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The Sage
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 Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 06:08:33
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Sage, what about Lolth? After all, both of them hate the Seldarine and the surface elves for what they have done. I could see the daemonfey become the Spider Queen's worshippers in the surface.
Lolth is always going to be a viable alternative -- especially given her once close connection to the fiendish realms in the past. However, as I've stated numerous times in regard to Lolth supporting the EV, I don't particularly like the idea of giving the Spider Queen more followers and more leverage amongst the demihuman races of Faerun. It just seems like a complete lack of imagination to have all evil-type elven races worship Lolth. There are other members of the Dark Seldarine after all...
She has the drow, and that is enough... at least for me.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 11:21:43
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I could see the daemonfey become the Spider Queen's worshippers in the surface.
You do? I'm the exact opposite. I just don't see the arrogant Daemonfey sullying themselves by worshipping a drow god. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 14:23:02
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I could see the daemonfey become the Spider Queen's worshippers in the surface.
You do? I'm the exact opposite. I just don't see the arrogant Daemonfey sullying themselves by worshipping a drow god.
Actually, that's a good point.
Aside from Sarya, most daemonfey consider the drow to be degenerate aberrations. Perhaps they see the gods the drow worship in the same light...
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 17:17:13
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I could see the daemonfey become the Spider Queen's worshippers in the surface.
You do? I'm the exact opposite. I just don't see the arrogant Daemonfey sullying themselves by worshipping a drow god.
Nor do I. As arrogant and fallen away from the Seldarine as they are, they still tend to think of themselves as elves. |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 17:27:07
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What you guys say is true, because Sarya still believes that she has a claim to all the elven lands of the North.
Perhaps a couple of the evil human gods then, like Bane and Shar. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 18:03:17
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Originally posted by DDH_101
What you guys say is true, because Sarya still believes that she has a claim to all the elven lands of the North.
Perhaps a couple of the evil human gods then, like Bane and Shar.
Like I say, I think Moander is the best choice. He's been worshipped by elves before, and he is kinda-sorta a nature deity.
Granted, as Sage points out, unless they do the Servant of the Fallen feat, then it's Lolth they're really worshipping. Still, though, I think Moander a likely choice, at least until they find out who's really granting their prayers. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 01:22:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by DDH_101
What you guys say is true, because Sarya still believes that she has a claim to all the elven lands of the North.
Perhaps a couple of the evil human gods then, like Bane and Shar.
Like I say, I think Moander is the best choice. He's been worshipped by elves before, and he is kinda-sorta a nature deity.
Granted, as Sage points out, unless they do the Servant of the Fallen feat, then it's Lolth they're really worshipping. Still, though, I think Moander a likely choice, at least until they find out who's really granting their prayers.
AS do I. Although I still dislike the Lolth-connection to this, I'm willing to accept the possibility that "Moander" is divinely supporting the EV, at least until I can find a way through the canon-material to suggest that a sliver of Moander's old self remains. It'll likely be that de-powered version of the Lord of Decay that is actually the focus of the 'Servant of the Fallen'.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 12:46:04
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Originally posted by DDH_101
What you guys say is true, because Sarya still believes that she has a claim to all the elven lands of the North.
Perhaps a couple of the evil human gods then, like Bane and Shar.
I'm in the proces of reading the novel again and I tell you there are moments where one could get the impression that Sarya might believe there are gods who need to worship her. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 13:22:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
AS do I. Although I still dislike the Lolth-connection to this, I'm willing to accept the possibility that "Moander" is divinely supporting the EV, at least until I can find a way through the canon-material to suggest that a sliver of Moander's old self remains. It'll likely be that de-powered version of the Lord of Decay that is actually the focus of the 'Servant of the Fallen'.
Actually the Volo's Guide to Dalelands suggests that a portion of Moander's essence (or perhaps a "primal" avatar/form of Moander) remains imprisoned in Darkwatch (Tsornyl). Perhaps this sliver has now acquired more sentience/freedom that Moander's true form has been destroyed. Perhaps it would try to convert the EV members to worship him/it, and manipulate them to free it from Tsornyl's ruins?
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 13:31:24
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Originally posted by DDH_101
What you guys say is true, because Sarya still believes that she has a claim to all the elven lands of the North.
Perhaps a couple of the evil human gods then, like Bane and Shar.
Like I say, I think Moander is the best choice. He's been worshipped by elves before, and he is kinda-sorta a nature deity.
My favorite candidates are (as I have stated in previous posts) Moander, Gargauth and Ghaunadaur.
Moander may be dead, but a sliver of his essence still remains in Darkwatch, and he has been worshipped by corrupt elves in the past (not to mention the founder of the EV).
Gargauth would be very eager to acquire powerful elves as his worshippers, although he might not share their animosity towards humans. Gargauth would most likely corrupt and bend them to his will, eventually twisting the goals of the EV to better suit his needs. The EV members might be desperate enough to actually choose him as their patron.
