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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 06:05:09
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After reading a bit about the Lich Aumvor...I wonder if he will play any part in the new Empire of Netheril that is supposed to be reborn in the future?
Also, would the Princes of Shade even consider working with him in any capacity?
Could so many remaining remnants of Netheril cause the new "empire" to actually be a bickering group of factions bent on being the "true" rulers of the Empire of Netheril?
Anyone have any thoughts?
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 00:06:24
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I don't like Aumvor myself. And the Princes of Shade have things under control. They will get their goals accomplished with the might of the Shade Enclave.  |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 00:09:26
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Aye, I agree...but what other forces may come against them?
Aumvor is a match for any Prince...Telemont would give him a good run though.
What I'm saying is that what if multiple interested parties ALL try to refound Netheril? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:04:11
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I don't like Aumvor 'cuz he's ugly.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:11:39
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Wasn't Aumvor your vote for "Who's [DEFINITELY] not hot" in the Realms, Rino? 
I kind of like Aumvor, myself. Though I think a lot of people tend to forget that Aumvor was "stocky" and "fat" even before he was a lich. He's only grown more obese since entering the ranks of lichdom.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:12:45
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Originally posted by The Sage
Wasn't Aumvor your vote for "Who's [DEFINITELY] not hot" in the Realms, Rino?
Yes!
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I kind of like Aumvor, myself. Though I think a lot of people tend to forget that Aumvor was "stocky" and "fat" even before he was a lich. He's only grown more obese since entering the ranks of lichdom.
That's disgusting! |
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:37:47
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Sage
[quote]I kind of like Aumvor, myself. Though I think a lot of people tend to forget that Aumvor was "stocky" and "fat" even before he was a lich. He's only grown more obese since entering the ranks of lichdom.
That's disgusting!
Agreed and I hate to sound like a simpleton, but how does a lich get chubbier if he doesn't eat anymore? |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:45:46
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Because his body is so bloated with death...
So nobody has any thought on the Empire of Netheril? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:51:13
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
Agreed and I hate to sound like a simpleton, but how does a lich get chubbier if he doesn't eat anymore?
It may be that the process of lichdom itself, or just the magics involved, greatly emphasized Aumvor's already "fat" and "stocky" form when he became a lich. The process apparently generated his vastly bloated form, which led to the distending of his slimy skin from his skeletal frame.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:54:50
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Indeed, I was wondering the same thing as Lady Fellshot. Thanks for the information, icky as it was... |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 15:48:21
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| I don't see him joining the new empire of Netheril. I also don't see him having much feeling for Telamont, as Shadow wasn't around until the end of the Empire, correct? So, in my view, Aumvor would probably have seen Telamont as an up and coming nuisance? |
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Xysma
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 16:04:13
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A quote from CoR:
"The return of the Shadovar to the Realms has disrupted many of
Aumvor’s plans, but also provided the Undying One with great
opportunities. The lich has yet to approach the inhabitants of
Shade or make himself known to them. Instead, he has chosen to
observe the shades as they investigate many sites he has already
plundered. Of course, the Shadovar also pose a great threat to
the lich, for he holds much of the lost Netherese lore that they
seek, and, once they become aware of his position, the Princes
of Shade might well hunt him down without mercy." |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 16:15:27
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Originally posted by Xysma
I like mostly because he is so ugly.
Also serious. 
His appearance certainly is...memorable...*grimaces* |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 00:26:09
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Originally posted by Xysma
A quote from CoR:
"The return of the Shadovar to the Realms has disrupted many of
Aumvor’s plans, but also provided the Undying One with great
opportunities. The lich has yet to approach the inhabitants of
Shade or make himself known to them. Instead, he has chosen to
observe the shades as they investigate many sites he has already
plundered. Of course, the Shadovar also pose a great threat to
the lich, for he holds much of the lost Netherese lore that they
seek, and, once they become aware of his position, the Princes
of Shade might well hunt him down without mercy."
That is essentially what I was thinking about...but doesn't he have a veritable army at his disposal as well if he so chooses? If he wants to rebuild Netheril...then he wouldn't want someone else to do it first and him be seen as a would-be attacker instead of THE TRUE ruler. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 05:39:30
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
That is essentially what I was thinking about...but doesn't he have a veritable army at his disposal as well if he so chooses? If he wants to rebuild Netheril...then he wouldn't want someone else to do it first and him be seen as a would-be attacker instead of THE TRUE ruler.
