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I Am Not A Bear
Acolyte
Canada
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 Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 21:37:33
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I just started reading this today. Slow day at work so I churned it off on one of the industrial level printers we have here and read it through lunch and beyond. I'm about 60 pages in and I really enjoy it so far. It takes guts and dedication to come up with something like this so congratulations.
It could do with some more editing in parts, but that's all part of the learning process.
Congrats again! |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 22:02:11
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Thanks a lot, He-Who-Is-No-Ursine. I find it pretty tough to edit my own work (though I certainly gave it my best shot) and well nigh impossible to get someone else to do proofreading and content commentary for a 300 page book. However, I'm pretty sure you will find the novel is a bit more polished as you continue for a variety of reasons that don't really need to be enumerated.
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 22:44:42
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I would offer to edit as I go along, but I am a terrible editor. I read too fast and am awful at remembering names - you could call the main character by a wrong name and I wouldn't notice!
You seem to have a gift for gnome naming, what a pity they are being relegated to the Monster Manual in 4ed... But that is a discussion for another scroll :-P
I am still a bit confused about the prologue and the cover and back cover art, I am presuming, Ozzalum, that I am merely being impatient and need to finish reading to put it all together...
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
Thanks a lot, He-Who-Is-No-Ursine. I find it pretty tough to edit my own work (though I certainly gave it my best shot) and well nigh impossible to get someone else to do proofreading and content commentary for a 300 page book. However, I'm pretty sure you will find the novel is a bit more polished as you continue for a variety of reasons that don't really need to be enumerated.
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 22:58:55
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I would offer to edit as I go along, but I am a terrible editor. I read too fast and am awful at remembering names - you could call the main character by a wrong name and I wouldn't notice!
If you read quickly enough you won't notice the errant commas.
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You seem to have a gift for gnome naming, what a pity they are being relegated to the Monster Manual in 4ed... But that is a discussion for another scroll :-P
Flippipsomne, I never got tired of typing that!
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I am still a bit confused about the prologue and the cover and back cover art, I am presuming, Ozzalum, that I am merely being impatient and need to finish reading to put it all together...
I didn't draw two completely random women. The cover is Shoptim and the back cover girl is in there too. I would have drawn Ehric for the cover but I find searching the internet for male models not to my liking. And never, ever ask a rugged woodsman to pose for you. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 00:44:01
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| been reading to page 83 ... and even though i still have no clue what the prolouge was really about then i would say that it is a good relatively enchanting story ... and interesting in the contest of that it 'dares' to take a Red wizard and make her a rounded person |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
196 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 10:50:42
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Originally posted by Sian
been reading to page 83 ... and even though i still have no clue what the prolouge was really about then i would say that it is a good relatively enchanting story ... and interesting in the contest of that it 'dares' to take a Red wizard and make her a rounded person
From The Fantasy Novelist's Exam: 27. Does your novel contain a prologue that is impossible to understand until you've read the entire book, if even then?
For the record, I've no idea what the prologue is about either. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 12:40:32
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From The Fantasy Novelist's Exam: 27. Does your novel contain a prologue that is impossible to understand until you've read the entire book, if even then?
For the record, I've no idea what the prologue is about either.
I'm beginning to get the feeling you don't like the book, but the way you sugarcoat everything makes it tough to tell.
Whatever you do, please don't get out the Evil Overlord's List. |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 14:57:25
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by Karzak
From The Fantasy Novelist's Exam: 27. Does your novel contain a prologue that is impossible to understand until you've read the entire book, if even then?
For the record, I've no idea what the prologue is about either.
Well met
George R. R. Martin's A Game of Thrones, springs to mind 
The prologue always did strike me, personally, as being... somewhat typical (but not impossible to understand until I'd read the entire book, sorry). But hey, what immediately follows does happen to be extremely well-written, attention-grabbing and interesting. I've learned to skim fantasy prologues; most of the time, it's either nonsensical, unnecessary, or trite. I've no idea why so many authors are fixated on a prologue, let alone one seemingly unconnected to the rest of the novel (especially if it focuses on Yet Another Sucky Prophecy/Legend/Myth, ala David Eddings and Robert Jordan).
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
I'm beginning to get the feeling you don't like the book, but the way you sugarcoat everything makes it tough to tell.
