| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
 Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 03:59:55
|
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
kuje, I don't really about the Seven Sisters though... They are all immortal and possess a lot of power in the Realms. I guess it's deity's choice of their offspring. For example, the offspring of the orc deities Gruumsh and Luthic, Bahgtru, is a lesser deity. Maybe it's how much power the deity divulge to their offsprings? I say this because Bhaal had many offsprings and maybe he just gave them all very little powers...
I can agree that it might depend on how much power the deity grants thier offspring. Yes they Seven Sisters have a lot of power and the like but they are not deities themselves. :)
Maybe Bhaal's blood was to diluted or some thing, it's hard to say and as we said the Bhaalspawn were originally created in 2e so 2e had different rules on such things. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
 |
|
|
Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 13:36:19
|
| baldurs gate 2 was so funn and maney of them where powerful.... |
|
|
|
PyrateJenni
Acolyte
20 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2004 : 20:41:16
|
I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?
|
"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense." -- Tom Clancy_ |
|
|
|
Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2004 : 23:20:40
|
As noted earlier there was a Dragon article on Bhaalspwan characters, if you don't consider Dragon official then take this next part into consideration. In the poorly written novels the main hero choose not to accept his father's heritage, once he chose not to accept godhood, Bhaal's realm dissolved. In one of the current source book (which the title escapes my memory at the moment)from Wizards, this sourcebook gave descriptions of the Planes and which god/goddess lived on it. There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.
Overall, it is up to the dm on whatever he considers 'canon' or not.
My two coppers worth,
Bakra
P.S. Once I make it back to the bookstore I will get the name of that sourcebook and the page number the sentence was on. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
|
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 00:16:56
|
quote:
Originally posted by PyrateJenni
I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?
Ed was asked by WOTC to write that sourcebook so it ties into the games, just like Pools of Radiance:Attack on Myth Drannor, or Curse of the Azure Bonds, or Ruins of Adventure does for some of the older and newer games that also had novels for them.
Jim Butler said it best. :)
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0003E&L=realms-l&P=R12457 |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
Edited by - Kuje on 26 Apr 2004 03:21:09 |
|
|
|
Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 01:16:52
|
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
In one of the current source book (which the title escapes my memory at the moment)from Wizards, this sourcebook gave descriptions of the Planes and which god/goddess lived on it. There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.
Overall, it is up to the dm on whatever he considers 'canon' or not.
PGtF, page 165, under the Lost Planes heading. |
Edited by - Arivia on 26 Apr 2004 01:18:33 |
|
|
|
Israfel666
Acolyte
Italy
37 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2004 : 23:27:09
|
quote:
Originally posted by PyrateJenni
I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?
Volo's Guide to BG2 is related to the Bhaalspawn saga only in that it acts as a guide to the same places that you visit in the Shadows of Amn video game. It has nothing or very little to do with the game itself. But if you have a friend that just played BG2 and you want to introduce him to tabletop FR, then Volo's Guide is an excellent idea ;)
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.
That sentence only implies that Bhaal is dead, which would have been true with or without the Bhaalspawn saga (as presented in the novels). |
Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus. |
|
|
|
Jeff_K
Acolyte
USA
5 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 21:58:41
|
| You've lost me with all this talk of "canon". I've been a Forgotten Realms fan for 5 years, and yet everyone seems to know more about it than me. Where do you get this information? |
|
|
|
Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 23:44:49
|
"Canon" is an old religious term about what is official. No matter if a game was released with the FR logo on it, saying it was in the realms, it doesn't "count" because the officials say it doesn't. Which leads me to ask why it was released as an FR product... but still.
And as for your time as a FR fan... some of these guys have been avidly reading everything for, quite literally, decades. It is not surprising that in that time they have amassed a lot of knowledge about the Realms.
|
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
|
|
|
the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 05:16:40
|
As far as I am concerned the books and games are not canon. Thats not saying there are no Bhaalspawn in my FR but that the Events of BG has not happened.
It's as was mentioned before like everything it's up to the DM what is canon and what isn't. Funny that I chose not to use any events in my game but I have hinted that someof the events in Neverwinter Nights may be happening in my world. However what I am including is nowhere near the complet events of the game.
However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game. |
Run run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man...