I see a difference, albeit a subtle one, in the goals of Aumvor and the Princes of Shade. Aumvor has worked behind the scenes since the fall of Netheril to manipulate Netherese descendents into discovering ancient Netherese traditions. In my mind, Aumvor seeks a return of the Netherese Empire while the Shades seek to create a new Empire of Shade, merely using Netherese magics as a means to that end.
Aumvor probably doesn't want to throw in his lot with the Shades because of this difference combined with the fact that he couldn't just step in as ruler. Further, as a lich his plans are likely designed to come to fruition over a very long period of time. While he may have agents in place throughout Faerun, many are not even aware of his involvement, so mustering a force strong enough to take on the Princes of Shade is probably not even an option. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 15:33:25
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| I was just under the impression that Aumvor could raise legions of soldiers by use of his "Living Zombies" method. I would vote that the Shades would smash his forces; but I'm just not all that informed about Aumvor. |
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Xysma
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 03:26:03
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
I was just under the impression that Aumvor could raise legions of soldiers by use of his "Living Zombies" method. I would vote that the Shades would smash his forces; but I'm just not all that informed about Aumvor.
From reading CoR, the living zombies seem to have been a means to continue his existence by feeding on their life force that isn't mentioned ofter he became a lich. You're probably right that he could create legions of undead, but (and this is just my opinion) it doesn't seem like his style. An extremely paranoid lich that has intentionally kept to the shadows for centuries before and after Karsus' Folly is not likely to engage in all out war unless there is no other option. To me it seems that Aumvor's primary concern is his own continued existence even moreso than the rebirth of the Netherese Empire because he sees the two as intrinsically linked. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 17:15:13
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I wonder what part Selunarra will play in the 4E Realms? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 05:49:59
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
After reading a bit about the Lich Aumvor...I wonder if he will play any part in the new Empire of Netheril that is supposed to be reborn in the future?
Also, would the Princes of Shade even consider working with him in any capacity?
Indirectly, he might help the Shadovar in restoring Netheril, like crushing their enemies or providing reliable intelligence. Though I doubt if he'd make his presence known to the Shadovar, for fear of being forced to serve as a lackey. Telamont will never share his throne with anyone, so everyone else is basically his "servants." |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 13:24:56
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Aumvor's obesity might be explained with his appetite even in lichdom continuing to remain. If a lich compulsively remains eating food the excess and putrid remains would clog his dead intestines and bloat his form indefinitely. I see Aumvor eating snacks just for the mental pleasure it gives him.
Aumvor seems to be able to take on the slightly more powerful Telamont in a spellbattle, because of his lichdom, personal wealth and his selfmade epic necromantic spells. But the Shades have a already functioning empire at their disposal and would crush him if they focused all their attention on the obese Netherese lich. I think Aumvor wouldn't hesitate if he was discovered. He'd offer his allegiance to the Shades but would hamstring the Shades at every opportunity he found, until he could take over Telamonts position. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 23:33:41
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Aumvor's obesity might be explained with his appetite even in lichdom continuing to remain. If a lich compulsively remains eating food the excess and putrid remains would clog his dead intestines and bloat his form indefinitely. I see Aumvor eating snacks just for the mental pleasure it gives him.
Aumvor seems to be able to take on the slightly more powerful Telamont in a spellbattle, because of his lichdom, personal wealth and his selfmade epic necromantic spells. But the Shades have a already functioning empire at their disposal and would crush him if they focused all their attention on the obese Netherese lich. I think Aumvor wouldn't hesitate if he was discovered. He'd offer his allegiance to the Shades but would hamstring the Shades at every opportunity he found, until he could take over Telamonts position.
By the Stats I have seen. Tanthul is probably about even with Aumvor in a spellbattle. Aumvor has the advantage of being able to fight and risk nothing due to his splintered phylactery of course. The best course of action vs him would be to imprison him.
