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Brynweir
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 Posted - 24 May 2003 : 03:02:55
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I am looking for information about Loviatar. Specifically her priests or priestesses and any schemes within the temple of Loviatar. Does anyone know of any current plots causing conflict among the worshippers of Loviatar?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 May 2003 : 06:42:14
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Greetings,
Firstly, Loviatar's clergy is mostly female, dominated racially by human and half-elves. The clergy is at it's strongest - in terms of power and influence - in large decadent cities, where they attempt to recruit or convert new members from the ranks of the city's mundane and bored, and also the wealthly.
Secondly, most clerics of Loviatar work to promote and continue the cause of suffering and pain, both wide-spread and personal.
And lastly, as for conflicts within the church and Loviatar's worshippers - the return of Bane is probably the only real threat at present. Loviatar once served under the Lord of Murder, Bhaal. Since his death in the Time of Troubles, Loviatar had fallen under the sway of Shar, but with Bane's return this could presage a conflict for Loviatar's loyalty between the two, and this will undoubtedly affect both the church and her worshippers.
Hope that helps,
Good learning...
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Minardil
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 May 2003 : 13:17:00
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By the way, Loviatar is originally from Finland's national epic (not sure if these are right words) Kalevala. Loviatar was evil person, who unleashed great diseases upon world.
Off-topic, Mielikki is also from Kalevala. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2003 : 21:55:47
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| Minardil, you might be interested in a certain scroll, called "Faerun / Mythologies." |
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Leona
Acolyte
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Posted - 25 May 2003 : 03:06:35
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| To add on, Loviatar and Talona are bitter enemies. I think Loviatar was from Celtic myths originally (or was that Morrigan) |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 May 2003 : 04:13:48
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Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 08:57:32
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| Loviatar and liira are also mortal enemies, since Loviatar priests murdered the Liira human love, that she made during the trouble time. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 21:49:26
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| There's a bit about The High House of Pain in Mulmaster in the Moonsea book. This is 2e stuff (i.e. DR 1368 or whatever), but I find it useful. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 00:14:37
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
There's a bit about The High House of Pain in Mulmaster in the Moonsea book. This is 2e stuff (i.e. DR 1368 or whatever), but I find it useful.
The 2nd edition Forgotten Realms material will NEVER become useless. SO much information in those, and people that do not have access to it are missing out.
Download as much as you can now before some person makes everyone buy it. Go to old game stores and BUY it. PORE over EBAY, but get as much 2nd edition stuff as you can!
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 07:44:39
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I have the following titles from the 2e Forgotten Realms (all in computer form, except for three):
Adventure - Castle Spulzeer
Adventure - Cities of Gold
Adventure - For Duty and Deity
Adventure - Four From Cormyr
Adventure - How the Mighty Are Fallen
Adventure - Shadowdale
Adventure - Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?
Adventure - Undermountain - Maddgoth's Castle
Adventure - Undermountain - Stardock
Adventure - Undermountain - The Lost Level
Atlas of the Forgotten Realms
Calimport
Cities of Mystery
City of Raven's Bluff
City of Splendors
City of Waterdeep Trail Map
Code of the Harpers, The
Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves
Cult of the Dragon
Dalelands, The
Demihuman Deities
Elves of Evermeet
Elminster's Ecologies I
Elminster's Ecologies II
Elminster's Ecology
Faiths & Pantheons
Fall of Myth Drannor, The
Gold & Glory
Horde, The
Hellgate Keep
Hero's Lorebook
Lands of Intrigue
Marco Volo - Arrival
Marco Volo - Departure
Marco Volo - Journey
Money of the Forgotten Realms
North, The
Old Empires
Powers and Pantheons
Ruins of Myth Drannor Boxed Set, The
Ruins of Undermountain, The
Savage Frontier, The
Villain's Lorebook
Volo's Guide to All Things Magical
Volo's Guide to Cormyr
Volo's Guide to the Dalelands
Volo's Guide to the North
Am I missing anything you think is important, Mournblade? It's not like I don't have enough to keep me busy for a long time, but I'd hate to miss out on something good. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:56:51
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The Cloak and Dagger accessory is an interesting resource, as it details the fascinating city of Westgate. I wholeheartedly recommend this book, especially if you enjoy intrigue and dark doings in the world of FR.
Also, the Spellbound campaign expansion is useful for information on the eastern Realms, especially if you don't have access to Unapproachable East.
Ruins of Zhentil Keep is another fascinating resource that you would do well to try and find. The information contained in this boxed set is definitely enough to keep any fan of the Black Network happy for a long time.
The Kara-Tur campaign expansion is another useful resource especially since you have The Horde, campaign setting. They complement each other nicely.
And finally, Cormyr, Menzoberranzan, Drow of the Underdark/Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark, and the Seven Sisters accessories all contain vital and interesting information that really can't be found anywhere else, except maybe the Cormyr resource.
