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Mace Hammerhand
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 Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 15:40:40
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It was neither useless nor an attack.
Yes, movies should just be movies and enjoyed for viewing pleasure... however, if you look at franchises like Star Wars or LotR the tie-in merchandise market is immense and it stands to reason that, aside from making a good movie, anybody who gets his product (be it Transformers, Batman or D&D) made into a movie is also aiming at the merchandise sales, and merchandise in D&D's case is...well... D&D, or more to the point FR if it was a FR movie. Even if a Drizzt film would most likely result, at first, in increased book sales, the synergy effect it would have on game sales should not be underestimated. If the movie was great kids would want to play Drizzt and friends...you'd probably see some plastic scimitars and battlehammers and so forth, and why not? It's the only reasonable thing to do if you run a company. You might have Drizzt etc actionfigures and whatnot, but with FR now taking place more than 100 years after Crystal Shard the opportunity to reinvigorate the Realms in general will stay lower than other merchandise stuff because new players, as Wooly said, will have to search used bookstores, ebay, nobleknight etc to get the info they do need to play in Icewind Dale and meet the companions of the Hall.
If such a movie was made, and very well made at that(!!!), Wizards would have had a great opportunity to increase the genre D&D in general and more importantly FR... if the old books would still be in print by the time 4e comes about and the possible Drizzt movie is made such a thing would do wonders, but they aren't.
I am commenting on yet another missed opportunity... |
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Victor_ograygor
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ShadezofDis
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 16:31:11
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I'd rather not see Hollywood torture the Forgotten Realms.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:27:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Mace: is there anywhere a rule that prevents anyone from playing in the days and times of the Crystal Shard?
*sigh* You're still missing the point. If this movie is made, and people decide they wish to play in that timeframe, they will have to turn to aftermarket sources to find the appropriate material. The average newbie isn't going to spend time and money tracking down out of print material.
Which is, in fact, a supposition that has been drilled into us over and over again not only by the design team, but by various people on the internet who agree with them (ie. "all the old information is too hard to track down, too overwhelming, we *need* a clean slate, etc.).
So yeah, I'm surprised that Sick-Boy doesn't seem to see that. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:39:52
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
I would like to see a GOOD movie (not like the previous D&D movies) based on the Homeland book of Salvatore..
I think that the atmosphere and the intrigue of Menzoberranzan in this book would make a great movie...
It would, however, make people think that the Forgotten Realms world is a series of underground cities where drow live and scheme and are the most important creatures (ie. the setting is mainly about drow).
I can just imagine myself reading that in movie reviews. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 20:41:27
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
I would like to see a GOOD movie (not like the previous D&D movies) based on the Homeland book of Salvatore..
I think that the atmosphere and the intrigue of Menzoberranzan in this book would make a great movie...
It would, however, make people think that the Forgotten Realms world is a series of underground cities where drow live and scheme and are the most important creatures (ie. the setting is mainly about drow).
I can just imagine myself reading that in movie reviews.
Plus, unfortunately, because none of the cast of characters would be human, it would probably be a hard sell seeing as viewers seem to think that they need human characters to be able to relate to the movie at all... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 18:44:39
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| Good point. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 19:30:16
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| I personally would love to watch a fantasy movie with an all-non-human cast, but I am pretty sure that I am in the minority. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:17:33
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I personally would love to watch a fantasy movie with an all-non-human cast, but I am pretty sure that I am in the minority.
I wouldn't mind (actually, The Dark Crystal does not, if I recall, have any human characters in it), although as far as D&D goes, I really, really like humans and wouldn't prefer them to be missing. |
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 16:20:05
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| Perhaps the Cleric Quintet? Although it may be a bit long, it's still by a favorite author and covers a bit move geography than most of the Drizzt novels. I do see what Mace is sayin, but I see no way to avoid this, short of no FR movie. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 16:54:41
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I do see what Mace is sayin, but I see no way to avoid this, short of no FR movie.
Again, tell a new story, and then, if it's set post-Sellplague, there's no problem. |
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riot the outsider
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 20:09:57
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How bout instead of them doing a book or story we all hold in high reguard such as drizzt and others. What about doing a single type story like master of chains or something from another singlar type story line series.That way if its bad no one will really care.But not anything like ghostwalker or depth's, the crypt
, something like stardeep or bladesinger maybe. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 20:13:55
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Originally posted by riot the outsider
How bout instead of them doing a book or story we all hold in high reguard such as drizzt and others. What about doing a single type story like master of chains or something from another singlar type story line series.That way if its bad no one will really care.But not anything like ghostwalker or depth's, the crypt
, something like stardeep or bladesinger maybe.
