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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 18:20:44
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-So I should take that as a no. 
BRIMSTONE 
Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm just saying that there's more than one product that is FR, but doesn't have the FR logo. A question I asked on the original Trivia Challenge came from REF5 Lords of Darkness. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 20:16:59
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To be honest (and in way of another hint), it isn't all that old, and the title is not taken from older sources that were originally Realms.
Some core books had a bad habit of putting FR lore where it really didn't belong (and I'm not even talking about those "In the Realms" sidebars in the MMs). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 17:34:45
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| Okay, the lore revolves around an artifact (probably lesser), and appears in a place that took me an hour to find, and I new exactly what I was looking for! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 13:46:46
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No one?
I was hoping to stump Sage, but I'd be shocked if Krash didn't know this one. 
Another Hint, I guess - the item she created can be worn on one's head (and it's a 3e source, to narrow it down even further). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 14:03:50
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Originally posted by Markustay
No one?
I was hoping to stump Sage...
Not quite.  I did have to go back to the source to refresh my memory though. As it turns out, I was on the mark.
But I think it's best that I leave it for another day or so [giving Krash his chance ]. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 21:51:05
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I've haven't really thought about it - 5 day rule and all that. I'm pretty sure that I know the answer though. Shall I (when I get back to my sources to confirm)?
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 00:15:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
No one?
I was hoping to stump Sage...
Not quite. I did have to go back to the source to refresh my memory though. As it turns out, I was on the mark.
But I think it's best that I leave it for another day or so [giving Krash his chance ].
-Could you give me a hint? Via pm, if you could. If not Kewl. 
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 02:22:18
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To be honest, I wouldn't have ever found this myself - it was pointed out to me by someone with far better research-skills then I whilst working on one of the many Netbook projects.
Talk about some well-hidden lore.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 05:04:15
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-Could you give me a hint? Via pm, if you could. If not Kewl.
I would, but I'm not entirely sure how I could phrase the hint without giving the source away completely. Unless I can come up with a reference that I feel won't reveal too much, I'll talk it over with Markus and see what he thinks about it.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 17:30:27
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We definitely need more clues... I just searched in a couple of likely places, and got nothing.
Markus, if you want, you can PM me the answer, and I'll provide hints. I think I've proven good at providing nice, obscure hints. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 20:05:57
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I'm pretty good at hints m'self (you commented about my last one ), but as Sage has said it's nearly impossible to hint about this source without giving it away completely.
I'm sorry for using such a 'toothy' question.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 22:49:46
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Indeed. That's part of the problem. I've got a great hint... the only issue I have with it is, it'll make it too easy for scribes to immediately note which frequently used [well, I'd imagine most scribes would use this source quite regularly] 3e D&D resource I'm talking about.
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Whoa! Look at that, I actually provided another hint [sort of] without even realising it. 
--Well, okay, it was deliberate. But it's the only hint I could think of at the moment that's still mysterious enough to provide a challenge. |
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Edited by - The Sage on 21 Nov 2008 22:50:35 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 00:19:09
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THAT is an obscure hint, because I don't even get it. 
Unless maybe I don't frequently use that source, which I don't, which is why someone else had to point this particular piece of lore out to me.
And I actually editted my last hint - I made it too easy in retrospect, so I changed one word. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 00:41:46
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Originally posted by Markustay
THAT is an obscure hint, because I don't even get it.
Unless maybe I don't frequently use that source, which I don't, which is why someone else had to point this particular piece of lore out to me.
Really, I'm just judging by how many times I see this source regularly mentioned as a reference in discussions both here and at WotC. I'm assuming that means it's frequently used [though, I myself haven't really touched it since I purchased it back in 200... now that would make it too easy.] |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 00:43:06
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Originally posted by Markustay
And I actually editted my last hint - I made it too easy in retrospect, so I changed one word.
Really? I've been pondering this one... I can only think of a couple of places to check, and a quick perusal of those sources has yielded nothing. And neither of them are ones I could call frequently used. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 02:38:02
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I had something more... direct... in place of 'Toothy'.
The fact that I've stumped all but Sage and George is almost a magical feeling. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 05:37:40
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Originally posted by Markustay
I had something more... direct... in place of 'Toothy'.
The fact that I've stumped all but Sage and George is almost a magical feeling.
Yeah, but it's not as much fun for the people that haven't a clue where to look, despite the hints. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 05:42:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I had something more... direct... in place of 'Toothy'.
The fact that I've stumped all but Sage and George is almost a magical feeling.
I thought I knew this one but further delving quickly showed that I don't. I think simply because I don't own many core rulebooks.
I'll wait for a "real" FR question thanks ...
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 14:16:18
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I've practically named the book, which Sage will attest to I'm sure, and now for another hint, which will probably send you scurrying for one book... when its really in another.
The item she created is a Legacy Item.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'll wait for a "real" FR question thanks ...
-- George Krashos
Cheap shot.
There's tons of good FR lore hidden away in core books, if you know where to look.
What of the Epic Level Handbook? It has more FR NPCs then most FR books do! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 14:46:21
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-Well I don't have that book darn it!
