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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 16:16:40
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Originally posted by Wooly RupertA call to arms is all well and good, but even a hundred guys with BB guns aren't a threat to a main battle tank.
Yes, we all know that you need a ninja with a sword to take out a tank. At least Storm Shadow could . . .  |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 21:44:32
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
Perhaps ED must re-think of continue publishing Forgotten Realms under the Margaret Weiss Productions, ltd (like Castlemourn) instead of Wizards of the coast (if he is able to do it)...HE and WE must NOT let wizards of the coast ruin our beloved world!!!
As nice as that would be and I'm sure Margarent would absolutely love to publish it, Wizards & Hasbro own Forgotten Realms until they break the licensing agreement they have for it, and the only way they can break it is if they stop publishing it... which means they can't make money off it anymore. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 03:11:33
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
Perhaps ED must re-think of continue publishing Forgotten Realms under the Margaret Weiss Productions, ltd (like Castlemourn) instead of Wizards of the coast (if he is able to do it)...HE and WE must NOT let wizards of the coast ruin our beloved world!!!
As nice as that would be and I'm sure Margarent would absolutely love to publish it, Wizards & Hasbro own Forgotten Realms until they break the licensing agreement they have for it, and the only way they can break it is if they stop publishing it... which means they can't make money off it anymore.
Well, as far as I can see it (take a look at the FRCG cover), the Realms logo is no more... The FRCG has "Dungeons and Dragons" on the cover in bold letter, with the reference to FR as a subtitle, as an afterthought.
I wonder why they keep publishing the Realms? if there's so much FR haters out there, wouldn't stopping Realms publication and say, publish Greyhawk products instead be a more effective means to cater to these Realms-haters than publishing Realms products that are Realms-no-more? |
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Venger
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 05:36:22
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Well, as far as I can see it (take a look at the FRCG cover), the Realms logo is no more... The FRCG has "Dungeons and Dragons" on the cover in bold letter, with the reference to FR as a subtitle, as an afterthought.
Forgotten Realms is written pretty big on the cover. Hardly an afterthought.
I wouldn't read anything negative into that, though. They're likely doing it that way so that new D&D players who see Realms books on the shelves know that they're D&D books. At a glance, 3E Realms books like like they're books for some other game, not D&D. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 16:07:43
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Sigh...
3.X FR books looked fantastic though... but I see your point. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 19:00:40
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Did I miss something and they released the new cover art.. because like 2 weeks ago Rich said the cover with Drizzt on it...
http://www.enworld.org/images/4e/p4e_frcs.jpg
...isn't the final cover, it's just placeholder art.
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"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
Edited by - SirUrza on 13 Jan 2008 19:06:05 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 19:30:43
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It still might be placeholder?
Or perhaps somebody changed mind?
*shrugs*
I am not worried about a cover, I am worried about what is between the cover. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 20:55:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
Perhaps ED must re-think of continue publishing Forgotten Realms under the Margaret Weiss Productions, ltd (like Castlemourn) instead of Wizards of the coast (if he is able to do it)...
HE and WE must NOT let wizards of the coast ruin our beloved world!!!
As we've said before, Ed does not have that choice. WotC owns the Realms, so they can do with it as they please. His choices are to run with the changes or bail on the setting, and he's trying to run with the changes to mitigate the damage. Our choices are to buy 4E Realms products, or to leave them sitting on store shelves, gathering dust.
A call to arms is all well and good, but even a hundred guys with BB guns aren't a threat to a main battle tank.
So the sollution for us is to stop buying Forgotten realms Products(in the case that these are Harmful for our campaign setting) in order to stop Wizards DESTROYING FAERUN by publishing books for FR and let ED continue with a new publishing company... ... ... that is not a bad idea...at all....!!
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 21:44:30
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| Except it'll never happen. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 21:59:55
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Except it'll never happen.
Well boycotts can work if it holds together long enough. However odds are low a sucessful boycott can be organizied and maintained long enough for WotC and/or their overlords recoginise a fix is needed.
The boycott would need to be at least one year long of a majority of fans of existing Realms, it also would need to be organizied and funded to some extent. A Boycott needs spokepeople and also at minimun a list of numbers participating. Also a list of expectaions that could be workable for WotC.