Any existing book or short story (or even comic story arc or computer game plot) is going to have its share of fans. Certainly, some will have a lot more fans than others, but I don't think there are any stories that could be ruined on the big screen with no one caring. Even a new story, as I am personally in favor of, would anger people if it sucked on the big screen. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 20:48:22
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And given the way most Hollywood flicks turn out the chances of seeing a good movie are slim... hell, it took a New Zealander to make LotR, and make it right, honor the source and all that.
Who could pull it off, directorwise, would be Peter Jackson or Tim Burton. As for scripting the bleedin' thing Joss Whedon or Lawrence Kasdan. |
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Venger
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 10:25:59
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| Guillerdo Del Toro would do an amazing job. And I demand that Venger be the main villain! |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 16:26:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I still maintain that a Drizzt movie is a bad idea, since you can't showcase what makes him unique without showing his backstory, and that will invite charges of racism. There are many people out there who look for something to get upset about, and depicting a race of dark-skinned people as being thoroughly evil and happily murderous is simply begging for trouble.
And also, I am pretty much against the adaptation of any existing story. Not only will any story they pick upset people ("why this one and not that one?"), but any adaptation is going to have problems -- story elements being dropped or modified, casting choices, characterization...
They should do what so many Realms authors have done, including RAS: tell a new story, with new characters.
But... The history of D&D movies is not a good one.
I agree that people look for things to get upset about, but I don't think it's as big of an issue now. Not to get political but there is a legitimate chance the US, the Capital for charges of raceism, will have a black president. Look... if people get in a fuss about a race of black skinned elves, then people would get in just as big of a fuss if they were teiflings. "oh look! they're portraying white people as evil!" I think we as a country are mature enough to handle a black skinned race of evil elves. also the main character is also a blacked skinned Good elf. And if people Can't handle theat... they really shouldn't be watching the movie. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 17:22:54
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Originally posted by Aravine
I agree that people look for things to get upset about, but I don't think it's as big of an issue now. Not to get political but there is a legitimate chance the US, the Capital for charges of raceism, will have a black president. Look... if people get in a fuss about a race of black skinned elves, then people would get in just as big of a fuss if they were teiflings. "oh look! they're portraying white people as evil!" I think we as a country are mature enough to handle a black skinned race of evil elves. also the main character is also a blacked skinned Good elf. And if people Can't handle theat... they really shouldn't be watching the movie.
Bah. It doesn't matter how many positive examples there are. Some groups -- especially the ones based around a particular race -- will ignore 999 positive depictions to rip into the 1 that is negative. And if you don't think that would happen, just look at the media for the last decade or so. Things that get ignored if they happen to one group of people become a major controversy if they happen to another group. And it's not just race -- gender, sexual orientation, and ethnicity could also be what separates the particular groups. Any time you group people, this kind of thing inevitably happens.
Heck, there was a pro-albino group that screamed about the movie The Da Vince Code, because the film makers decided to cast an albino actor as the albino bad guy from the book!
There is no possible way to accurately show Menzoberranzan and its population on the big screen without people screaming about racism. Right or wrong won't matter, because it will be all about perception -- kinda like the D&D persecution of the 80's. |
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Aravine
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 17:43:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Aravine
I agree that people look for things to get upset about, but I don't think it's as big of an issue now. Not to get political but there is a legitimate chance the US, the Capital for charges of raceism, will have a black president. Look... if people get in a fuss about a race of black skinned elves, then people would get in just as big of a fuss if they were teiflings. "oh look! they're portraying white people as evil!" I think we as a country are mature enough to handle a black skinned race of evil elves. also the main character is also a blacked skinned Good elf. And if people Can't handle theat... they really shouldn't be watching the movie.
Bah. It doesn't matter how many positive examples there are. Some groups -- especially the ones based around a particular race -- will ignore 999 positive depictions to rip into the 1 that is negative. And if you don't think that would happen, just look at the media for the last decade or so. Things that get ignored if they happen to one group of people become a major controversy if they happen to another group. And it's not just race -- gender, sexual orientation, and ethnicity could also be what separates the particular groups. Any time you group people, this kind of thing inevitably happens.