Small chance of that bolded part unless he somehow convinces Rivalen too. We need to keep in mind that Rivalen has advanced an unknown amount of levels in gaining a small fraction of Divine essence. And is possibly an equal to the Most high now. |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 02:51:23
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| Perhaps Aumvor is biding his time, and observing what Shade Enclave does in it's current dealings. It already has a gun to Sembia's head, it's got agents provocateur practically everywhere, and is heavily involved in the Neverwinter skirmish. He could be waiting to see if they overextend themselves, and either offer aid or try to take a place in the new hierarchy, or fail miserably and step in. Considering who one of Netheril's opponents in the Neverwinter 'question' is, they may be more than a little reluctant to even speak with him. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 04:48:30
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He'd offer his allegiance to the Shades but would hamstring the Shades at every opportunity he found, until he could take over Telamonts position.
Small chance of that bolded part unless he somehow convinces Rivalen too. We need to keep in mind that Rivalen has advanced an unknown amount of levels in gaining a small fraction of Divine essence. And is possibly an equal to the Most high now.
Agreed. Plus it isn't that easy to outwit the Most High, despite Hadrhune's absence.
I don't think Aumvor would risk facing Telamont on a one on one battle. In the first place, Telamont prefers not to fight alone. If Aumvor has 60+ lich-lackeys in his behest, he might get rid of some of Telamont's servitors. Usurping the Most High's throne is quite a long shot. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 07:03:45
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Originally posted by Bladewind
He'd offer his allegiance to the Shades but would hamstring the Shades at every opportunity he found, until he could take over Telamonts position.
Small chance of that bolded part unless he somehow convinces Rivalen too. We need to keep in mind that Rivalen has advanced an unknown amount of levels in gaining a small fraction of Divine essence. And is possibly an equal to the Most high now.
Agreed. Plus it isn't that easy to outwit the Most High, despite Hadrhune's absence.
I don't think Aumvor would risk facing Telamont on a one on one battle. In the first place, Telamont prefers not to fight alone. If Aumvor has 60+ lich-lackeys in his behest, he might get rid of some of Telamont's servitors. Usurping the Most High's throne is quite a long shot.
You are thinking of Larloch. Aumvor does not have 60 slave liches like Larloch does |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 07:30:12
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He'd offer his allegiance to the Shades but would hamstring the Shades at every opportunity he found, until he could take over Telamonts position.
Small chance of that bolded part unless he somehow convinces Rivalen too. We need to keep in mind that Rivalen has advanced an unknown amount of levels in gaining a small fraction of Divine essence. And is possibly an equal to the Most high now.
Agreed. Plus it isn't that easy to outwit the Most High, despite Hadrhune's absence.
I don't think Aumvor would risk facing Telamont on a one on one battle. In the first place, Telamont prefers not to fight alone. If Aumvor has 60+ lich-lackeys in his behest, he might get rid of some of Telamont's servitors. Usurping the Most High's throne is quite a long shot.
You are thinking of Larloch. Aumvor does not have 60 slave liches like Larloch does
I'm quite aware Larloch has 60+ lich-servitors, hence the word if in my previous post. In other words, Aumvor is not powerful nor stupid enough to fight Telamont, not when the latter has an entire empire in his command. |
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Quale
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 12:26:52
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| it would be funny if he just burst one day, no adventurers around |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 13:17:04
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it would be funny if he just burst one day, no adventurers around
'Tis a good thing then that he's got 200+ phylacteries. Maybe he'd long ago foreseen his bulimia would cause his own "deaths." |
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Bladewind
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 15:50:59
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Icky.
Aumvor has a magic item, spellbook and arcane lore advantage of several centuries over Telamont. Aumvors best coarse of action would be Soulshattering Princes of Shade and possesing their 'corpses' to spy on Telamont. He can also spy on Telamont and his sons with his possesion of a crystal ball imbued with true seeing. I don't see it as impossible for him to take over the Shade enclave if he can catch them unaware.
Telamonts reliance on the Shadowweave makes him slightly reduced in evocation and transmutation spells. It's a shame not all of Telamont stats are available (if only to see if he cheated in his build as much as Aumvor did: Aumvor has an inflated base attack and wizard level). Aumvors spell lore is likely greater though, he's said to have every spell available in FR's printed sources. Telamont has had only a few years to collect a proper 'modernized' spell collection. I'd give Aumvor the edge in a spellduel because of this. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 15:57:56
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If Aumvor manages to deflect the Chosen's silverfire or bind an archdevil as Telamont had, then maybe I'd give him the edge. |
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Marc
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 17:06:06
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| if Aumvor is a bloatmage he could eat silverfire for dinner |
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