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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
 Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 19:47:33
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Okay, so I have been reading the "new online version" of the Dungeon and Dragon magazines for five months now, and I have not seen anything that strikes me as it being any different than when it was just Wizards.com/DnD. The articles seem the same. Nothing at all seems to come close to what it was like leafing through the pages of either magazine. Does anyone else have this feeling?
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He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 23:21:02
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Indeed. Aside from a few articles that have managed to pique my interest somewhat, the experience that comes from reading the online versions of DUNGEON and DRAGON Magazines just isn't the same as holding an actual printed magazine in your hands.
Now, I'm one of the few that actually like TSR/WotC PDFs and reading material on-screen... but something about this change-over to online versions of these magazines doesn't quite sit right with me. It never has. And it may have to do with the fact that I'm still bitter over the decision to end of the publications of both. I feel that one of my favorite things about D&D for the last 15-to-18 years has been lost to me. It's an experience I desparately miss... and despite WotC efforts, I would assume it's not something I'll experienced again.
Having said that, I will note that the published format of Baur's KOBOLD QUARTERLY, has helped eased some of the pain I feel over the absence of a quality magazine dealing with one of my favorite activities. He should be commended for his efforts to maintain a tradition that I've loved for so long.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 23:34:16
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The thing that mainly sticks in my craw is the fact that if we want to continue to read the stuff that we used to read for free on the website, we will have to start paying 10 - 15 USD for it.  |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 00:52:47
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In addition to the cost...the online version has definitely killed something for me.
As the saying goes...If it isn't broke... |
'Everyone dies...I only choose the time and place for a few.' --Eric Destler |
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maransreth
Learned Scribe
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 07:25:52
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But remember that DDi will be more than just Dragon and Dungeon. Plus once 4e comes fully into effect will should be seeing more game mechanic information in Dungeon/Dragon and if you have DDi access you should be able to get that information available for your caracters as well.
So I am still in the wait and see boat before I decide to fork out money for DDi. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 16:35:48
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Originally posted by maransreth
But remember that DDi will be more than just Dragon and Dungeon. Plus once 4e comes fully into effect will should be seeing more game mechanic information in Dungeon/Dragon and if you have DDi access you should be able to get that information available for your caracters as well.
So I am still in the wait and see boat before I decide to fork out money for DDi.
But all I am talking about is the Dungeon and Dragon parts. That is another problem with it, unless you are switching to 4e (which I am not planning on for 2-4 years), then the rest of the DDi is completely useless to you. And the Dungeon and Dragon content so far does not even come close to what we got from the print magazines. For that matter, only bits and pieces of it seem marginally better than the stuff that we have been (and are currently) getting for free. Aside from the whole 4e Core and 4e Realms topics, the DDi is something that I sincerely hope tanks. At the very least, they should have kept Paizo in charge of managing the content of the online versions. I had just gotten to the point where I could finally consider getting a year membership to both print magazines when WotC scuttled them and then (so far) desecrated the remains. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 18:33:01
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 04:40:56
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The real travesty of this situation is that the production values on Wizards.com tend to be worse than than those from Paizo which in my mind is inexcusable.
I look at the artwork going into Paizo's Pathfinder series, or flip through an old issue of Dragon or Dungeon magazine and marvel at the high quality of the artwork.
So far we have gotten mostly recycled graphics on D&D Insider, and the original works commissioned so far have been hit or miss at best. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 13:22:45
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 14:58:14
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I'm of the mindset that Dungeon and Dragon magazines on the DDI are more of an afterthought. A poorly done side dish to what they hope is a main course of techno-cybery-goodness that they are touting DDI to be. It's The Future!!! (Can't forget the exclamations, they're what make it impressive.) Online gaming! Something never done before (Please, pay no attention to World of Warcraft, Everquest, or Warhammer Online)! Now you get to pay for your book, a membership to a website to get all the information that would have gone into the book originally but now we posted online so they don't have to pay for the printing, some computer generated miniatures, some "real" miniatures... oh... hmm.. and let's throw in those two magazines that we used to publish. The current "magazines" are nothing but fluff filled, self-aggrandizing mockeries of what were once icons of the roleplaying community. I would think that Wot-Zi would have enough sense to start the physical issues again in the near future, as it would be yet another means of sucking even more money from the fans. I mean, if Blizzard published it's own magazine for WoW that included stuff you can use in-game, the darn thing would sell like hotcakes.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 18:15:07
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| Well it does appear to be in current revised plab to offer the ezines as a seperate download (for a fee) to be availablr to non DDI members. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 19:59:47
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*nods*
The magazines are complete fluff. They're hoping people are going to shell out money for the online toolset and digital versions of the books via the website while continuing to shovel barely weekly Dragon and Dungeon content they post up. Anyone notice they still haven't done complete pdf collections of post issue 260 because those "issues" don't have enough content?