Heck, there was a pro-albino group that screamed about the movie The Da Vince Code, because the film makers decided to cast an albino actor as the albino bad guy from the book!
There is no possible way to accurately show Menzoberranzan and its population on the big screen without people screaming about racism. Right or wrong won't matter, because it will be all about perception -- kinda like the D&D persecution of the 80's.
Wooly, If we (D&D fans) were concerned about what people thought, we wouldn't have D&D. The Catholics beleive it's a Demon game. and the Vatican is much more powerful than the NAACP.
Of course your going to make people mad! if hollywood bent to contraversy, there wouldn't be very many good movies. The Passion, Da Vinci Code, among recent ones. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 17:52:38
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| The Catholics also just recently acknowledged that the world wasn't flat... recently as in the last century. But don't get me started on religion... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 18:01:27
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Originally posted by Aravine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Aravine
I agree that people look for things to get upset about, but I don't think it's as big of an issue now. Not to get political but there is a legitimate chance the US, the Capital for charges of raceism, will have a black president. Look... if people get in a fuss about a race of black skinned elves, then people would get in just as big of a fuss if they were teiflings. "oh look! they're portraying white people as evil!" I think we as a country are mature enough to handle a black skinned race of evil elves. also the main character is also a blacked skinned Good elf. And if people Can't handle theat... they really shouldn't be watching the movie.
Bah. It doesn't matter how many positive examples there are. Some groups -- especially the ones based around a particular race -- will ignore 999 positive depictions to rip into the 1 that is negative. And if you don't think that would happen, just look at the media for the last decade or so. Things that get ignored if they happen to one group of people become a major controversy if they happen to another group. And it's not just race -- gender, sexual orientation, and ethnicity could also be what separates the particular groups. Any time you group people, this kind of thing inevitably happens.
Heck, there was a pro-albino group that screamed about the movie The Da Vince Code, because the film makers decided to cast an albino actor as the albino bad guy from the book!
There is no possible way to accurately show Menzoberranzan and its population on the big screen without people screaming about racism. Right or wrong won't matter, because it will be all about perception -- kinda like the D&D persecution of the 80's.
Wooly, If we (D&D fans) were concerned about what people thought, we wouldn't have D&D. The Catholics beleive it's a Demon game. and the Vatican is much more powerful than the NAACP.
Of course your going to make people mad! if hollywood bent to contraversy, there wouldn't be very many good movies. The Passion, Da Vinci Code, among recent ones.
It doesn't matter if we want anyone's good opinion or not. If you put a movie on the big screen, unless it's an indie flick only shown in a few locations, then it's got to appeal to the common masses. And from those common masses will arise the protests I am speaking of. You could avoid it all by doing a straight-to-DVD release, but then no one would watch it, not even the target audience.
Or you could avoid it by picking a story that doesn't have that element to piss off people. There have been hundreds of published stories set in the Realms, and authors are constantly creating more. You could simply make a movie based on some other story, or -- and this seems to be a radical thought to many FR fans -- you could make a movie that does what so many of the books (including the original printing of The Crystal Shard!) did -- introduce new (gasp!) characters and a new story. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 18:24:30
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| I have to agree with Wooly, for the movie to be successful, it would need to be an all-new story and probably set after the Spellplague (as much a I hate to admit the latter part). |
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Ozzalum
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 18:36:29
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There is no possible way to accurately show Menzoberranzan and its population on the big screen without people screaming about racism. Right or wrong won't matter, because it will be all about perception -- kinda like the D&D persecution of the 80's.
Don't you think they would just make the Drow kinda gray looking and slap on a British accent so we knew it was all right to hate them? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 18:41:56
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
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There is no possible way to accurately show Menzoberranzan and its population on the big screen without people screaming about racism. Right or wrong won't matter, because it will be all about perception -- kinda like the D&D persecution of the 80's.
Don't you think they would just make the Drow kinda gray looking and slap on a British accent so we knew it was all right to hate them?
Ah, but that wouldn't be accurate -- and I was careful to include that word in my post.
Doing that would make it fly for the common masses, but would it fly for the fans? |
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Ozzalum
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 19:15:44
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I think the fans would get over it if it were explained to them how ridiculous a truly black skinned character would look on screen. (I'm not talking dark skinned like certain Africans or South Asians, but black.) It would be extremely difficult to determine facial expressions or even tell characters apart. That's why Drow are so often depicted as purple/blue skinned or gray like in Lockwood's art.
