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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 16:15:34
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Nice to see Twilight statted up. I remember seeing the title of this thread and ignoring it for the most part cause I wasn't quite sure what/who Fox at Twilight was at the time (I had forgotten about her appearance in Realms of the Elves). But now having read Depths of Madness, this is more significant for me  Thanks Tom! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 16:37:40
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Glad you enjoyed the writeup (and the novel), Alisttair.
I wonder what Twilight's 4e writeup would look like . . . assuming she's still alive . . . I guess we'll have to see . . .
Cheers |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 17:11:36
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Glad you enjoyed the writeup (and the novel), Alisttair.
I wonder what Twilight's 4e writeup would look like . . . assuming she's still alive . . . I guess we'll have to see . . .
Cheers
I'm guessing she is. And now you have me curious as well as to what her 4E stats would be. Likely statted up like most NPCs with her own powers. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 17:18:58
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im betting itwould look like this or close to it
The Fox at Twilight
Aerialist Rogue 10/Master Infiltrator 10/dark wander 3
Trickster touched moon elf(eladrin)
Before trickster touched
Str 15, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 18, Wis 10, Cha 14.
After trickster touched
Str 15, Dex 24, Con 16, Int 24, Wis 12, Cha 18.
Feats:
At will powers: 2
Deft strike, riposte strike
Utility powers:6
Hop up, chameleon, nimble climb, hide in plain sight, peripheral concealment,
Encounter powers:4
Fox’s gambit
Daily powers:4
Trickstrike,clever riposite,certain freedom,
Class abilities
Artful dodger
Sneak attack +5d6
maybe one of these days I'll finish looking throug hthe powers and all... |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 17:49:12
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Originally posted by sfdragon
maybe one of these days I'll finish looking throug hthe powers and all...
She might even have her own powers exclusive to her |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:02:50
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A power that only an NPC can have? That's not fair to the players! The heroes of the Realms are the PCs, not some NPC from a story!
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I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:06:00
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
A power that only an NPC can have? That's not fair to the players! The heroes of the Realms are the PCs, not some NPC from a story!
[/sarcasm]
Ah, but since she is CN in alignment (which would be Unaligned in 4E) she instantly qualifies as an potential opponent for the PCs and thus is a 4E NPC Villain for them to slay.  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:07:02
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Per what I perceive as the 4e paradigm at the moment, Twilight would almost certainly be written up utilizing the NPC stat-block. Meaning (among other things) that her powers wouldn't utilize the same rules as the PCs (i.e. can do things unimitable in the PHB), but that she'll be more limited than the PCs in other ways (fewer powers).
You'd probably build the 4e Twilight on an eladrin base, with the added Rogue NPC template (from the DMG or MM, can't remember which at the moment) and she'd fall somewhere in the paragon tier in terms of level (I'd guess around level 15-16).
If we *were* to build her as a PC, however, and assuming she's even still alive . . .
I'm not sure on the whole aerialist vs. trickster rogue thing. They're both there, obviously, in how Twilight does things. She's spry and nimble and moves around a lot, and she has mad climbing and tumbling skills. On the other hand, clearly trickery is extremely important to her character. Deceit is basically one of the pillars of her character.
I think she leans toward a trickster rogue build, myself, with some aerialist abilities . . . but I appreciate seeing different takes on Twilight. She's complex.
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Originally posted by Alisttair
She might even have her own powers exclusive to her
Shadow Dancer anyone?
(Anyone seen that paragon path show up anywhere? I seem to recall it in some playtest bard stuff, but it doesn't appear to be in the PHB2 ToC.)
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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4598 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:09:23
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Ah, but since she is CN in alignment (which would be Unaligned in 4E) she instantly qualifies as an potential opponent for the PCs and thus is a 4E NPC Villain for them to slay.
Uh . . . we weren't under the impression that Twilight was some sort of hero, were we? 
(Girl's a super-freak.)
Cheers
P.S. Added that last bit because I know it'll drive Wooly/Sage nuts. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:12:21
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Uh . . . we weren't under the impression that Twilight was some sort of hero, were we?
Definately not. Anyone who blatantly knees men between the legs on multiple occasions is NOT heroic, but just plain mean. That's fighting DIRTY!!  |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
538 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:17:06
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I would point out that Twilight already *found* Ynloeth's Bracer (in 1362) but it is, of course, entirely possible that it disappeared again or was stolen out of the Evermeet museum where Yldar took it. I'm just curious what happened in your campaign.
Cheers
You know, I've been wondering what Yldar did with the bracer after he got it. I'm actually rather surprised that it wasn't used by someone during the Elven Crusade... |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:25:42
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Anyone who blatantly knees men between the legs on multiple occasions is NOT heroic, but just plain mean. That's fighting DIRTY!!
Heh. Let's see . . .
Knee in the Nads (standard action, recharge 5 6) * Psychic
Requires combat advantage, DEX vs. Reflex, 5d10+25 damage + ongoing 10 psychic damage as you try to collect your shattered self-esteem (save ends).
(Note: I was going to make it an encounter power, but as you mentioned the "multiple occasions" bit, I thought the recharge worked better.)
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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4598 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 18:30:26
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Originally posted by Penknight
You know, I've been wondering what Yldar did with the bracer after he got it. I'm actually rather surprised that it wasn't used by someone during the Elven Crusade...
I *believe* the Yldar and Cythara writeup might has said something about that, but mostly it's an open question. Maybe it *was* used in the Elven Crusade, but just didn't get "screen-time"?
I would guess that Yldar returned the bracer to Evermeet, as "that belongs in a museum!" and all that, then returned to the mainland to find that elf woman of his dreams . . . who oddly kept kneeing him where it really hurt.
