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MerrikCale
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 Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 20:40:38
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I guess we can anticipate a book full of paragon paths and whatnot. Will this book explain what an eladrin is in FR terms? Will it explain how halflings grew about a foot? What do we think?
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 : 03:01:30
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| I was under the impression from the Monster manual that eladrin were the elven equivalent of angels, being extraplanar, good, chaotic and have a penchant for hanging around Arvandor. I also remember there being something like 5 different types of eladrin. I would have thought that keeping the appearance of the races the same would have been a simple thing to do, even if all of the racial bonuses change. |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 : 04:26:08
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
I was under the impression from the Monster manual that eladrin were the elven equivalent of angels, being extraplanar, good, chaotic and have a penchant for hanging around Arvandor. I also remember there being something like 5 different types of eladrin. I would have thought that keeping the appearance of the races the same would have been a simple thing to do, even if all of the racial bonuses change.
in 4e, eladrins are elves. They are basically High Elves now. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 : 22:02:08
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Indeed, just as the 4E tiefling will not be quite the same as the tiefling from previous editions.
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 01:29:16
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If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 01:57:25
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Halflings grew a foot?! (Walks away shaking head).
Yup, now they have three legs!  |
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Robspieree
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 03:01:13
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Halflings grew a foot?! (Walks away shaking head).
Yup, now they have three legs!
That's why they need to wear pants all the time 
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ShepherdGunn
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 07:03:33
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| See, they get to be a major race in a single trilogy of movies, and it all goes straight to their... umm... feet? |
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Darth KTrava
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Posted - 08 Jan 2008 : 04:05:49
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Originally posted by Robspieree
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by dwarvenranger
Halflings grew a foot?! (Walks away shaking head).
Yup, now they have three legs!
That's why they need to wear pants all the time
Rob
They didn't wear pants before????  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 08 Jan 2008 : 05:20:07
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
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Originally posted by Robspieree
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by dwarvenranger
Halflings grew a foot?! (Walks away shaking head).
Yup, now they have three legs!
That's why they need to wear pants all the time
Rob
They didn't wear pants before????
It's widely known that Corkitron Allinamuck of Halflings, Inc, was inspired by Donald Duck. *nods sagely*
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Daniel
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 01:41:58
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| I must say that the whole eladrin/elves thing is the most inexplicable change in the entire 4e program. I can understand the most of the changes, and even like most of the ones I have heard about, but I can think of no good reason to completely change an entire core race from a lore standpoint. I sincerely hope this change does not come to the realms. |
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Shilo99
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 12:23:09
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> must say that the whole eladrin/elves thing is the most inexplicable change in the entire 4e program.
The designers wanted to split the two at-times ill-fitting, even opposing standings of elves: happy guys dwelling in the trees & handy with a bow -vs- haughty, overly-cultured, magic-heavy elves.
I've personally always been happy the way they were (though like the idea of moon elves having sun elves sub-racial personality & vice versa: seems to fit better), but I guess they needed to simplify things for the 'new' audience...?
We'll have to wait for the 4E FRCS division of elves I guess...
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 23:14:19
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| I'll keep my fingers crossed that elves don't change in the Realms. |
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Sanishiver
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 02:50:18
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I guess we can anticipate a book full of paragon paths and whatnot. Will this book explain what an eladrin is in FR terms? Will it explain how halflings grew about a foot? What do we think?
Per Rich Baker, Halfling's size increase will be an 'always been there' phenomenon.
Just don't tell Wooly; he'll get offended.
I imagine the FR Campaign Guide and the FR Player's Guide will explain how the terminology applies to elves in the Realms. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 04:00:22
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I guess we can anticipate a book full of paragon paths and whatnot. Will this book explain what an eladrin is in FR terms? Will it explain how halflings grew about a foot? What do we think?
Per Rich Baker, Halfling's size increase will be an 'always been there' phenomenon.
Just don't tell Wooly; he'll get offended.
Indeed. I hate that kind of explanation. 
Though, to be honest, it is kind of a catch-22. They either leave halflings too small, or they bump them up in size. The former has its pros and cons, obviously, as does the latter. The biggest con of the latter is explaining it -- and it really is hard to come up with a reasonable explanation for why an entire race suddenly got taller. The Thunder Blessing worked for dwarven birthrates (and could have covered magic use, if they'd cared to explain that change), but even divine intervention doesn't really cover a dramatic size increase.
So, while I will rail against most "it's always been that way" explanations, I'll let this one slide. |
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Charles Phipps
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Venger
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 04:58:39
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For me, I think its easily explained that in the past 94 years, Halfling Diet changed and the newcomers are much taller.