Some things just don't translate well to the big screen.
Anyway, fans like what they're told to like, right? |
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SiCK_Boy
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Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 05:53:30
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I have to agree with Wooly, for the movie to be successful, it would need to be an all-new story and probably set after the Spellplague
What link can there be between the success of a movie and the time it's set int? In terms of box office success, the time-period won't matter. Actors, director, script, special effects will all be much more important factor.
I agree it could be a problem for the small crowd willing to get official DnD product supporting roleplaying in the time period of the movie (if they were to choose The Crystal Shard). But there are just so many other possibilities for merchandising other than Roleplaying Game Accessories... Mace (I think) named many: plastic scimitars, miniature figures, etc... Add to that Halloween costumes, etc... They could well print a new sourcebook following the success of the movie. They went to the past with the Arcane Age line... no reason they couldn't do so with The Crystal Shard even if the "official" timeline is farther ahead.
An initiative such as a movie must be thought out from the point of view of the non-FR-fan and non-Dnd-fan crowd. To be a success, it must appeal to a wide-range of public (probably aiming more to kids). The impact of such a movie for the FR brand should be minimal. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 14:54:02
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Originally posted by Aravine
Wooly, If we (D&D fans) were concerned about what people thought, we wouldn't have D&D. The Catholics beleive it's a Demon game. and the Vatican is much more powerful than the NAACP.
You know, there are Catholic players of D&D. Let's not offend them here? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 15:15:39
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Originally posted by SiCK_Boy
What link can there be between the success of a movie and the time it's set int? In terms of box office success, the time-period won't matter. Actors, director, script, special effects will all be much more important factor.
You forgot marketing. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 15:57:33
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by SiCK_Boy
What link can there be between the success of a movie and the time it's set int? In terms of box office success, the time-period won't matter. Actors, director, script, special effects will all be much more important factor.
You forgot marketing.
Yes, a movie, among other things, is a marketing ploy for something already existing. Something along the lines of, "If you liked this movie, check out the D&D campaign setting of the same name." usually. And they are not going to want to use the movie to market an older edition of the campaign setting, especially when they are trying oh so very hard to convince everyone that the 4e Realms is so "cool" and "awesome" (with mixed and, IMO, failing results). |
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 01:55:39
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Even if a Drizzt film would most likely result, at first, in increased book sales, the synergy effect it would have on game sales should not be underestimated. If the movie was great kids would want to play Drizzt and friends...you'd probably see some plastic scimitars and battlehammers and so forth, and why not? It's the only reasonable thing to do if you run a company. You might have Drizzt etc actionfigures and whatnot, but with FR now taking place more than 100 years after Crystal Shard the opportunity to reinvigorate the Realms in general will stay lower than other merchandise stuff because new players, as Wooly said, will have to search used bookstores, ebay, nobleknight etc to get the info they do need to play in Icewind Dale and meet the companions of the Hall.
Since I was the first to point out the problem of a Drizzt movie and 4E, I'll just suggest something I did in another thread a few weeks ago.
A Drizzt movie could force them into a "Age of the Chosen" product. Meaning, like Dragonlance, support for both eras of play.
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If such a movie was made, and very well made at that(!!!), Wizards would have had a great opportunity to increase the genre D&D in general and more importantly FR... if the old books would still be in print by the time 4e comes about and the possible Drizzt movie is made such a thing would do wonders, but they aren't.
Borders/Waldenbooks is in the process of sending back all the 3E stuff. Right now all we have in my store is 1 copy of the PHB, 3 copies of Grand History, a bunch of miniatures, and the new Star Wars Saga Stuff. Except for the Drizzt novels, the Knights softcovers, and Annotated Elminster, and Undead, ALL old Forgotten Realms novels are being destroyed (unless they're hardcovers, then they're sent back.)
1370 product won't be on the shelf unless it's written by RA Salvatore IF a Drizzt movie ever happens. |
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 04:39:32
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Words cannot express my displeasure at that bit of information. The source books... OK. They want to clear shelf space for the 4e books. I understand that (even if I do not agree with it). But the novels?!
Wait, did they do this before when 3e D&D came along? I do have trouble finding the older anthologies and the more obscure Harpers books. Would that be why?
I would hope mightily for an "Age of the Chosen" supplement setting though :-) |
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