The Arcane Brotherhood, Wizards of the Sword Coast. |
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 06:15:36
|
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
As far as I am concerned the books and games are not canon. Thats not saying there are no Bhaalspawn in my FR but that the Events of BG has not happened.
It's as was mentioned before like everything it's up to the DM what is canon and what isn't. Funny that I chose not to use any events in my game but I have hinted that someof the events in Neverwinter Nights may be happening in my world. However what I am including is nowhere near the complet events of the game. He also wrote a sourcebook to tie in with those games, as I mentioned many months ago in this thread.
However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game.
That's nice but this isn't how it works.
There is the official canon from TSR/WOTC and then there is the homebrew canon for each of our games. Ed, the creator of the world, has said there has to be a official company canon and if you, or I, or anyone, as a DM, wants to change that then thats fine. But according to the official TSR canon the Bhaalspawn saga exists since it was written up in Dragon and given novels and Ed also supplied notes for those games most likely.
So there is a major difference between what your version of the setting is and what my version of the setting is and what TSR'S/WOTC's version of the setting is and we were discussing the TSR/WOTC version so they are canon. This isn't that hard to understand. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
Edited by - Kuje on 27 Nov 2004 07:26:45 |
|
|
|
Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 06:58:19
|
| Right, there is no choice about what is or is not canon, it either is, or is not, like the color blue. You can use or not use, or alter, or ignore canon, but used or not it is still canon. |
Shadows of War: Tales of a Mercenary
My first stab at realms fiction, here at candlekeep. Stop on by and tell me what you think. |
Edited by - Capn Charlie on 27 Nov 2004 07:44:49 |
|
|
|
the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 07:07:20
|
I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine.... |
Run run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man...
The Arcane Brotherhood, Wizards of the Sword Coast. |
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 07:20:39
|
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine....
It's not how I see it. It's how the companies who make FR material see it. How the game designers see it. How the novel authors see it. There is a official TSR/WOTC canon and then there is homebrew canon. It has always been this way and it continues to be this way. I wish I could think like that. I don't use half the Realms Shaking Events so then, by that reasoning, they never happened in official Realms canon. I wish! |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
Edited by - Kuje on 27 Nov 2004 07:47:18 |
|
|
|
the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 15:16:30
|
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine....
It's not how I see it. It's how the companies who make FR material see it. How the game designers see it. How the novel authors see it. There is a official TSR/WOTC canon and then there is homebrew canon. It has always been this way and it continues to be this way. I wish I could think like that. I don't use half the Realms Shaking Events so then, by that reasoning, they never happened in official Realms canon. I wish!
I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...
I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.
The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon  ) |
Run run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man...
The Arcane Brotherhood, Wizards of the Sword Coast. |
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 17:43:12
|
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...
I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.
The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon )
That's nice but I say again that's not how it works.
There is again your canon and my canon and then there is the official TSR/WOTC canon which is the only official canon. Everything else is hombrew. If you don't like it, fine. But I guarentee that you read the official canon unless you have never bought another sourcebook or novel except for the Old Grey Box and even that is still official canon.
I never said, and I've said it repeatedly, that people have to follow official canon but IT STILL exists and to claim that "If I don't use it then it doesn't exist," is a little naive. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
Edited by - Kuje on 27 Nov 2004 17:45:46 |
|
|
|
the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 17:57:03
|
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...
I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.
The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon )
That's nice but I say again that's not how it works.
There is again your canon and my canon and then there is the official TSR/WOTC canon which is the only official canon. Everything else is hombrew. If you don't like it, fine. But I guarentee that you read the official canon unless you have never bought another sourcebook or novel except for the Old Grey Box and even that is still official canon.
I never said, and I've said it repeatedly, that people have to follow official canon but IT STILL exists and to claim that "If I don't use it then it doesn't exist," is a little naive.
It's obvious you'll never see my point. However I do respect your but absolutely do not agree with it. Canon is what I want and acknowledge whats left doesn't exist in my book. |
Run run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man...
The Arcane Brotherhood, Wizards of the Sword Coast. |
|
|
|
the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 18:11:27
|
However the Bhaalspawn Saga creates too many problems with the timeline if it is considered canon.
The Time of Troubles happens in 1358, from all indications in the first novel theis was when the Bhaalspawn would have been impregnated.
Now if the saga begins at 1369 the Bhaalspawn are only 10-11 years old and Sarevok is quite big for his age. However I have found nowhere that says the Bhaalsapwn were impregnated early.