Ghaunadaur is worshipped by ambitious and power-hungry individuals, and certainly the EV members would spark his interest in powerful elven followers. But it is unlikely that the elves would choose him as their patron, unless their situation becomes more desperate (and only then to achieve short-term goals). |
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 13:52:24
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Have you thought about Fey'ri clerics and their deities? It is said in the 'Races of Faerun' that most likely they worship Demon lords, but still there might be some "renegades" who chose evil deities as their patrons.
IMHO Moander, Gargauth and Ghaunadaur would be excellent choices also for Fey'ri clerics, especially Gargauth. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 19:14:04
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Have you thought about Fey'ri clerics and their deities? It is said in the 'Races of Faerun' that most likely they worship Demon lords, but still there might be some "renegades" who chose evil deities as their patrons.
IMHO Moander, Gargauth and Ghaunadaur would be excellent choices also for Fey'ri clerics, especially Gargauth.
What about Fenmeral Mestarine? He is the Elven God for outcasts, and could very well support EV and those few Fey'ri who look to divine influence. Both EV and the fey'ri could easily be considered outcasts in Elven society, and by Fenmeral's very nature in the Seldarine, he is a nature type god. In fact, many Wild Elves worship him and there are quite a few of them in the EV.
BTW, I have a question, do you think the EV would attack a moon elf is she was seen consorting with Eilistraeen Drow?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 22:49:14
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
What about Fenmeral Mestarine? He is the Elven God for outcasts, and could very well support EV and those few Fey'ri who look to divine influence. Both EV and the fey'ri could easily be considered outcasts in Elven society, and by Fenmeral's very nature in the Seldarine, he is a nature type god. In fact, many Wild Elves worship him and there are quite a few of them in the EV.
BTW, I have a question, do you think the EV would attack a moon elf is she was seen consorting with Eilistraeen Drow?
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Fenmarel hates fey'ri. He won't do a thing for them.
Reading thru his description, I'm not seeing anything to make me think he would support the Eldreth Veluuthra. Sure, he supports outcasts, but not all members of the EV are outcasts. Plus, some of the deities he's allies with would be against the EV -- which is a point against him supporting them. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 22:53:08
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Fenmarel hates fey'ri. He won't do a thing for them.
Reading thru his description, I'm not seeing anything to make me think he would support the Eldreth Veluuthra. Sure, he supports outcasts, but not all members of the EV are outcasts. Plus, some of the deities he's allies with would be against the EV -- which is a point against him supporting them.
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I suppose all the Seldarine hate Fey'ri. But then again, I don't think I've ever seen mention of any Fey'ri paladins or clerics. They do have rangers though as Xhalph's daughter is one (Lords of Darkness). I think having rangers as being part of your group overall opens people to asking questions where they get their spells from. I think it is a fundamental flaw within designing bad guys and saying they can have no patron and then giving them classes where one is clearly needed.
Oh well, the Fey'ri still rule and go EV! |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 23:58:22
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I think it is a fundamental flaw within designing bad guys and saying they can have no patron and then giving them classes where one is clearly needed.
Oh well, the Fey'ri still rule and go EV!
Ah, but there's the rub: nothing says they can't have a patron. They just can't have an elven one. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 00:26:02
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Yeah, but saying that is just as mean. The EV are so "elven" they wouldn't ever consider worshipping anyone else, lest that deity was pulling one over on them and presenting themselves as a member of the Seldarine, but there is also a problem in that! Generally, that means they might turn to the Dark Seldarine, but wouldn't the elves that the EV associate with be able to pick up the DS's taint on them?
This conundrum is too much for my brain after a day at work!! :)
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 02:05:13
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
BTW, I have a question, do you think the EV would attack a moon elf is she was seen consorting with Eilistraeen Drow?
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I'd say yes. LoD states that the group hates drow almost as much as humans. Thus, a Tel'Quessir consorting with dark elves could be targeted. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 03:29:32
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I agree with a couple of posters who have identified Moander, Gargauth or Ghaunadar as likely candidates for worship by the ED. What I would say on this however, is that the ED wouldn't know that they were worshipping M, G or Slimy G. They probably think that they are worshipping 'Anariel "the Vengeful Scourge"' (or somesuch) which is in actuality one of the other gods posing as a member of the Seldarine. Sure, Corellon wouldn't be happy with that but there isn't much he could do about it - and any attempts by members of his clergy to convince a member of the ED otherwise would likely make the ED think that the rest of the Seldarine were 'becoming more and more like the human deities', losing their 'purity' etc. etc.
As to the drawing their spell powers from 'nature' - to me this is a clear pointer to either Gargauth or Moander. The lich is a secret follower (only he knows who is actually granting the spells) but he knows that the rest of the ED wouldn't be up for it (as in knowing who is their divine patron). So he claims that 'nature' gives them their divine spells and leaves it at that - for now. Over time, the lich would likely introduce a name for this phenomenon (like "the Force"  ) which would again be an aspect of one of the other deities so that they could derive worship, followers etc.