All in all unless there is far more outrage indeed it will not work. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 23:09:23
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| I always get perplexed when people call for boycotts. I'm not planning on buying any 4th edition stuff, because it doesn't suit me. But if it works for someone else, so be it. All I would ask is that people buy products because they really want the product, and not because they hope that if they buy it, eventually WOTC will "fix" what they have already done. Other than that, buy what you want, but be sure you don't buy out of impulse or without thinking. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 23:31:55
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In part because most boycotts do not hold together long enough or are not wide spread enough. Sometimes of course boycotts are not well defined as well.
The boycott of Iran certain procucts and the former one against Iraq clearly not working even though the demand was fairly well defined, because the Nation community as a whole did not agree to it.
I am not sure there can even be a well defined goal for any boycott against WotC, different fans want different things and a common goal likely unlikely to be agreed to.
The only difference between a boycott and deciding not to buy on an individual base is a defined goal and letting the traget of boycott know the defined goal in hope there will be change in policy.
If 90 percent of current purchasers do not like 4th Edition (core or settings) and choose not to purchase on an individual basics WotC will not kbow why sales that disappeared. They could guess, perhaps do market reseach and so on.
OTOH the basic tone/sense of it is that the target sales are expected from new people to expand the game base. I am sure they expect to lose some existing fans, but expect the new blood will make up for it.
It does strike me as unlikely that entime existing would agree to a boycott of any kind that would concern WotC or Hasbro. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Venger
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 11:08:34
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Did I miss something and they released the new cover art.. because like 2 weeks ago Rich said the cover with Drizzt on it...
http://www.enworld.org/images/4e/p4e_frcs.jpg
...isn't the final cover, it's just placeholder art.
The logo can be accurate, even though the art is a placeholder. |
"Beware what you say when you speak of magic, wizard, or you shall see who has the greater power." |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 16:09:44
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| I finally got to read this boo, and it brought up even more questions then I had before. the entry on dragonborn really confused me. First, killing off dieties is pathological with these people. second, did they actually kill off Tiamat? as for the Eldarin, are we going to be able to play both types?they've done away with Aasimars because it sounds like a word they appearantly don't use. as for Warlocks being a base class, that I actually agree with. However, I do beleive then, that they should get rid of Sorcerers. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2008 : 14:29:52
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Originally posted by Aravine
However, I do beleive then, that they should get rid of Sorcerers.
The reason Sorcerer exists, and it's a good reason, is that the PHB is mostly spells. A large number of those spells are all Wizard spells. Back when they were finalizing 3.0, they realized that it didn't make sense to have all that space dedicated to spells for just 1 character class. Hence, the Sorcerer. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 02:14:53
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Originally posted by Aravine
I finally got to read this boo, and it brought up even more questions then I had before. the entry on dragonborn really confused me. First, killing off dieties is pathological with these people.
Huh?
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second, did they actually kill off Tiamat?
Nope. She will be in 4E.
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as for the Eldarin, are we going to be able to play both types?
What do you mean "both types"? If you're asking if people can be "elfy" eladrins and celestial eladrins in 4E, the answer is no--in 4E eladrins are just one type of elf-creature, and that's it--they aren't celestials anymore.
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they've done away with Aasimars because it sounds like a word they appearantly don't use.
There are going to be Aasimars in 4E, they just won't be called aasimars, because yes, it sounds like "ass".
I recommend getting Worlds and Monsters if you thought Races and Classes was useful. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 04:09:13
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Aravine
However, I do beleive then, that they should get rid of Sorcerers.
The reason Sorcerer exists, and it's a good reason, is that the PHB is mostly spells. A large number of those spells are all Wizard spells. Back when they were finalizing 3.0, they realized that it didn't make sense to have all that space dedicated to spells for just 1 character class. Hence, the Sorcerer.
I love the sorcerer. I don't think the creation of the class had anything to do with spell lists, either... The idea of not being limited by what you memorized today is a very good one. |
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Vangelor
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 18:32:16
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Originally posted by Aravine
...as for the Eldarin, are we going to be able to play both types?
3.5 Monster Manual Eldarin are not 4e Eldarin at all. Basically, "high elves" are now called Eldarin - they are the magically adept elves (Moon and Sun Elves in our current FR parlance). Woodsy archer elves are just called "elves".
I wonder if Wizards' legal team has realized that "Eldarin" as a classification of fantasy elf is a pure Tolkienism.
What the hell I am going to do with my wild elf bard, I don't know. Probably continue to play him under 3.5 unless 4e bards somehow wind up closer to his concept. |
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