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
Edited by - Brimstone on 22 Nov 2008 14:46:53 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 15:05:22
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Originally posted by Markustay
I've practically named the book, which Sage will attest to I'm sure, and now for another hint, which will probably send you scurrying for one book... when its really in another.
The item she created is a Legacy Item.
Which kinda surprised me, because I thought Krash, of all the scribes here at Candlekeep, would've eventually picked this one up. I'm fairly certain I recall him stating, several times here at Candlekeep, how useful he'd found the item write-ups in this particular tome. [At least, I think it was George]  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 15:16:47
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The "3E core product that is about the Realms" is the part that's throwing me.
It's been almost a week since this question was asked (it was asked on the 16th). I think your clues are too obscure if only one person has figured it in that time. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 16:14:21
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I've practically named the book, which Sage will attest to I'm sure, and now for another hint, which will probably send you scurrying for one book... when its really in another.
The item she created is a Legacy Item.
Which kinda surprised me, because I thought Krash, of all the scribes here at Candlekeep, would've eventually picked this one up. I'm fairly certain I recall him stating, several times here at Candlekeep, how useful he'd found the item write-ups in this particular tome. [At least, I think it was George]
If we're talkiing about "Weapons of Legacy" I don't own that product. I do recall asking people about legacy items on these Boards a long while ago though.
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 19:04:51
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I need to refresh my mind about this question !
What land did Tephira hail from, and what item of note did she create?
hints :
- This piece of Realmslore appeared in a core product (and yet is most definately about the Realms).
- To be honest (and in way of another hint), it isn't all that old, and the title is not taken from older sources that were originally Realms.
- the item she created can be worn on one's head (and it's a 3e source, to narrow it down even further).
- it's nearly impossible to hint about this source without giving it away completely.
- the only issue I have with it is, it'll make it too easy for scribes to immediately note which frequently used [well, I'd imagine most scribes would use this source quite regularly] 3e D&D resource I'm talking about.
- The item she created is a Legacy Item
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 23:16:21
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Originally posted by George Krashos
If we're talkiing about "Weapons of Legacy" I don't own that product. I do recall asking people about legacy items on these Boards a long while ago though.
Aye.
Sorry Krash, I just checked the scroll I was thinking about, and noticed that it was another scribe that I was referring to.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 23:51:40
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I told you this lore was well hidden, 
An item of legacy (yes, it IS referred to exactly that way in the source) only appears in this one other book AFAIK - its almost as if they forgot to put it in the WoL tome (which I already said - it won't be in the obvious place).
Okay, I'll tell you guys what - my earlier hint of "Toothy question" - I originally said 'draconic' question before editting it. Put this together with my other clue some people seem to have missed - its almost a magical feeling....
And remember, I knew exactly what I was looking for and where to look and it still took me three tries to find it. It's probably one of the best hidden pieces of Realmslore (and you have to read the entire section to realize it is definately Realmslore, and not just a naming coincidence). |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 02:26:52
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-Tome of Magic?
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 03:19:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
I told you this lore was well hidden,
An item of legacy (yes, it IS referred to exactly that way in the source) only appears in this one other book AFAIK - its almost as if they forgot to put it in the WoL tome (which I already said - it won't be in the obvious place).
Okay, I'll tell you guys what - my earlier hint of "Toothy question" - I originally said 'draconic' question before editting it. Put this together with my other clue some people seem to have missed - its almost a magical feeling....
And remember, I knew exactly what I was looking for and where to look and it still took me three tries to find it. It's probably one of the best hidden pieces of Realmslore (and you have to read the entire section to realize it is definately Realmslore, and not just a naming coincidence).
Okay, now that I've found it, I still have an issue with a couple of your clues... "Toothy" does not, for me, reference dragons -- a lot of critters are toothy.
And your first clue -- "This piece of Realmslore appeared in a core product (and yet is most definately about the Realms)." The wording made me think it was a book that dealt with the Realms -- not that the lore in question was Realms-specific.
Minor quibble, which had no impact: it's Tiphera, not Tephira.
No offense, but this question was simply too obscure. I know I didn't rule out non-Realms-specific sourcebooks, but that's only because, as I said earlier, some of the earlier ones (and a couple of the 3E ones, like Monsters of Faerūn) don't have the FR logo on them. Nonetheless, I think that -- for fairness -- questions originating from sourcebooks should come from those books that are primarily Realms resources, even if not an official Realms product. The Epic Level Handbook would be the one exception I'd make.
Now to answer the question:
Tiphera hailed from Solon, and crafted the Wyrmbane Helm. Dragon Magic, pages 104-5.
Since I had the question before this one, I will leave the floor open to whoever gets here first. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 03:52:34
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| -Plenty of non-Forgotten Realms products have pseudo-canon (information relevant and pertaining to the Forgotten Realms, without actually being an official Forgotten Realms products), unfortunately. Weapons of Legacy has a few Kara-Tur related items, and off the top of my head, the Bow of Shevarash, only relevant in the Forgotten Realms. The Book of Artifacts had the same deal going on. Core books with "In the Forgotten Realms..." sidebars could arguably be considered, though those could also be considered suggestions, rather than statements of fact (As in, these creatures could be inserted here, as opposed to these creatures are here). Tome of Magic has "Karsus" and one or two vaguely Forgotten Realms vestiges. |
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