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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
 Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 15:01:46
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| Only if toilet paper becomes more expensive |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 21:16:44
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Only if toilet paper becomes more expensive
Glad to see you again, Candlekeep has missed your presence. I hope this signals that maybe you are coming back to us? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 08:02:27
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Originally posted by The Red Walker Glad to see you again, Candlekeep has missed your presence. I hope this signals that maybe you are coming back to us?
Thanks for the welcome. 
I might be tempted to stay longer. However, I'm afraid that the majority of my posts might be full of complaints and grumbles. (Which is, of course, a complete contrast to my vibrant fun-loving personality.) For the moment, I'll investigate the scrolls, maybe dust of a few favourites, drink tea and argue long and profoundly that nostalgia is not as good as it once was. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 08:27:11
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
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Originally posted by The Red Walker Glad to see you again, Candlekeep has missed your presence. I hope this signals that maybe you are coming back to us?
Thanks for the welcome.
I might be tempted to stay longer. However, I'm afraid that the majority of my posts might be full of complaints and grumbles. (Which is, of course, a complete contrast to my vibrant fun-loving personality.) For the moment, I'll investigate the scrolls, maybe dust of a few favourites, drink tea and argue long and profoundly that nostalgia is not as good as it once was.
Welcome back. I don't think you're posts will stand out much here at the moment because of grumbling. It might even give a couple of us time to catch our breaths. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 09:51:22
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| Dungeons & Dragons is what you make of it. 4th edition barely even changes anything for me. Role-play how you like. If you don't like something then make up something you do like. I will buy 4th edition products and I eagerly anticipate the new FRCS. I am also working on making some of the 1, 2, 3 edition spells into rituals for 4th edition because my wizard will rock the casbah no matter what edition! :) |
Illum
The Wandering Mage |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 10:42:29
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Originally posted by JorkensWelcome back. I don't think you're posts will stand out much here at the moment because of grumbling. It might even give a couple of us time to catch our breaths.
I do get the impression that many people are very unhappy with the changes. One of the recent posts by Talwyn very eloquently expressed what many people feel. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 13:19:02
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
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Originally posted by The Red Walker Glad to see you again, Candlekeep has missed your presence. I hope this signals that maybe you are coming back to us?
Thanks for the welcome.
I might be tempted to stay longer. However, I'm afraid that the majority of my posts might be full of complaints and grumbles. (Which is, of course, a complete contrast to my vibrant fun-loving personality.) For the moment, I'll investigate the scrolls, maybe dust of a few favourites, drink tea and argue long and profoundly that nostalgia is not as good as it once was.
We will happily listen to a few grumbles if that is the price to have a chance to see your lovely presence brighten our halls!! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:05:58
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| On the subject of this scroll: I have not voted yet because I do not know if I will buy the 4e FRCG yet (though I suspect not, WotC's marketing of the 4e Realms has been no better than their marketing of the 4e Core books, and so far I hate the changes). |
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He left it dead, and with its head
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 05:02:35
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I don't play anymore, so I don't buy gaming stuff, anyway. I might buy novels, but from what I've seen so far, chances are looking slim. There are still a lot of older books I've yet to read.
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"Those with talent become wizards, Those without talent spend their lives praying for it"
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Aaron Highcolor
Acolyte
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 20:23:05
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| Yes, I already have the 3 core books, H2, and I plan on picking up the FR stuff in the next 3 months. |
Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 20:54:14
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Definite YES!
I’ve purchased sets of the core rules for myself and all my players, I’ve picked up H1 and H2 and have the FR Campaign Guide and Player’s Guide on order.
I’m running H1 in the 4E Realms right now and don’t plan on slowing down.
:) |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Amarel Derakanor
Seeker
97 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2008 : 11:46:12
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I voted no. While I can fully understand and respect why someone would enjoy the new core rules (Ms. Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, for example! ), I am happy with my (greatly)modified version of the 3rd edition rules, and belive that the 4th edition is too close to an MMO ruleset than a tabletop roleplaying game should ever be.
Further, from what I've read about the 4th edition Realms so far, I belive it to be a perversion most foul of the Realms I've come to love over the years. In my mind, it is truly the end of the (published) Realms(although some of you will feel otherwise about that, I'm sure, but for whatever reason, I don't think I'll ever understand).
My conclusion: As a matter of principle, I will certainly not support WotC from this point forward. Ever. ...Ahem. I might just buy an old novel FR novel or two, that details events before the sellplague, though. |
Edited by - Amarel Derakanor on 22 Jul 2008 08:42:25 |
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
55 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2008 : 15:56:52
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| I will read through the FR Guide it in the game store and I may by it. |
"There should be much less violence, and more nudity and kinkiness in the world." |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 01:41:13
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Originally posted by Amarel_Derakanor
I voted no. While I can fully understand and respect why someone would enjoy the new core rules (Ms. Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, for example)...
I now own the H1 adventure, too. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Ahwe Yahzhe
Acolyte
Iraq
36 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 22:34:09
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Amarel_Derakanor
I voted no. While I can fully understand and respect why someone would enjoy the new core rules (Ms. Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, for example)...
I now own the H1 adventure, too.
Then you know about this scroll, then: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11080
Candlekeep scribes were very helpful in helping me get some things straight when I Realms-ified H1 for my new group. They just survived a big goblin counterattack in the upper level- can't wait until Thursday, more gaming in Saddam's palace...