So as far as I know or am concerned at best the saga is apocraphyl or it never happened no matter what the powers that be says unless the little conflict of age is resolved there can be no way it happened. |
Run run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man...
The Arcane Brotherhood, Wizards of the Sword Coast. |
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 18:33:54
|
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
However the Bhaalspawn Saga creates too many problems with the timeline if it is considered canon.
The Time of Troubles happens in 1358, from all indications in the first novel theis was when the Bhaalspawn would have been impregnated.
Now if the saga begins at 1369 the Bhaalspawn are only 10-11 years old and Sarevok is quite big for his age. However I have found nowhere that says the Bhaalsapwn were impregnated early.
So as far as I know or am concerned at best the saga is apocraphyl or it never happened no matter what the powers that be says unless the little conflict of age is resolved there can be no way it happened.
Except they aren't apocraphyl and they are canon and I don't care what you say because again it's naive to believe that there is no official produced canon when the CREATOR of the world has said there is. But right you don't care what the CREATOR of the world says either.
Who said that Bhaal had to impregnate his offspring during the ToT's? Some of them had dragon blood or giant blood or elven blood, etc, so they could have been impregnated long before the ToT's. Where are you getting that assumption that that is the only time he could have done it?
And no. Official canon, again, isn't what you want to acknowledge. That is your homebrew version or my homebrew version or Eds or anyone elses and then there is ONLY one official canon and that is made by TSR/WOTC. Again this isn't that hard to understand. As soon as you ignore one part of the official canon then you are playing homebrew canon but the OFFICIAL canon still exists and to claim otherwise is very very naive.
And the canon article that contains the 3e Bhaalspawn template says as much. "Bhaal saw his death during the ToT's so he went around making children to store his divine essance in and they were supposed to bring him back to life after the ToT's." Gee that sounds a lot like what Mystra/Midnight-Mystra does with her Chosen. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
Edited by - Kuje on 27 Nov 2004 18:57:07 |
|
|
|
Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 19:20:05
|
i can see the point of both kuje31, and the psychotic seaotter.
However I think that the psychotic seaotter has picked up the wrong end of the stick as it where.
Kuje31 isn't saying that Canon sources MUST be recognized IN YOUR GAME. But rather what he is saying is that a Canon source is an OFFICIAL source which, wither or not you incorperate it into your game, is the blueprints that all other FR product work from.
quote:
Originally Posted by the psychotic seaotter
However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game.
What you interperate as Canon here I interperate as History, events and other general 'fluff'. Canon is not actually these things but rather the official verdict this is 'Set in stone' to a certian degree. That is you have no power to change the 'official (Read Publishers view' of the Realms. So if your campaign branches of from the 'official sourcebooks' (For example say you decided that the turmoil in the Zhentarium never occured) then you must assimilate and convert the Canon source (That is the Officially published infromation) to fit you Campaign.
What I'm trying to sat is Canon Information is the Info that is provided by the Game Designers not the information which you incorperate into the Game.
Lets try and get the discussion back on topic before Alaundo comes(If anyone wishes to talk about this I will over Private chat or in another post)
Incidently I like the idea of Bhaalspawn but I think I would only use it in a campaign where it was part of the main plot and I certianly wouldn't use any of the BG events.
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 21:09:46
|
quote:
Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
i can see the point of both kuje31, and the psychotic seaotter.
However I think that the psychotic seaotter has picked up the wrong end of the stick as it where.
Kuje31 isn't saying that Canon sources MUST be recognized IN YOUR GAME. But rather what he is saying is that a Canon source is an OFFICIAL source which, wither or not you incorperate it into your game, is the blueprints that all other FR product work from.
What you interperate as Canon here I interperate as History, events and other general 'fluff'. Canon is not actually these things but rather the official verdict this is 'Set in stone' to a certian degree. That is you have no power to change the 'official (Read Publishers view' of the Realms. So if your campaign branches of from the 'official sourcebooks' (For example say you decided that the turmoil in the Zhentarium never occured) then you must assimilate and convert the Canon source (That is the Officially published infromation) to fit you Campaign.
What I'm trying to sat is Canon Information is the Info that is provided by the Game Designers not the information which you incorperate into the Game.