Oh, don't worry - I'm probably the only one with anything remotely critical to say about your novel. Everyone else will most likely smother you with unadulterated praise, because negative anything isn't popular around here. I could point you to some websites/online workshop where no-holds-barred, honest critiques are given freely, but I doubt you're looking for that. :) |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 15:51:03
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Well Karzak, I guess I will respond seriously.
I agree that the book started slow. No excuses on that one. I really wish I could have found a way to make it a bit more attention grabbing.
Your comment on casually and jarringly inserting omniscient third person is a good one that I had not considered. I remember a part near the end where I did that and I couldn't figure out why I didn't like it. Thanks for helping me clear that up.
Your comments of "boring" and "really boring" I didn't find particularly helpful.
And then you have all the little stuff about grammar and whatnot. I certainly wish I had fewer of those mistakes. I thought the comment about writing it in German was just cruel though. And I don't think "My" would have been capitalized in German anyway, so now I'm bad in two languages.
And the prologue not being explained right away...I can't get too worked up about that one. It's a staple of fantasy books, as you've pointed out. I think this one falls under a general critique of the genre though I'm sure my execution could have been better.
It's not that I'm offended by your critiques or anything. In fact, as I've said, I think they are pretty reasonable on the whole. My concern is that people will read your entirely negative reviews on a website known for being rather positive and conclude that surely reading the book must be a complete waste of time. Your honesty is great and all but I'm not too enthused about that outcome.
But hey, if you want to fill the role of brutally honest guy, that's fine by me. Perhaps after some rewrites I can go to the dark side of the net and really get hammered.
So, once again, thanks for being mean. |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 16:20:54
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I agree with you 100% - Shoptim is an enchanting character, she is really my favorite so far. Women Red Wizards are rarely focused on, and never with such depth. Because of their wizardly power, it is tempting to focus on the ancient Red Wizard power brokers and liches, but in the case of Shoptim, it is really nice to see a female Red Wizard with three dimensions. <insert snarky joke about female dimensions OR planar domains here>
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Originally posted by Sian
been reading to page 83 ... and even though i still have no clue what the prolouge was really about then i would say that it is a good relatively enchanting story ... and interesting in the contest of that it 'dares' to take a Red wizard and make her a rounded person
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 19:15:07
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Originally posted by Ranak
I agree with you 100% - Shoptim is an enchanting character, she is really my favorite so far. Women Red Wizards are rarely focused on, and never with such depth. Because of their wizardly power, it is tempting to focus on the ancient Red Wizard power brokers and liches, but in the case of Shoptim, it is really nice to see a female Red Wizard with three dimensions. <insert snarky joke about female dimensions OR planar domains here>
I'm afraid Obsidian did it already and did it better in Mask of the Betrayer. Yes, writing in a videogame can surpass that found in a novel, easily. Also, bonus point: Sefiya remains bald all the time. No sudden hair.
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And the prologue not being explained right away...I can't get too worked up about that one. It's a staple of fantasy books, as you've pointed out.
It's not a criticism of the genre: it's a criticism of your writing. Unless some genre police was holding a gun to your head, I doubt anybody forced you to regurgitate stupid conventions for the sake of it being a staple. "Other people do it too" isn't a good reason to do anything.
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My concern is that people will read your entirely negative reviews on a website known for being rather positive and conclude that surely reading the book must be a complete waste of time. Your honesty is great and all but I'm not too enthused about that outcome.
Are you interested in growing as a writer at all? Do you care? If all you are after is gushing praise (and face it, you are: you limit the exposure of your work to a safe space where most people are likely to mollycoddle and salve your ego), you're doing it wrong, honestly.
Get a real beta reader, preferably not someone close to you. Someone who's willing and capable of being thorough, harsh, and unsparing. That's how one improves, not by being babysat and patted on the head for making a blatant error under the pretense of "artistic license." |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 19:37:10
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Originally posted by Karzak
I'm afraid Obsidian did it already and did it better in Mask of the Betrayer. Yes, writing in a videogame can surpass that found in a novel, easily. Also, bonus point: Sefiya remains bald all the time. No sudden hair.
Shoptim's sudden hair is the result of magic used to change her appearance is it not? Nothing unusual about that, she should be applauded for being intelligent enough to know how use her appearance to its best effect. I cannot comment on Sefiva as I have yet to play NWN2:MotB. I have it though and eagerly await it. However, Ozz still gets points for originality, it has not been done in a novel yet to this degree.
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Are you interested in growing as a writer at all? Do you care? If all you are after is gushing praise (and face it, you are: you limit the exposure of your work to a safe space where most people are likely to mollycoddle and salve your ego), you're doing it wrong, honestly.
