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                 Aravine 
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                       Posted - 02 Apr 2008 :  16:23:51
                        
                        
                 
                        
                        
                      
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                       What character has spellcraft high enough to cast this Epic spell?
  Spellcraft DC: 419
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                      |  A god? I hate myself for asking, but what kind of spell is this ( and what is the point of it)? | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Apr 2008 :  19:45:06
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       With a Spellcraft DC that high, there aren't likely to be too many spellcasters -- if any at all -- that can cast it, at least by themselves. Keep in mind that some spells are nearly impossible to cast, but factors like taking your time and involving others can greatly reduce the DC (or improve the caster's Spellcraft; I don't recall which, but the end result is nearly the same).
  I can't say I've heard of this spell, though. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Apr 2008 :  19:58:17
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       It's an epic level spell. Check the stats here.
  From that DC, I don't think any Faerúnian could cast it. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Apr 2008 :  20:01:24
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  it's from Epic Level handbook, useless spell and a broken system | 
                     
                    
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                       quote: Originally posted by Uzzy
  It's an epic level spell. Check the stats here.
  From that DC, I don't think any Faerúnian could cast it.
 
  
  With a 200d6 backlash, I don't why any Faerûnian would cast it! | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Apr 2008 :  21:45:39
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Well, you'd have to be at level...oh, I don't know...400? | 
                     
                    
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                       quote: Originally posted by Jorkens
  A god? I hate myself for asking, but what kind of spell is this ( and what is the point of it)?
 
  
  Damaging...to all involved. the point is damage
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                       I don't play much with the epic rules, but I've heard of games run by friends of mine where people devise epic spells to give them +50 or +100 to spellcraft checks for, say, the next tenday or so. So I imagine you could utilize the same principle.
  You'd probably still want to be 50th level at least, and you'd probably die in the casting (though I suppose there are continency spells), but you'd get (as a player) eternal bragging rights.
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                       id have to wonder why anyone would want to cast this spell. this spell to me is the last ditch effort that follows the if im going down , im taking you with me for the ride threat. and no character of mine can cast it. mostly because most of mine are fighter types. or druids, or clerics, very few mages none of them powerful enough.
  hellball is good enough for me though.
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                      |  Remember that in order to have 200d6 backlash you need 100 HD... but there are ways to lower the spell craft DC.(20 caster donating 9th level spells -like 200 DC) | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 03 Apr 2008 :  03:49:35
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       quote: Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
  I don't play much with the epic rules, but I've heard of games run by friends of mine where people devise epic spells to give them +50 or +100 to spellcraft checks for, say, the next tenday or so. So I imagine you could utilize the same principle.
  You'd probably still want to be 50th level at least, and you'd probably die in the casting (though I suppose there are continency spells), but you'd get (as a player) eternal bragging rights.
  Cheers
 
  
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                       quote: Originally posted by Tethir the dragonslayer
  Remember that in order to have 200d6 backlash you need 100 HD... but there are ways to lower the spell craft DC.(20 caster donating 9th level spells -like 200 DC)
 
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                      |  I'm willing to bet that there are some demi-liches in the realms that aren't really famous but are powerful enough to be able to cast this spell. Well i'd like to think so anyway. Especially a demi-lich that has had hundreds of years to study and grow in power.... | 
                     
                    
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                      |  For some reason this spell reminds me of Bigby's Tactical Crushing Nuke. | 
                     
                    
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                       quote: Originally posted by Caedwyr
  For some reason this spell reminds me of Bigby's Tactical Crushing Nuke.
 
  
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                       quote: Originally posted by Rezzenthell
  I'm willing to bet that there are some demi-liches in the realms that aren't really famous but are powerful enough to be able to cast this spell. Well i'd like to think so anyway. Especially a demi-lich that has had hundreds of years to study and grow in power....
 
  
  I concur.  I think that any non-deity who can cast it makes bloody certain that no other being knows that, and a lich (a real 1st or 2nd edition lich!) or a demi-lich would have so many ways of disposing of curiosity-seekers that the spell would never be needed.
  The reference to Larloch is intriguing. His personal obsession is gates and portals; the development of this spell might be the obsession of another lich or demi-lich (Xykon, for instance) who is just patiently accumulating experience and hit dice until the day he or she can cast it without auto-self-destruct, then BLAM! -- that obnoxious village which has been blocking his view for the past 600 years is just gone.  Having accomplished his obsession he may thereupon perish, but them's the breaks when you're an evil, thousand-year-old spellcaster.
  Then, too, a particularly vindictive deity may bestow the spell upon a free-willed mortal and suggest that the mortal go to a monastery of heretics and see how vile they are, and if the Chosen independently chooses to cast Vengeful Gaze of God, ... well ... it was a mortal what done it and the deity hasn't violated Ao's strictures about killing mortals.    
 
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