Hope that helps Bookwyrm,
Good learning...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:58:36
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I also forgot to mention the accessory Dwarves Deep, especially if you like the Dwarven race. The fact that it is written by Ed Greenwood, is an extra plus in my opinion.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:02:00
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| Thanks. I'll try to find those. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 12:51:44
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You may also find Volo's Guide to Waterdeep, and Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast useful. Although the guide to Waterdeep doesn't really have any information in it that isn't already covered in the City of Splendors Boxed Set, and Waterdeep and the North. In fact I believe alot of it is reprinted material. The Sword Coast guide is probably the more useful in terms of background and game information.
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 22:15:53
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Sage of Perth:
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I also forgot to mention the accessory Dwarves Deep, especially if you like the Dwarven race. The fact that it is written by Ed Greenwood, is an extra plus in my opinion.
I also find Dwarves Deep to be a good sourcebook, and like most FR stuff, generic enough, minus geography, to use in other world settings.
I like Dwarves better than Elves.
Damn, this topic went voom away from Loviatar pretty quickly, eh? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 05:05:02
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You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 07:09:26
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I do. I have several binders of photocopies, they make for interesting reading, as well as reference for rarely known background material.
Also, I have several notebooks of my own created material based on the deities of the Realms. I like to flesh out more of their particular aspect. For instance, the section on Loviatar, uses alot of information divined from the epic legend of the Finnish tales, as well as combining that information with the Realms deitific representation of Loviatar and creating an entirely new third representation.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:07:49
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Originally posted by George Krashos
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
Um . . . *ahem* Aren't those 'published' as well?
Sage, you ought to spread the knowledge. I'm sure at least one Library on the web would love to shelve some of your information . . . .
(And besides, Alaundo keeps coming in to see how much space I've filled on these shelves in my Senior chamber.  I need some help here!  ) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:38:30
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I am currently in the process of converting alot of the information to PDF format. It just takes a long time to make the material presentable, and remove the short-hand notes scribbled everywhere that only I would understand.
I will be releasing a PDF shortly about some background material I created during the Elven Crown Wars.
Watch for it .
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 02:04:56
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I have quite a bit of 'unofficial' material on my PC but little of it is solely mine. That's why I can't just mass e-mail it out. At the moment a group of 'us' are tidying up a complete lineage of Cormyr. That's pretty close to being 'done. As for getting it out there, I'm not sure how that's going to happen. If I can send it out to worthies of these Message Boards, rest assured I'll do so.
Also, I've written and will be sending off to the USA a sequel to my article on magical swords of Impiltur that was published in Dragon #277. If that gets published, it will contain quite a bit of historical background on the region. Eric Boyd has also written up about 3 articles that I know of which he intends to try and get published. One also deals with Impiltur and the UE, the other with the North and another with reference to the LOI.
The problem is, both Eric and I write fluff heavy articles with good crunch but not a heap of it. I understand that these aren't in Dragon's preferred style. Of course they make for great FR reading but then you always get the anti-Realmsians who write in to Dragon and say "No more FR articles! I don't game in FR. They are useless to me!" etc. etc. Makes it kinda hard to get published. Ed's told me that the editors grab their red pens and sigh when he submits stuff ....
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 02:21:48
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That's not a problem, that's an asset! They're the problems. 
Mournblade, how about you mail 'em a grenade of stupid-people repulsion? |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:21:54
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Bookwyrm, these are highlights from the pre-3E products you don't list:
Forgotten Realms Campaign Set (1987)
Empires of the Shining Sea
Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Forgotten Realms Adventures
The Seven Sisters
Pages from the Mages
Prayers from the Faithful
Secrets of the Magister
Cloak & Dagger
the other three Volo's Guides (the Waterdeep one barely overlaps with City of Splendors)
FR4 The Magister
FR11 Dwarves Deep
FR13 Anauroch
FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark
FRE2 Tantras
FRE3 Waterdeep
FA1 Halls of the High King
FRQ1 Haunted Halls of Eveningstar
GAZ8 The Five Shires
I tried to compile the Realms articles from the Dragon Magazine Archive pdfs into a single document with Acrobat, but there were problems with duplicated embedded font names. You can work around by converting back to postscript and rebuilding the pdfs without embedded fonts, but it's too much hassle without knowing what I'm doing.
George, email me if you want any help with the Cormyr lineage. Not that I have any special knowledge of Cormyr, but I'm a professional copyeditor.
Anyone can publish nominally generic rules pieces that are no more likely to fit campaign X than a Realms or Greyhawk article, but only Wizards owns the rights to its settings. If Paizo can't turn good Realms material into money, they're incompetent. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:35:18
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George Krashos:
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I have quite a bit of 'unofficial' material on my PC but little of it is solely mine. That's why I can't just mass e-mail it out. At the moment a group of 'us' are tidying up a complete lineage of Cormyr. That's pretty close to being 'done. As for getting it out there, I'm not sure how that's going to happen. If I can send it out to worthies of these Message Boards, rest assured I'll do so.