I think there is nothing wrong with is sentiment that overt criticism might discourage people from reading his book. There are two separate issues here.
You should ask Ozzalum his purpose before making assumptions. Is he trying to get his book edited for publication, improve his writing, or simply release his work to fans of the Forgotten Realms? Of course any author would like to grow and learn, but I think the authors goal here was not to get professional publishing advice, it is fan fiction after all.
Secondly, it is unfair to criticize the author for his choice of where to release the book. I am guessing it was released on CandleKeep not because a desire for mollycoddling, but because it is the only place with any chance of having an audience interested enough to read it. Where else would an author, who knows his book will never be published because of copyright issues release Forgotten Realms fan fiction? Startrek.net? lol. |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 21:24:13
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Karzak,
It's tough to find beta readers. Some folks (strangers) here agreed to give it a read but I don't see how it is reasonable for me to expect them to invest the kind of time needed to really critique the novel in the manner you suggest. And frankly, I'm not entirely sure they would have been up to the task. (My apologizes to those readers if I am mistaken. Only you know if you know how to use a semicolon.)
I'd certainly like to get better with the goal of becoming a published author. But this is my first attempt at any sort of fiction since I was in high school, so it may be a long road ahead. I think your vitriolic and untempered criticism will be, and already has been, helpful in that growth.
However...
Every so often my better sense does rear its head and I realize I have a perfectly good engineering job that pays the bills. When that happens my motivation can change to just wanting to contribute to the general happiness here at Candlekeep. Towards that end, yes, I would rather people enjoy the book. And I think there is a good chance of that happening if they decide to read it. However, I doubt more than a handful of people even on this forum dedicated to the Forgotten Realms will actually read it, gushing praise and good intentions notwithstanding.
So my intentions are admittedly a bit at odds. |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 21:58:03
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And in case not everyone has seen the list Karzak referred to earlier, it's here.
http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/
It's pretty funny though decidedly anti-DnD and anti-Robert Jordan (RIP).
The ones I think I violated: 2(kinda), 16, 27, 28(to avoid 30), 39(tough not to), 44(shamefully), 50, 72(not my world though.)
You only need to violate one to be an abject failure, alas. |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 22:07:03
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I am about half way through now and I am thoroughly involved - honestly, the cover of your book says Book I of the Hunter's Heart.
Have you started writing Book II yet? If this book does not wrap itself up, can I get a potential summary of the events expected to happen?
I have some edits I would make and have been taking some notes, I will send them to you in an e-mail.
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
And in case not everyone has seen the list Karzak referred to earlier, it's here.
http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/
It's pretty funny though decidedly anti-DnD and anti-Robert Jordan (RIP).
The ones I think I violated: 2(kinda), 16, 27, 28(to avoid 30), 39(tough not to), 44(shamefully), 50, 72(not my world though.)
You only need to violate one to be an abject failure, alas.
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fw190a8
Acolyte
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 09:19:33
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Originally posted by Karzak
"Other people do it too" isn't a good reason to do anything.
I come across this argument a lot and wholly disagree. We do things out of convention for a number of reasons. Why re-invent the wheel? Humans typically like things that are familiar, and resent change. Whilst doing something against the norm might be considered refreshing, doing everything against the norm will be alien and is less likely to work.
Mozart used the chromatic scale to compose his music. That was not original at all. Should he have invented his own scale simply to be original? I am sure he did not make this decision simply because "other people are doing it too." He would have made this decision because the intervals between the notes are pleasing to the human brain.
There is a difference between doing something unoriginal for no reason other than to copy, and doing something unoriginal because the reasons for doing it remain sound. The "fantasy prologue" serves to introduce elements of the story that can be further embellished at a later time, and introduces continuity to worlds and concepts that are often radically different from our own. It is that reasoning which explains the abundance of these prologues in fantasy writing, not simply "other people do it too." |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 11:56:03
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You know that line about lemmings and the jumping off of cliffs?
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Originally posted by fw190a8
There is a difference between doing something unoriginal for no reason other than to copy, and doing something unoriginal because the reasons for doing it remain sound.
...and? I'm objecting to precisely the former, as I would have thought was obvious from the way I phrased it.
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The "fantasy prologue" serves to introduce elements of the story that can be further embellished at a later time, and introduces continuity to worlds and concepts that are often radically different from our own. It is that reasoning which explains the abundance of these prologues in fantasy writing, not simply "other people do it too."