That said, Paizo is reducing the size of the main Pathfinder adventures starting with issue Pathfinder 13 and it looks like they'll be using the extra 8-10 pages on putting out mini adventures each issue. Something to keep an eye on if you miss Dungeon.
And yes, Wizards.com has always been low budget and always crashes. They've never had the tech department to maintain it and I can't imagine why all of a sudden they'd suddenly have the budget now to increase that department to improve it.. the website as a whole is still a mixing of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 redesigns.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/splash1.asp?x=fr/splash,1
Like that for example. :) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:39:37
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You wouldn't, perchance, be referring to the infamous "Countdown of Doom".
That was just TOO funny - their big countdown-announcement for their new 'online content' crashes the entire system, thus proving it could never actually work. 
They can barely keep the site running as is - can you imagine trying to host a game on that mess? 
I can't think why anyone would be willing to pay for the little bits and drabs they have been feeding us, which are NOT real articles*, but rather cleverly packaged advertisements for their new edition. 
*No offense to Brian or anyone else who has worked on these. I understand fully that you must play the hand you are dealt. 
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"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:50:11
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Originally posted by Markustay
They can barely keep the site running as is - can you imagine trying to host a game on that mess?
That's what concerns me... Their search engine is horrible; it's easier to use Google to find something on the Wizards site than it is to use their own search engine. And more than once, new content has been listed, but the links to either the article page or its download were broken. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 20:49:44
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| Hey they might have hired a tech, they were looking a few months ago. They are not looking now, means either they hired one or decided to continue without a new hire. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 21:14:18
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Hey they might have hired a tech, they were looking a few months ago. They are not looking now, means either they hired one or decided to continue without a new hire.
*shrugs* Either way, I've seen no changes on the site. I've experienced both the broken links on new content and the horrible search engine within the last month or so. I understand that a site rebuild takes time, but the broken links are something that shouldn't be happening.
Speaking of site rebuilds... They've rebuilt their site at least once since I first got online. And yet, some of the original downloads remain, like the Roll of Years. You can't find a link to these downloads, but if you have an exact URL, you can grab them. It seems odd to me that they'd leave files out there but not tell anyone how to get to them. |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
399 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 21:37:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It seems odd to me that they'd leave files out there but not tell anyone how to get to them.
"Odd" is a word that might be used indeed, though I would simply call it "incompetent". I dont want to start a flamewar, but neither is the "new"(???) homepage in any way a substitute for the two great magazines nor would I pay one cent for DDI, if it's quality was like the present homepage.
I still have seen no convincing reason why both mags were closed. The only thing I know for sure is that, if there are no "hidden reasons" from inside the company, the decision was one of the worst in the whole industry. |
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 21:57:41
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Just come to grips with the fact that it looks like the D&D we've come to know, for better or worse is going away.
I loved getting the new issue of Dragon and Dungeon each month. I had no issue paying for those, the DDI...not getting my $ WotC, unless 4th ed. rocks hard core, and from what I've seen so far, it doesn't. I will however continue to hold hope that something will just grab me and I will love it. I am however, prepared for it to suck.
You have all made good points as the lack of quality of the WotC D&D website. I agree. The recycled art, I agree, and the superior quality of Paizo products, I again agree. I think WotC stopped listening to us long ago in favor of attracting new customers, so be it. I will spend my $ elsewhere, that they cannot ignore.
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
402 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 21:59:20
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Well, I'm not terribly surprised that they decided they cost more than they are worth (the magazines). I know printing is getting more and more expensive everyday and that trend is only going to continue.
What I find annoying is that isn't much in the way of online content. It seems along the lines of what was free before and doesn't seem to be much more. Could just be my impression or it could be that they're waiting to reveal the "first issue" worth or whatever. But I can't say I'm hopeful about it. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 23:28:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Speaking of site rebuilds... They've rebuilt their site at least once since I first got online. And yet, some of the original downloads remain, like the Roll of Years. You can't find a link to these downloads, but if you have an exact URL, you can grab them. It seems odd to me that they'd leave files out there but not tell anyone how to get to them.
It is less common these days to reuse space then just add another hard drive/data storage. The "hidden" files mkes no sense, however it takes to keep track of details and somebody that can type. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 23:44:12
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Speaking of site rebuilds... They've rebuilt their site at least once since I first got online. And yet, some of the original downloads remain, like the Roll of Years. You can't find a link to these downloads, but if you have an exact URL, you can grab them. It seems odd to me that they'd leave files out there but not tell anyone how to get to them.
It is less common these days to reuse space then just add another hard drive/data storage. The "hidden" files mkes no sense, however it takes to keep track of details and somebody that can type.