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 22:50:06
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Originally posted by Ahwe Yahzhe
Then you know about this scroll, then: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11080
Indeed! |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 00:34:38
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| No. I've got all the Realms (and AD&D) material I'll ever need, and even more than that to convert from 3.x. Even if I had the room, time, and money to reinvest all over again, I still don't think I would. It's going to take me years to read, play, convert, and use all the material I've gained online and in print, and I'm not getting any younger. I used to think I had all the time in the world to run games, and I did; now for the first time, I realize I don't. The material I own will probably exceed my life span, and even if it doesn't, I'll make something up. |
I'm on a permanent vacation to the soul. -Tash Sultana |
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Talwyn
Learned Scribe
Australia
222 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 02:38:46
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
I do get the impression that many people are very unhappy with the changes. One of the recent posts by Talwyn very eloquently expressed what many people feel.
Thank you for those kind words
I do my best and indeed, if my words encapsulated what a good proportion of the fans of FR feel, then I've done what a good writer has done which is to capture a feeling or mood and put it into words. |
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun.
EAT LEADEN DEATH DEMON!
Terry Pratchett
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Fire Wraith
Acolyte
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 02:26:13
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I do not, at present time, intend to purchase any of the 4th Edition Core or FR products, nor do I intend to in the foreseeable future.
However, this doesn't mean I never will.
4th Edition as a game does seem interesting, in some aspects - but then, I find a lot of games interesting that I never have played, or have only played on rare occasions. At the moment though, I'm certainly not inspired to go give money to WotC just to have it sit on my shelf.
Will that change? Possibly. I certainly won't commit to 'Never'. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 13:04:48
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Hi Wraith,
It's been a while. How are you doing? |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Fire Wraith
Acolyte
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 19:06:59
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Hi Wraith,
It's been a while. How are you doing?
Meh, back from exile in the seventh plane of Hell, also known as "Iraq". Otherwise, pretty good, now. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:30:17
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Originally posted by Fire Wraith
Will that change? Possibly. I certainly won't commit to 'Never'.
Agreed. Never say "never". |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:44:57
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Fire Wraith
Will that change? Possibly. I certainly won't commit to 'Never'.
Agreed. Never say "never".
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER!   |
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Nilus Reynard
Learned Scribe
Canada
137 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 07:34:33
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| From what I have been seeing as of late, I would have to say No. I do not think I will be spending my money on them. |
Nilus Reynard
Doom Master of Beshaba, Hand of Despair.
P24 Hm CN
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Vangelor
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 10:26:50
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| I dropped White Wolf like a hot rock when they moved to the new World of Darkness setting and ceased to support a game of which I was an ardent fan (Changeling: the Dreaming). I have the old books. That's all I need. They may have gotten new business, but they lost mine. Hasbro has just screwed the pooch in a similar fashion. I have zero interest in 4e. |
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Amraz one arm
Acolyte
Netherlands
42 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 16:51:42
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| I can't say never, i'll give it 2 years before I would buy anything 4th related. But knowing myself; when enough FR material is out. I'll buy it in all in a wallop. Come to think of it, a lot of 3,5 stuff will be going a reduced prices in a couple of months. Mayhap I'll get my library complete :) |
"You smell human to me." |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 22:02:19
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I have to agree with Vangelor on this one, although I've never been a big White Wolf gamer apart from Ravenloft 3.x (of course). I got the 4E PH (or a prepaid voucher therefor) for my birthday and picked up the DMG and MM with money acquired on the same day, and I was appalled by the absence of barbarians, bards, druids, and gnomes. I should have saved my outrage, because I had no setting high enough for my reaction to the 4E FR setting. Fortunately, Wizards didn't get my money for that one. My eulogy for the published Realms was already composed by the time it hit the shelves. I'm in the process of rewriting future history for my Realms. I think the *real* reason for the 100-year timeline advance was to skip over the "Year of Azuth's Woe" which came along some 30-40 years *after* the god had his divine life force leeched out by Asmodeus. Oops. Someone either didn't read or didn't care about the Roll of Years... probably both, given what I've heard about who was ultimately in charge of decisions regarding the 4E Realms; they may have not even known what the Roll of Years was. I plan to continue playing and campaigning in the Realms... but the current ruleset does nothing for me. If I wanted to play WoW or Diablo, I would have an account and be playing online. As far as the new Realms and Returned Abeir are concerned, if I wanted to play Eberron, I'd play Eberron. On the bright side, I'll have more disposable income now to track down the old products I still don't have.
Re: PDK: There are some good alternate timelines out there on the Net that avoid the death of Mystra (which should only happen by suicide, and certainly not the way it's described in 1385... my timeline kills off Mask in that year after a struggle between Shar and Mystra whose effects are similar to, but smaller than, the ToT. Mystra (with some help from her Chosen) siphons the Shadow Weave away from Shar and integrates it into the Weave, reducing Shar to an intermediate power and making Mystra CN in alignment due to the corrupting effects of the Shadow Weave. That should make things interesting for the Chosen, anyway... whose ranks Halaster joins in short order. Yes, Halaster and Khelben are still alive. "Meddle not in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." I'm working on a piece of Realms fan fiction in which Elminster pays a visit to WotC HQ to remind them of that.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 22:18:36
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Whereas, at my house, Fourth Edition has pride of place.
Spice of life!
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My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering. |
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