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freyar
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 17:07:27
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Ok, so I've gone and looked in the FRCS and the 2e arcane age sourcebooks Cormanthyr and Netheril, looking for what the phaerimm might really want (especially now that they're loose in 1370s Faerun). But other than wanting their home to be left unpolluted by Netherese magic and a vague desire "to end all life" (or something like that), I find very little. Anyone know of more information on what really motivates the phaerimm? Or for that matter, anything about their ecology.
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 19:56:46
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Good question.
What exactly is it that the average magic wielding, maniacal wind sock full of ego wants out of life?
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Alisttair
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 13:34:06
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| To have complete control of all magic and hoard it all to themselves maybe? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 15:34:55
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Originally posted by Alisttair
To have complete control of all magic and hoard it all to themselves maybe?
But the question is still 'why?' |
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freyar
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 16:03:59
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Based on these responses, I guess there isn't a good long source on phaerimms. Any fellow scribes interested in working this out with me? 
My first thought is that they keep a number of underdark races as slaves (heck, they are evil aberrations after all) but mostly want to keep to the underdark, waging turf wars with beholders, illithids, etc. However, they are particularly sensitive to the use of magic and get "environmental" problems from overuse of the weave, as during Netheril. This has led a large group of phaerimms to the conclusion that all other magic-using races must be either destroyed or enslaved. An interesting thought I had (based on physical appearance only) is that the wyste (from MM2) is a phaerimm that has been poisoned by magical pollution.
What do you think? |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 16:27:10
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Alisttair
To have complete control of all magic and hoard it all to themselves maybe?
But the question is still 'why?'
Why does any being crave absolute power? Greed? Hunger? Something simply innate in them perhaps? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 16:57:51
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Why does any being crave absolute power? Greed? Hunger? Something simply innate in them perhaps?
But the question is still unanswered. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 17:26:20
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Originally posted by freyar
An interesting thought I had (based on physical appearance only) is that the wyste (from MM2) is a phaerimm that has been poisoned by magical pollution.
What do you think?
I don't think so. The description gives absolutely no hint which would back up this assumption. Even their appearance doesn't match the Phaerimm exactly because they lack arms. |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 17:51:17
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| Well, to me it has always seemed like they are paranoid megalomaniacs. Anything that can be a threat to them must be controlled or destroyed. No one is to be trusted. One could say that they were driven by fear. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 18:06:14
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According to the Ruins of Myth Drannor...'the phaerimm desire to expand their power to rule a human surface realm without incurring the wrath of an assembled human army, a host of baatezu or Sharn, or magically-strong foes.'
Since they each spend their existence plotting against each other...doesn't seem likely, does it? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 00:17:34
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| No it doesn't. |
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freyar
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 04:41:24
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
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Originally posted by freyar
An interesting thought I had (based on physical appearance only) is that the wyste (from MM2) is a phaerimm that has been poisoned by magical pollution.
What do you think?
I don't think so. The description gives absolutely no hint which would back up this assumption. Even their appearance doesn't match the Phaerimm exactly because they lack arms.
Actually, they have seven tentacles around their mouth openings, which could be some sort of mutated arms. Since phaerimm gain claw attacks (and therefore arms) as they age, this doesn't seem like much of a stretch. The shape and size aren't bad, but I do agree that blindsight vs full vision is a bit different. |
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freyar
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 04:43:36
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Originally posted by GRYPHON
According to the Ruins of Myth Drannor...'the phaerimm desire to expand their power to rule a human surface realm without incurring the wrath of an assembled human army, a host of baatezu or Sharn, or magically-strong foes.'
Since they each spend their existence plotting against each other...doesn't seem likely, does it?
Kind of like a lot of beholders, sounds like.  I didn't have that bit of info, thanks! |
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GRYPHON
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 12:02:38
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| It is in the 2E boxed set... |
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nbnmare
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 12:12:10
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Originally posted by freyar
Kind of like a lot of beholders, sounds like. I didn't have that bit of info, thanks!
Kind of like numerous types of creature, in fact  (dopplegangers spring immediately to mind). |
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Matthus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 12:24:43
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I don’t think we will be able to understand such alien minds. All comparisons with human motivations will surly get the wrong end – at least this it what I tell me to “understand” the aberration types.
The toppling of Netheril was a reaction for destroying their homes through the enormous usage of magic from the mages above – that motivation is crystal-clear and understandable to me. As to why they started the war against Evereska there are questions left open imo.
But why they are, and what they want beyond that – this is one of the mysteries of such races .
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 16:55:26
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Originally posted by Matthus
The toppling of Netheril was a reaction for destroying their homes through the enormous usage of magic from the mages above – that motivation is crystal-clear and understandable to me. As to why they started the war against Evereska there are questions left open imo.
When they left their prison, they felt the enormous magical presence of the mythal nearby … which made them drooling … |
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