I work in IT, so I know about storage. 
It's just that at some point, someone decided to remove those links, but didn't bother with the associated files. That's what is so weird about it. I'd've expected the opposite: the files to be moved, and the links remain aimed at the old location. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 00:17:20
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OH there are bad links as well often, someome complaianed about new hire link (though not sure if they picked up from thread instead of site), some of the new releases that some appear not to be able to access (A few believe it is coding struture that does not interfacee well with IE). WotC site has been a mess for years and likely will remain a mess for years.
It though is the source as long as one can find something to drink. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
399 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 08:54:19
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Originally posted by ShadezofDis
Well, I'm not terribly surprised that they decided they cost more than they are worth (the magazines). I know printing is getting more and more expensive everyday and that trend is only going to continue.
What I find annoying is that isn't much in the way of online content. It seems along the lines of what was free before and doesn't seem to be much more. Could just be my impression or it could be that they're waiting to reveal the "first issue" worth or whatever. But I can't say I'm hopeful about it.
I don't even need a paper copy of the magazine, I would be content if they changed to pdf distribution. Even if I don't like reading the magazine on screen instead of sitting in my favourite chair with a paper issue, the CONTENT of both mags is important enough for me to accept pdf. But they stopped the magazines completely, promised some dubious ersatz and could not even come up with something like that.  |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 13:30:43
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Originally posted by tauster
I don't even need a paper copy of the magazine, I would be content if they changed to pdf distribution. Even if I don't like reading the magazine on screen instead of sitting in my favourite chair with a paper issue, the CONTENT of both mags is important enough for me to accept pdf. But they stopped the magazines completely, promised some dubious ersatz and could not even come up with something like that.
Yep, the content is the tragedy so far as I see. But I haven't really tried to measure, it's just an impression, so it could be totally wrong. :)
And that's not to say that what content there is isn't excellent, I think we can all see the excellence of Brian's work (even if we don't like the premise of that work) but the amount of articles I've seen has seemed small. Frightfully small at that. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 22:24:16
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Here are a couple of links pertaining to the amount of content we got on the WotC website and in the paper mags before the abomination that it is now compared to what we are getting now:
Link #1
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Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 02:48:22
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http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=24917
A bit more about DDI, nothing we didn't hear from Wizards at GenCon. Basically, subscribing to DDI is going to be like having Magic Online... except D&D. You get access to 3 tools, DM tools, character generator, and virtual table. DM tools to create dungeons for online and offline use. Character generator for on and offline use. Virtual table for playing D&D online using virtual miniatures that you create for your PCs, or buy for your monsters "cheaply." |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 21:42:34
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Virtual table for playing D&D online using virtual miniatures that you create for your PCs, or buy for your monsters "cheaply."
What a ****in' rip-off. Pay a monthly to access; then pay per unit so you can use the software. And that after them saying that D&D minis will be fully compatible with 4E. What? show proof of ownership of the figurine and we'll give you a "discount?!?" What's next? you must buy paper maps to get codes so you can use online maps?
I'm so glad I'm setting camp on 3.5. To the rest of you 4E enthusiasts: I hope you don't spend too much of 4E, otherwise you'll miss out on 5E next year... |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 06:53:40
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| They wanna milk the cow for what it's worth... I wonder what they'll do if the entire virtual game table affair bombs cuz nobody will actually use it/buy the vual minis. |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 11:59:04
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| We'll never know if it bombs or not. WotC will keep announcing it as 'brilliant' or 'cool' however it does. We'll only know if it is quietly withdrawn sometime down the road. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 15:12:45
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We now have some more info...
Welcome to Digital Insider!
One part bugs me (emphasis mine):
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I know there has been a lot of discussion of our business model and our pricing plan. We’ve been paying attention to those conversations and have decided to tweak a few things. Our current plan is to start charging for subscriptions before we have the client applications ready. That means the initial Insider subscription package will include exactly those parts that are currently in free trial mode: the magazines, the Compendium, and the bonus tools. The price tag for this subscription is as low as $4.95 per month, depending on how many months you are willing to sign up for. Specifically:
Web-Content Only Subscription Package:
12 Months = $59.40 ($4.95 per month)
3 Months = $19.95 ($6.65 per month)
1 Month = $7.95 ($7.95 per month)
So they're going to start charging for currently-free content, with a promise of more to come. That decision is, to say the least, interesting. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 16:49:20
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| I dunno. They seem to have reacted to questions about the pricing structure, and they've said all along they'd eventually start charging for it. The only thing I see in this announcement is confirmation of what was previously announced, except that it's a lot cheaper (for the first year anyway) that what was previously announced. |
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DDi: Same old website that will soon cost us $$?
