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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2008 : 22:12:36
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this. But I am looking for maps of the areas that contain the events of Elminster Making of a Mage. I enjoy referencing maps as I read novels so I am mostly interested to know what Athalantar looked like.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Feb 2008 : 23:07:22
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| I know it used to be in the North, in the area around the Unicorn Run. As for a clearly delineated map of the kingdom? I'm not sure if there is one (officially, anyway). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Feb 2008 : 23:39:38
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I don't recall any maps for Athalantar being published.
The DRAGON #228 article and the entry for Athalantar in Lost Empires of Faerūn [pg. 88] provide some details on how the nation was geographically situated. It should be enough for you to plot a rough map of the Kingdom of the Stag.
Athalantar "was located just south of what is now the High Forest." And was defined by the two rivers -- Delimbiyr and the Unicorn Run.
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 01:59:45
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| Thanks for the info. I'll check out the sources. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 06:00:28
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Pretty much here. 
Secomber now sits on the site of Athalanter's capital, Hastarl. Remember, too, that the High Forest covered most of where I have written "Old Athalanter", and the humans did not venture into the woods because of Elven hostilities.
Cheers --- Mark |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2009 : 03:59:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
Pretty much here.
Secomber now sits on the site of Athalanter's capital, Hastarl. Remember, too, that the High Forest covered most of where I have written "Old Athalanter", and the humans did not venture into the woods because of Elven hostilities.
Cheers --- Mark
Markus your link doesn't work.  Just got Dragon 228 today. Thanks Nobleknight. Just to think that was the first Dragon Mag I bought when I got into D&D in 96 while stationed in Korea. Funny huh? 
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 16:50:08
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| I'll have to check when I get home if I have #228 in my library (I've converted my home office into a library of all my gaming stuff- pics to follow :p). I am interested in seeing if a map of this area exists as well. If not, no worries. Just completing some research for a project. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 05:46:19
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| Argh...after Eric's recent posts, I want this map! |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 06:40:08
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Argh...after Eric's recent posts, I want this map!
Which post of Eric's are you referring to? I'd also still like to see a map. :) |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 07:14:43
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On Eric Boyd's Chamber of Sages scroll (page 39), he rewrote the "Voices of the Lost" Perilous Gateways article (originally by Roger E. More) and makes mention in it of Athalantar.
That mention made me curious, because I didn't think Athalantar covered the area that borders what's talked about in Eric's re-write.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 08:19:09
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I would love for WotC to do a Campaign Guide for Athalantar.   
Eminster as a low level fighter/rogue. |
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 14:42:53
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My all-time favorite FR article. 
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Secomber now sits on the site of Athalanter's capital, Hastarl. Remember, too, that the High Forest covered most of where I have written "Old Athalanter", and the humans did not venture into the woods because of Elven hostilities.
Cheers --- Mark
Markus your link doesn't work. Just got Dragon 228 today. Thanks Nobleknight. Just to think that was the first Dragon Mag I bought when I got into D&D in 96 while stationed in Korea. Funny huh?
The 'map' was just a small piece of the official 3e FR map, circling the area where it was. I never did a map of Athalantar (but have always wanted to).
In fact, I would love to someday do historic maps of Faerun for every major era (an Imaskari one especially). I would also love to do Dwarvish and Elven versions of the FR map (because they would look very different then the human one - each race tends to only recognize their own geo-political areas. There is only so much time in a Markustay day... {sigh} |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2012 : 17:12:04
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I always loved the Athalantan Campaign article and thought it was a real shame it didn't have a map.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2012 : 17:49:09
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While hunting around for Athalantar information, I found the game index page over at RPG.net, which has an entry for Dragon #228.
Looks like a pretty useful resource.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2012 : 02:29:49
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I would love for WotC to do a Campaign Guide for Athalantar.
As much as I'd like to see a CG published, I'm not sure it's really all that necessary. Given what we already know from the DRAGON #228 article, the details in LEoF, and the original source -- being Elminster: The Making of a Mage -- [as well as the tidbits Ed's shared with us here at Candlekeep over the years] we know enough to scout out our own details for a home campaign, and explore Athalantar in any way we truly wish to. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Jul 2012 : 03:21:40
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Ironically, Ed was asked to provide a map of Athalantar twice: once when writing the Making Of A Mage novel, and again when writing that article.
He obliged, both times. I saw one of them (the for-the-book version).
Off the maps went to TSR, they own them, and - - they have never seen the light of day. Sigh.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2012 : 04:40:37
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ironically, Ed was asked to provide a map of Athalantar twice: once when writing the Making Of A Mage novel, and again when writing that article.
He obliged, both times. I saw one of them (the for-the-book version).
Off the maps went to TSR, they own them, and - - they have never seen the light of day. Sigh.
love,
THO
Just out of curiosity, Lady, did TSR ever provide a reason for why the map wasn't included in the "The Making of a Mage?" |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Jul 2012 : 18:32:51
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Yes, the reason was "change of plans" (as in, the graphics and layout for the book). As for the Dragon article, neither Ed nor I know.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2012 : 20:08:53
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You would have thought they'd have included one in The Annotated Elminster - that's three chances down the tubes. 
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Map of Ancient Athalantar