(I'm sure it's just a gesture of affection.  )
Cheers |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 19:33:57
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no, no shadowdancer
master infiltrator
shadow assassin
you know, you could just have her written up as a swordmage
mmmmm.....Fox at twilight eating ice cream nude... |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 19:49:04
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Anyone who blatantly knees men between the legs on multiple occasions is NOT heroic, but just plain mean. That's fighting DIRTY!!
Heh. Let's see . . .
Knee in the Nads (standard action, recharge 5 6) * Psychic
Requires combat advantage, DEX vs. Reflex, 5d10+25 damage + ongoing 10 psychic damage as you try to collect your shattered self-esteem (save ends).
(Note: I was going to make it an encounter power, but as you mentioned the "multiple occasions" bit, I thought the recharge worked better.)
Cheers
Exactly, plus the recharge is a great tool for villains and it fits perfectly for her. Love the damage you gave it LOL its PERFECT (just hope you don't get Bloodied after taking that one)  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 20:58:31
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Exactly, plus the recharge is a great tool for villains and it fits perfectly for her. Love the damage you gave it LOL its PERFECT (just hope you don't get Bloodied after taking that one)
Heh.
Maybe there should be a daze effect, too--for instance, while suffering the ongoing damage, you are dazed.
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Originally posted by sfdragon
you know, you could just have her written up as a swordmage
While I love the swordmage class, I don't think it fits with Twilight all that well. She's got about as much magic in her as I've got in my left thumb (well, aside from all the detection abilities she had, which don't really exist anymore). I think rogue actually fits with her better in 4e than it did in 3.5 . . . a quick, do-lots-of-damage-and-scurry-away sort of warrior.
Aw man . . . and now I'll be thinking about ice cream all day.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31743 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 23:27:45
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Ah, but since she is CN in alignment (which would be Unaligned in 4E) she instantly qualifies as an potential opponent for the PCs and thus is a 4E NPC Villain for them to slay.
Uh . . . we weren't under the impression that Twilight was some sort of hero, were we?
(Girl's a super-freak.)
Cheers
P.S. Added that last bit because I know it'll drive Wooly/Sage nuts.
You really know how to tease, don't you Erik?  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 01:13:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Ah, but since she is CN in alignment (which would be Unaligned in 4E) she instantly qualifies as an potential opponent for the PCs and thus is a 4E NPC Villain for them to slay.
Uh . . . we weren't under the impression that Twilight was some sort of hero, were we?
(Girl's a super-freak.)
Cheers
P.S. Added that last bit because I know it'll drive Wooly/Sage nuts.
You're an evil man, Erik. But you're a fun evil man, so it's all good. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 09:24:56
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you dont get he aerilist rogue versuses the trickster rogue, well it comes down to it, its nothing more than rogue skills:
insight versus athletics. the rest of either skill set are the same.
so, which is more Fox at Twilight??
wonder what would happen if a cross class feat was taken for this???
either way one feat for the rapier will still have to be taken, and if one exists in either gsl books or a wotc book, a feat to allow for the rapier to be used for sneak attack.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Mar 2009 : 05:32:40
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See, your description sounded very much like the distinction in my head, and I think Twilight is both insight AND athletics. The question is which is she more? And I think she's more insight, actually, in terms of her training. Remember, she's a world-class liar and always seems to know when people are lying to her.
And really, it doesn't matter, since she'd just have a mix of abilities from the two paths. She wouldn't have exactly the same skills listed in either Trickster Rogue or Aerialist Rogue--she'd have both athletics and acrobatics. Artful Dodger, definitely.
Pretty sure the rapier can be used for sneak attack--it's a light blade, after all.
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sfdragon
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Posted - 15 Mar 2009 : 06:07:35
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trickster has insight
aerialist has athletics.
both have acrobatics.
guess its trickster |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Mar 2009 : 07:59:45
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Well, seeing as eladrin characters get a bonus trained skill anyway . . . I think we're good.
Cheers |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 10:31:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
She's got about as much magic in her as I've got in my left thumb ...
WHAT?????
You mean you AREN'T an ARCHMAGE????????????? Coulda fooled me!  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 14:11:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
WHAT?????
You mean you AREN'T an ARCHMAGE????????????? Coulda fooled me!
Heh. I just want it noted I never actually said I *didn't* have magic in my left thumb . . .
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sfdragon
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 08:44:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
WHAT?????
You mean you AREN'T an ARCHMAGE????????????? Coulda fooled me!
Heh. I just want it noted I never actually said I *didn't* have magic in my left thumb . . .
Cheers
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 23:15:08
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| so Eric, what do you think of the avenger class, with rogue training and rogue powers. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 23:56:45
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Originally posted by sfdragon
and I'd like to point out that Mr. Eric Scott De Bie worships the Fey Jester....
Worships? I'll have you know that I've been accused of being the Chosen of Erevan.
Not that I would dare pretend to that title, as Erevan's true high priest (who you haven't met . . . yet, anyway) might not take it too kindly.
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Originally posted by sfdragon
so Eric, what do you think of the avenger class, with rogue training and rogue powers.
I haven't got the PHB2 yet, I'm afraid--though I will check it out sometime. You can bet on it.
Cheers
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 04:28:11
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| okay, figured I'd be nosy and ask..... |
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Nightseer
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Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 11:24:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If all of this was compiled into a pdf, I'm sure Big Al would be happy to host it.
Was her Stats ever put into PDF form? |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 15:34:09
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See the bottom three PDFs on this page: http://www.candlekeep.com/library/lore.htm#rumours
Cheers |
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