes feel that I am the only one to actually like the Prequels? And hate the Lord of the Rings for that matter? |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 11:52:20
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| Thanks for the link, scererar. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 16:05:05
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Why do I sometimes feel that I am the only one to actually like the Prequels?
Because a small minority goes on about how they don't at every opportunity. Episodes I–III are nothing more or less than the first half of the greatest telling of the hero's journey of the late 20th/early 21st century. |
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New podcast on the Forgotten Realms
