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Zaknafein
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 Posted - 28 May 2003 : 02:59:54
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Ok, i have had this question for some time and all i want to know is why is it spelled Cormanthor in Ed Greenwood's Elminster in Myth Drannor, and in almost every other source it is spelled Cormanthyr?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 May 2003 : 08:22:00
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The main difference between the two listings of names, is, basically this - The Kingdom of CORMANTHYR is the empire of Elves in Faerun, while CORMANTHOR is the great forest where the kingdom is mostly located.
Elminster's adventures in Elminster in Myth Drannor occured throughout the forest realm of CORMANTHOR. The campaign expansion CORMANTHYR - Empire of Elves details the entire elven kingdom, families, and everything else associated with the CORMANTHYR Kingdom.
It is also why the 'Lost Empires' novel - The Lost Library of Cormanthyr details the adventures concerning the events surrounding the library of the Kingdom of CORMANTHYR.
Hope that helps,
(Sorry for all the capitals but it helps to make the point easier to follow  )
Good learning...
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 28 May 2003 : 17:05:34
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And to add to what Sage of Perth has correctly noted, I think that prior to the raising of the mythal, the city known now as Myth Drannor was named Cormanthor.
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Zaknafein
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Posted - 28 May 2003 : 23:29:07
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| ok, thanks. Yes, i did know why it was called Myth Drannor, I just didnt know the forest realm was named Cormanthor |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 May 2003 : 01:25:40
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| I don't think this is quite right. Cormanthor is the physical forest and also the city that becomes Myth Drannor; Cormanthyr is the elven realm that encompasses the forest of Cormanthor. Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves p. 26 explains in most detail. In Elminster in Myth Drannor the elves refer to the city of Cormanthor a lot, where you may be expecting them to talk about the realm of Cormanthyr. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 May 2003 : 09:27:26
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The FRCS 3e, and the most up-to-date official information regarding the Realms clearly states the differences in names, located in the Cormanthyr entry, in that book.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Sep 2018 : 04:20:50
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Master Sage,
This kind of material is exactly why I very much enjoy this site so much. The fine details that help us all enjoy these fine Realms that much more!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by The Sage
The main difference between the two listings of names, is, basically this - The Kingdom of CORMANTHYR is the empire of Elves in Faerun, while CORMANTHOR is the great forest where the kingdom is mostly located.
Elminster's adventures in Elminster in Myth Drannor occured throughout the forest realm of CORMANTHOR. The campaign expansion CORMANTHYR - Empire of Elves details the entire elven kingdom, families, and everything else associated with the CORMANTHYR Kingdom.
It is also why the 'Lost Empires' novel - The Lost Library of Cormanthyr details the adventures concerning the events surrounding the library of the Kingdom of CORMANTHYR.
Hope that helps,
(Sorry for all the capitals but it helps to make the point easier to follow )
Good learning...
- The Sage of Perth: For all your Realms Lore needs
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2018 : 14:02:40
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I strongly recommend those who don't have them look on ebay or the PDF sites and get copies of all the old 1st and 2nd Edition material.
It is so rich with details and if you have not read it, you can't know the realms very well at all. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 27 Sep 2018 : 15:20:25
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Indeed. Even the old Wizards site had lots of fun PDFs. Speaking of which.
From Cormanthyr (Elvish Lessons sidebar):
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Much confusion arises over the mixing of terms and the recording of the same into Common and other more accessible languages. Much of the subtlety of Elvish is lost in the translation, and even today, four centuries after the entrance of the
N'Tel'Quess into Myth Drannor, there are those who confuse the forest, city, and realm.
* The physical forest of the elves is Cormanthor; pronounce the word as <kor-manth-OR> and stress the last syllable to mean "the King's Vow Forest."
* The original capitol city (and still the great center of Myth Drannor) is Cormanthor; pronounce the word as <kor-MANTH-or>, stressing the middle syllable, means "Place of Great Promise."
* Cormanthor, when pronounced as <KOR-manth-or> is a reference to the ruler of the realm as "King of the Oathlands" or "Ruler of the Forest True." This term is rarely used by gold or moon elves, but is considered a title of honor among the sylvan elves; the use of this term is identical to the human clans' referring to their clan leader by the clan name as a gender-neutral title ("the Umathar of Clan Umathar").
* The political construct of the realm, the nation, all the settlements under one government are all Cormanthyr; <kor-manth-EER> translates to both "the Fulfillment of Promise" and "Culmination of Hope and Faith."
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2018 : 16:20:55
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Master Mage,
I couldn't agree more. I have had mine since they were published, and unfortunately for those who are looking to get them now they are terribly expensive most of the time, however I must say that it is awesome being able to go to your expansive shelves and get what is needed in person, between your fingers to get what lore you need in the ole fashion!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I strongly recommend those who don't have them look on ebay or the PDF sites and get copies of all the old 1st and 2nd Edition material.
It is so rich with details and if you have not read it, you can't know the realms very well at all.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2018 : 16:22:00
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Master TBeholder,
I will say as well that the PDF's are quite nice too. While I do have everything printed of the Realms, I have to say for the purposes of scanning the material via a pdf, it is very valuable indeed! It makes researching lore vastly quicker.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Indeed. Even the old Wizards site had lots of fun PDFs. Speaking of which.
From Cormanthyr (Elvish Lessons sidebar):
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Much confusion arises over the mixing of terms and the recording of the same into Common and other more accessible languages. Much of the subtlety of Elvish is lost in the translation, and even today, four centuries after the entrance of the
N'Tel'Quess into Myth Drannor, there are those who confuse the forest, city, and realm.
* The physical forest of the elves is Cormanthor; pronounce the word as <kor-manth-OR> and stress the last syllable to mean "the King's Vow Forest."
* The original capitol city (and still the great center of Myth Drannor) is Cormanthor; pronounce the word as <kor-MANTH-or>, stressing the middle syllable, means "Place of Great Promise."
* Cormanthor, when pronounced as <KOR-manth-or> is a reference to the ruler of the realm as "King of the Oathlands" or "Ruler of the Forest True." This term is rarely used by gold or moon elves, but is considered a title of honor among the sylvan elves; the use of this term is identical to the human clans' referring to their clan leader by the clan name as a gender-neutral title ("the Umathar of Clan Umathar").
* The political construct of the realm, the nation, all the settlements under one government are all Cormanthyr; <kor-manth-EER> translates to both "the Fulfillment of Promise" and "Culmination of Hope and Faith."
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