"Can" as in "legally allowed to do so" or as in "take the effort to do so"? I'm just curious, not criticizing. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:39:57
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It's not a question of legality or effort. If it was my work alone and was completed, I'd be handing it out tomorrow. Four or five individuals have had a hand in the Cormyr Lineage, including Ed (of course, he gave us the base notes). When all of those individuals agree that it is 'done' and then agree on how the document should see the light of day, then I can give it out. Otherwise, I'm running the risk of stepping on toes - which I definitely don't want to do.
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 06:54:34
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George Krashos:
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It's not a question of legality or effort. If it was my work alone and was completed, I'd be handing it out tomorrow. Four or five individuals have had a hand in the Cormyr Lineage, including Ed (of course, he gave us the base notes). When all of those individuals agree that it is 'done' and then agree on how the document should see the light of day, then I can give it out. Otherwise, I'm running the risk of stepping on toes - which I definitely don't want to do.
So this is unofficial material produced by people who also produce official material. I guess if I had paid more attention to your previous post I would have realized that.
Can we gather that if at some point you at least are willing to some number of copies of it away, it's never going to become "official"? If so, that would seem to imply there's never going to be a canonical Complete Lineage of Cormyr.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 15:55:05
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If Wizards game designers need information on Cormyte royalty, there's a good chance they'll refer to Ed or Eric or George, and some of this document will get into print (some of it is already from published sources). It's unlikely the current game department will want to give XX pages of a book to history, hence the possibility of free distribution or publication on wizards.com. Right?
And then, what's more authoritative, work sanctioned by Ed and worked on by loving hands, or a hypothetical partial lineage made up by one of the current Wizards guys to meet a deadline? Easy decision for me. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 19:11:29
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| At the rate things are going, they aren't going to ask for that sort of stuff. Where's the krunch in that? |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 21:47:43
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Faraer:
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<snip> And then, what's more authoritative, work sanctioned by Ed and worked on by loving hands, or a hypothetical partial lineage made up by one of the current Wizards guys to meet a deadline? Easy decision for me.
It matters little to me as well if it's official or not. I make no assumptions about quality of material, or call into question any given writer's ability to produce quality material, I ask because I am curious. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 04:54:34
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Let me put it this way. From a strict WotC point of view, the Cormyr Lineage I have on my hard drive is just fan-based fluff. However, if Ed or Eric ever write or have a hand/say in an official Cormyr product then you can be guaranteed it will shape their writing if not incorporated lock, stock.
Ed loves it when someone sends him new realmslore. His comment is usually along the lines of, "Bravo! My deepest thanks. Let's consider this 'official' - I will." In other words, if it's good realmslore he'll use it when and if the need arises. He's a very busy man, as is Eric. If someone else can come up with material to fill in the gaps, then great....
As for the lineage, I would hope that if WotC did a "Cormyr" supplement, then it would be released as some sort of web enhancement. But as I just posted this to the Realms-L because Bryon Wischstadt's "Realmspeak" site is down, here is a list of the Cormyrean monarchs. Enjoy. Oh, and queens have an *.
Faerlthann
Imlon "the Touched"
Bryndar
Eskrius
Rhiiman "the Glorious"
Embrus "the Old"
Kaspler "the Learned"
Imbre
Sacrast
Daravvan
Dorglor
Embrold
Irbruin
Moriann
Tharyann "the Elder"
Boldovar "the Mad"
Iltharl "the Insufficient"
Gantharla*
Roderin "the Bastard"
Thargreve "the Lesser"
Holordrym
Belereve
Thargram
Besmra*
Torst
Gordroun
Keldroun
Berost "the Bold"
Gorann
Edrae "the Doomed Babe"
Ulbaeram
Silbran
Raerboth
Baerildo
Belmuth "the Bastard"
Sargrannon
Ortolar
Imbrus
Artreth
Zoumdan
Imbrus II
Meurthe "Mad Meurthe"*
Kasplara*
Jasl "the Royal Jester"
Arathra "the Little Spider"*
Barander "the Tortured King", "the Scarred Advisor"
Thargreve "the Greater", "the Peacebringer"
Jarissra*
Andilber "the Unfortunate"
Anglond
Azoun I "the Crown Prince of Battles"
Duar "Longyears"
Galaghard I
Galaghard II "Father of the Dark Princes"
Draxius "the Neverdying"
Bryntarth I
Galaghard III
Rhiigard "the Mourning King" [Rhigaerd I]
Bryntarth II
Arangor
Azoun II
Proster
Baerovus
Palaghard I
Pryntaler
Dhalmass
Palaghard II
Azoun III
Salember "the Rebel Prince"
Rhigaerd II
Azoun IV
Azoun V
Please note that due to unfortunate domestic circumstances, the line of
kings from Gorann through to Thargreve "the Greater" has many short reigning
monarchs. Similarly, the rule period of Draxius was a very, very long one
due to the king's use of longevity magics (provided to him, some say, by his
lover the Royal Wizard Amedahast ... ).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 06:02:25
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This is great, thanks George.
I can't wait to make use of this information in my campaigns...somehow, but I'll think of something .
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Loviatar