That implies you trust authors in general to be thoughtful and know what they are doing. I don't, especially if what I see at first glance is a hackneyed, bland narrative (which is what these rambling fantasy prologues tend to be). |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 16:09:09
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
It's tough to find beta readers. Some folks (strangers) here agreed to give it a read but I don't see how it is reasonable for me to expect them to invest the kind of time needed to really critique the novel in the manner you suggest.
I just wanted to take this chance to apologize for not being able to read through this earlier, especially when you went through the trouble of sending me the very nice bound version.
I had actually gotten through the first few chapters, and started making notes, but various events in real life got in the way often. Still, this isn't an excuse, as I'm really sorry that I "overbooked" myself and couldn't help out.
At any rate, I'm glad that other people are getting the chance to read through this now, and I wish I had been able to find the time, especially with all of the hard work it is obvious (from what I read) that you put into this project. |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 16:32:59
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| Hey, KEJR. I am not at all upset that you or anyone else was unable to get through it in the relatively short time I gave you, especially over the holiday season. I'd still love to get your comments whenever you have them. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 17:44:11
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I plan to read through this as soon as I finish The Annotated Elminster - I'm savoring every word.
Anyhow, do you want criticism? I may not be a professional, but I am VERY well-read. I doubt I'll be as harsh as Karzak, though. Even if you don't like something, there is still a polite way to put things.
If you do want criticism, is there any specific area you are looking to improve? I'm pretty good with grammar; semicolons, anyone? 
There is also story-structure, which I find far more important then good writing (else, I wouldn't be able to get through 80% of the FR novels out there).
One critique I can give you before you even start: KNOW your subject matter! I do about three months worth of in-depth research to do a 10-12 page article - saying you couldn't get through a novel series that may have contained relevant information to your own work is no way to endear yourself to me. I have read several FR novels I couldn't stand, because I NEEDED to read them. What you did is like telling a teacher "you didn't find your history book interesting, so you just made up your own stuff."
Just because Toril isn't real, doesn't mean you can just do your own thing - this is a HUGE problem with many of the official canon sources out there, as well. FR is a shared world, and everything any of us writes, even fan-fiction, should fit perfectly. I don't believe in shoe-horning with a 20 lb mallet (not that YOU did so).
I'm not aiming this at you specifically, but everyone who wants to participate in fleshing out the world we all love, so don't take it personal.
This doesn't mean a person can't do a great novel without thorough research - just look at Dan Brown - but it helps a lot to immerse a fan into the story.
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 18:18:18
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One critique I can give you before you even start: KNOW your subject matter! I do about three months worth of in-depth research to do a 10-12 page article - saying you couldn't get through a novel series that may have contained relevant information to your own work is no way to endear yourself to me. I have read several FR novels I couldn't stand, because I NEEDED to read them. What you did is like telling a teacher "you didn't find your history book interesting, so you just made up your own stuff."
That's certainly fair. In my defense The Watercourse Trilogy was unique in that I don't support the overall message of the novels and had no interest in supporting them. Which just means I should have set the action elsewhere, of course. Again, this is one of my major concerns with the book though I hope I mitigated it by avoiding the major players in Philip Athens books.
As for other criticisms, please feel free. I'd prefer story-structure comments probably but if you are willing to grammar check the thing, that'd be great. That would probably end up endearing you to me even less though. (I hope that's the right way to order that. I mean you'll really dislike me after doing all that.) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 18:35:54
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I'll avoid grammar then - thats a pretty picky thing anyway, considering all the mistakes I come across in official works.
I, too, have avoided the Watercourse Trilogy, because I have heard 'things'. Out of politeness to the author, I won't mention what I've heard, but it goes far beyond bad writing.
I had to recently re-read Once Around the Realms, because I was looking for a single reference by the demigod Monkey that appears in the novel.
Talk about painful research... 
Like I said, I'm a stickler for details, so that 'pre-emptive criticism' is probably the worst thing you'll hear out of me. |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 19:09:01
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Originally posted by Markustay
There is also story-structure, which I find far more important then good writing (else, I wouldn't be able to get through 80% of the FR novels out there).
Ah, you're saying that 80% of the FR novels contain bad writing? (Not that I disagree. 90% of everything is crud.)
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This doesn't mean a person can't do a great novel without thorough research - just look at Dan Brown - but it helps a lot to immerse a fan into the story.