Lets try and get the discussion back on topic before Alaundo comes(If anyone wishes to talk about this I will over Private chat or in another post)
Incidently I like the idea of Bhaalspawn but I think I would only use it in a campaign where it was part of the main plot and I certianly wouldn't use any of the BG events.
Hanx
Elrond
Exactly. :) And I dunno I might include them in my game but then I don't really "need" to since I don't use ToT's and the trio didn't die in my version even though they did in official canon Realms. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
|
|
|
ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 23:02:38
|
OK here me world..
Bhaalspawn saga is tremendous nad very good story.
The game is probably the best of Fgh games. The books can be pour, i havent read them either. But if the author did not succeed, does that make the whole saga bad? No. Not at all.
The epic saga of half-god is interesting and very good in my opinion. |
|
|
|
Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 04:36:42
|
Not to change the subject or anything, but ... the original question was: when are the events of the Bhaalspawn saga set?
This from Forgotten Realms: The Library / Forgotten Realms Chronology (http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_13b.html):
quote:
1368 -- Year of the Banner "Baldur's Gate": Sarevok, spawn of the dead god Bhaal, plots with the Iron Throne to start a war between Amn and Baldur's Gate. Scar of the Flaming Fists and Grand Duke Eltan of Baldur's Gate are slain. Another spawn of Bhaal, Abdel Adrian, confronts Sarevok and slays him.
|
I have a mouth, but I am in a library and must not scream.
Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
|
|
|
|
Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 04:43:26
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Not to change the subject or anything, but ... the original question was: when are the events of the Bhaalspawn saga set?
I answered this back on page 1. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium |
|
|
|
Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 05:06:08
|
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Not to change the subject or anything, but ... the original question was: when are the events of the Bhaalspawn saga set?
I answered this back on page 1. :)
So you did. It was at the bottom of the page and I missed it. |
I have a mouth, but I am in a library and must not scream.
Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
|
|
|
|
ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2005 : 22:39:29
|
| Ah it really happened then. The story of Bhaalspawn saga. I wasnt sure of it until that link. Thanks Jamallo! |
Edited by - ode904 on 05 Jul 2005 22:40:13 |
|
|
|
Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 02:44:59
|
quote:
Originally posted by ode904
Ah it really happened then. The story of Bhaalspawn saga. I wasnt sure of it until that link. Thanks Jamallo!
"Not a problem." I do have a few insignificant uses. I am a persistent researcher, and delve deeper into matters once the Sages here provide me with an answer to a question. If I discover something new or interesting, I feel obliged to return and share that knowledge.
(Heheheheheh. I hope the suckers bought that line. My Lord Ksarul will pleased with me....)
_ |
I have a mouth, but I am in a library and must not scream.
Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
|
|
|
|
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 00:55:45
|
quote:
Originally posted by Minardil
What was year of the Bhaalspawn saga (Story of Baldur's Gate)? Manuals say it's either 1369 or 1373. I ask this becouse I'm planning a grand adventure for my players.
If you are going by the novels, the answer is 1368-1369.
If you want to go by the computer game (which some people do!) the answer is a bit harder. BG2 has references to Lands of Intrigue, for example, that took place in 1370.
1373? The events of that year were only a twinkle in the designers' eyes back then.
I don't think the dates for this story matter *that* much, to begin with, but that's my opinion. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 02:32:43
|
If you're keeping the events of the Bhaalspawn saga (as it was portrayed in the novels) as part of your overall Realms campaign, then they are largely canon with regard to time and dates.
The inclusion of the Bhaalspawn template in LEoF and an author's remarks in Kuje's FR FAQ on the WotC boards prove that.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Feanor
Learned Scribe
100 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 10:46:25
|
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Minardil
What was year of the Bhaalspawn saga (Story of Baldur's Gate)? Manuals say it's either 1369 or 1373. I ask this becouse I'm planning a grand adventure for my players.
If you are going by the novels, the answer is 1368-1369.
If you want to go by the computer game (which some people do!) the answer is a bit harder. BG2 has references to Lands of Intrigue, for example, that took place in 1370.
1373? The events of that year were only a twinkle in the designers' eyes back then.
I don't think the dates for this story matter *that* much, to begin with, but that's my opinion.
The year when BG2 takes place is 1369 DR. The date in the main character's journal specify that. Those small references to events after 1369 I consider them just Bioware's carelessness. |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Bhaalspawn saga