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Must be all that Soylent Green they added to their diets... |
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ShepherdGunn
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 06:50:09
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| No, Venger, only on Dark Sun do the halflings eat Soylent Green. :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 14:21:37
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| Halflings being a foot taller isn't a large enough difference (IMO) to worry about. |
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Shilo99
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Posted - 25 Jan 2008 : 12:00:30
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I agree with Rinonalyrna Fathomlin: 3e halflings were too small & skinny, seemingly modelled after the gelflings (sp?) in The Dark Crystal??? I prefer the classic hobbit style halflings of literature and 1e/2e: plumper, shoeless and 'scampish'.
I still love the pic of two halflings in the 1e Grey Box so much that every halfling PC of mine (OK, both of them) has had the same portrait as the sly rogue-like halfling in that reference.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2008 : 16:52:56
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| Races and Classes explains how halflings "evolved". Around the advent of 3E they became modeled after kender, a race from Dragonlance. |
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Aina Grey
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Posted - 30 Mar 2008 : 14:13:36
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 16:30:27
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Considering they are 'swamp dwellers' in 4e, if you really need an explanation for your game, just say there was "something in the water".
Eladrins I'll never understand - was it so hard to come up with a new name? Did they need to go and change names that were already assigned to 'other things' (like Dragonborn)?
That shows an incredible lack of creativity on their part, IMHO.  |
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Ithil
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 02:53:03
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I'm interested to see how FRCG and FRPG address the drow. Not just the new split (Eladrin - Elf - Drow) but the political fallout of the Spellplague. I haven't stumbled across anything on that yet, has anyone (and can you point me the way)?
I can't imagine the drow surviving the Spellplague without a lot of violence.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 17:51:32
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Two things that might help you a little -
They were quick to point out, early on, that the Underdark will now be "much more accessable". I don't see how it wasn't accessable before, but whatever, that was one of their goals for 4e.
The second thing is the HUGE HOLE in the middle of the new maps. A good chunk of the Shaar has collapsed into a massive crater/canyon, and a large part of the Sea of Fallen Stars has poured down into the Glimmersea. I have NO clue how they are going to explain why it stopped pouring into the Underdark (water will ALWAYS travel to the lowest point), but there you have it.
That massive gouge in Toril will now 'open up' a huge section of the Underdark to the races above, which means more interaction, which means seeing more Underdark races (like the Drow) on the surface (and vice-versa).
The Cornmanthor Drow are harder to figure - They were allied with Sembia and the Shades, I believe, according to the last few pages of the GHotR, but were then allied with the Zhents toward the end. Since the Zhents made a treaty with Cormanthor/Myth Drannor, the fate of those thousands of surface Drow was left up in the air.
Maybe they'll migrate to the Hullack, and work with the Eldreth Veluthra in 4e - ya never know; stranger things are happening.
I personally forsee the fall of the Promenade in Skullport, considering hints in The Orc King, and also the fact that the Chosen are being 'done in'. Thats conjecture, but it makes sense - something bad definately happens to Eilistraee's followers. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:49:08
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I personally forsee the fall of the Promenade in Skullport, considering hints in The Orc King, and also the fact that the Chosen are being 'done in'. Thats conjecture, but it makes sense - something bad definately happens to Eilistraee's followers.
The Lady Penitent series also alludes to bad times ahead for Qilue in particular (though of course, there's still one more book to go). |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 04:29:22
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
I personally forsee the fall of the Promenade in Skullport, considering hints in The Orc King, and also the fact that the Chosen are being 'done in'. Thats conjecture, but it makes sense - something bad definately happens to Eilistraee's followers.
The Lady Penitent series also alludes to bad times ahead for Qilue in particular (though of course, there's still one more book to go).
bad times indeed |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 30 Jun 2008 : 17:31:28
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Talwyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 08:13:13
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
I personally forsee the fall of the Promenade in Skullport, considering hints in The Orc King, and also the fact that the Chosen are being 'done in'. Thats conjecture, but it makes sense - something bad definately happens to Eilistraee's followers.
The Lady Penitent series also alludes to bad times ahead for Qilue in particular (though of course, there's still one more book to go).
bad times indeed
If they kill off Elistraee in 4E I think that will deter a few people from investing in the new system.
Personally I am not going to be buying it. |
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Aravine
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Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 13:12:47
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I'm interested to see how FRCG and FRPG address the drow. Not just the new split (Eladrin - Elf - Drow)
Yeah about that, how do they explain the sudden disappearance of the other elven races? |
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Ladejarl
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Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 13:32:29
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I seem to recall something about cultural differences within elvendom.
Edit: A good idea if it had been used from the start. Now we'll have yet another it has allways been like that.
Not that I care, not at all. |
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