Do you, er, think Dan Brown's novels are "great"? "Commercially successful because it deals in hot-button but crappily researched controversies" and "a great novel" are two very different things. Great novels may, and often do, deal with controversies; the difference is that they can stand on their own even without through good, intelligent writing - and The Da Vinci Code doesn't exactly qualify. Underneath the silly Christian fundie-railing and an appeal to uneducated atheists, all you have is mediocre, trashy thriller (roughly the cryptogeek equivalent of Harlequin romance novels). You could insist that it has excellent writing, this sort of thing being subjective and all, but I doubt anyone genuinely well-read will agree.
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That would probably end up endearing you to me even less though. (I hope that's the right way to order that. I mean you'll really dislike me after doing all that.)
No, it's not. The way you order it would read: "That would probably end up making me like you even less, though." Try "That would probably end up endearing me to you even less." |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 19:37:44
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quote:Originally posted by Ozzalum
That would probably end up endearing you to me even less though. (I hope that's the right way to order that. I mean you'll really dislike me after doing all that.)
No, it's not. The way you order it would read: "That would probably end up making me like you even less, though." Try "That would probably end up endearing me to you even less."
That is what we adventuring types call "troll bait." Next thing you no, your righting something like this; and your being torn limb from limb.
And I think we are supposed to keep the references to "silly Christian fundie-railing" to a minimum here at Candlekeep. |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 19:55:12
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Uh-oh. Someone is less than sweet about your novel and suddenly that someone's a troll. I can only imagine how many "trolls" you will encounter if you ever hand the text over to people not inclined to babysit. I can already hear the "baaaaw waaah waaaah".
Is there a reason you object to "Christian-fundie railing" but not to "uneducated atheists"? And whether Brown intended it or not, his most successful novel's gimmick rests on nothing but provoking Christians, particularly extremists. That and art historians. Possibly Parisians, since the poor stupid bastard appears completely ignorant of what Paris actually looks like, but I don't think the French were too outraged about it. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 20:11:11
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I like Dan Brown for the same reasons I like Quentin Tarantino - I just sit back and enjoy the ride. The only difference is, Tarantino admits his stories are pure BS.
And repeatedly slamming someone is in very poor taste - we already know you don't like the book.
Also, not every 'style' is suitable to everyone. There are a couple of 'must-read' fantasy novels that I thought were utter cr@p, while I enjoyed quite a few that were just 'pulp'. A person's enjoyment of a book doesn't necessarily reflect the writing talent of the author, and I think Ozzalum is basically just 'putting this out there' for people to enjoy. If it turns out to be something more, so much the better.
You need to be pretty thick-skinned to open yourself up to criticism that way, especially with the anonymity of the Internet. Just the fact that he set out to do this and completed it is worthy of praise. |
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Ozzalum
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 20:24:42
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I've tried joking with you. I've tried being serious and now I've tried joking again. I haven't tried crying yet... I'll have to get back to you on that.
In the meantime, have you considered starting a scroll here about everything you hate about DnD novels? I know that you have provided me with criticisms unique to my book, but I think those criticisms also show an underlying disdain for vast swathes of the written word. Nearly every one of your abundant critiques of my novel would make for a great topic since they are not unique to my admittedly amateur work.
To get you started, I found there was an "ing" missing on the end of a word on page 2 of Neversfall. That book was written by Ed Gentry. He has a thread here at Candlekeep. Your powers are wasted here on my small fragile ego, go forth and speak truth to power! |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 20:35:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
And repeatedly slamming someone is in very poor taste - we already know you don't like the book.
Which one?
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Also, not every 'style' is suitable to everyone. There are a couple of 'must-read' fantasy novels that I thought were utter cr@p, while I enjoyed quite a few that were just 'pulp'.
Saying something is entertaining pulp and calling it a "great novel" strike me as two things that don't mean quite the same. YMMV, and all that.
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
To get you started, I found there was an "ing" missing on the end of a word on page 2 of Neversfall.
I'm curious: why do you act as if my criticism comprised of nothing but grammatical nitpicks? Does that soften the blow of content critiques (that the prose is bland, the protagonist unengaging, the dialogue stilted, etc) or make it easier to ignore them? |
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Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 20:51:45
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As a reminder, let's make sure to keep focused on the topic of this particular thread, which is, Ozzalum's piece of fiction, not popular fiction, D&D fiction in general, or a host of other topics that we seem to be bouncing between.
Thanks all. |
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