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 17:49:18
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I agree with a couple of posters who have identified Moander, Gargauth or Ghaunadar as likely candidates for worship by the ED. What I would say on this however, is that the ED wouldn't know that they were worshipping M, G or Slimy G. They probably think that they are worshipping 'Anariel "the Vengeful Scourge"' (or somesuch) which is in actuality one of the other gods posing as a member of the Seldarine. Sure, Corellon wouldn't be happy with that but there isn't much he could do about it - and any attempts by members of his clergy to convince a member of the ED otherwise would likely make the ED think that the rest of the Seldarine were 'becoming more and more like the human deities', losing their 'purity' etc. etc.
As to the drawing their spell powers from 'nature' - to me this is a clear pointer to either Gargauth or Moander. The lich is a secret follower (only he knows who is actually granting the spells) but he knows that the rest of the ED wouldn't be up for it (as in knowing who is their divine patron). So he claims that 'nature' gives them their divine spells and leaves it at that - for now. Over time, the lich would likely introduce a name for this phenomenon (like "the Force" ) which would again be an aspect of one of the other deities so that they could derive worship, followers etc.
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Excellent points, George! I hadn't really thought about how Corellon and the Seldarine might regard any non-elven deity posing as one. To me it is clear that the EV would not consider worshipping any deity related to humans, or worshipped by humans, so any of those three gods would have to masquerade as an elven/nature power. This explanation makes sense why the EV members think that they're worshipping 'nature', while only the lich knows the truth about it. Think about the hubris of the elves, to think that their cause and devotion are so strong that they have learned to tap into 'nature' itself
To me the strongest "candidate" is Moander, since his/its portfolio (and powers) in 2e terms also include rotting death and the darker side of nature (just look at that picture of shambling mounds in the Arcane Age: Netheril-boxed set :).
George, did you just make up that 'Anariel "The Vengeful Scourge" stuff, or is that another obscure elven deity mentioned in previous Realmslore somewhere? |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 21:14:05
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I agree with a couple of posters who have identified Moander, Gargauth or Ghaunadar as likely candidates for worship by the ED. What I would say on this however, is that the ED wouldn't know that they were worshipping M, G or Slimy G. They probably think that they are worshipping 'Anariel "the Vengeful Scourge"' (or somesuch) which is in actuality one of the other gods posing as a member of the Seldarine. Sure, Corellon wouldn't be happy with that but there isn't much he could do about it - and any attempts by members of his clergy to convince a member of the ED otherwise would likely make the ED think that the rest of the Seldarine were 'becoming more and more like the human deities', losing their 'purity' etc. etc.
As to the drawing their spell powers from 'nature' - to me this is a clear pointer to either Gargauth or Moander. The lich is a secret follower (only he knows who is actually granting the spells) but he knows that the rest of the ED wouldn't be up for it (as in knowing who is their divine patron). So he claims that 'nature' gives them their divine spells and leaves it at that - for now. Over time, the lich would likely introduce a name for this phenomenon (like "the Force" ) which would again be an aspect of one of the other deities so that they could derive worship, followers etc.
-- George Krashos
Awesome points! I totally see where you are coming from. the elves would be proud enough to accept that they alone could worship nature. But in the Ice Lich's stats, he doesn't have that feat that allows worship of a fallen deity. That would probably mean that he worships a living god, and not the remnant of a vanquished one.
What do you guys think?
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 21:37:18
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I would have to say, given George good summary of what the situation was and his succinct conjecture of how to solve it, that I am definatly moved to agree with his assessment, as before his comment I had not even entertained the idea that the druid lich might be "in the know" about who his patron is.
As far as who that mysterious patron is though, I would have to go with Gaunadaur, only becuase Moander is no longer living, so yes, the lich would have to have the prerequisite feat to tap a "dead" god, or else we go back to the Lolth as Moander issue again. So the Elder Elemental Eye gets my vote, and it really does make sense since he has been corrupting elves since they first arrived in Toril (even if he did focus mainly on the furture dark elven race at the time). |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 02:19:42
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George, did you just make up that 'Anariel "The Vengeful Scourge" stuff, or is that another obscure elven deity mentioned in previous Realmslore somewhere?
Well of course I made it up! How else do you think things get done around here?
And I agree with Knight Errant JR that from a rules perspective (not that I'm huge on them!), Ghaunadar is the better fit than Moander. Given his actions in stuff like the "Evermeet" novel, the fit is actually a pretty good one.
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 15:02:10
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Reading from Champions of Ruin, it was Lossarwyn the elven druid lich that taught the Eldreth Veluuthra to draw "upon the divine power of nature, freeing them of the need to call upon a deity for their spells." Two possibilities spring immediately to mind.
1.) Lossarwyn is a genius spellcaster who in an Ur-Priestlike manner has managed to syphon the magical energy, like a mythal, off the ambient life-weave that all living creatures manifest.
2.) Lossarwyn has hoodwinked the heck out of this bunch of fanatics and has actually put them in contact with whatever dark power he hocked his soul to. Now said dark power is obviously only getting at most a token obscience from the Eldreth Veluuthra rituals, but they (EV) are working to free Lossarwyn, a very, very powerful servitor and so maybe the dark spawn of the pit thinks its a worthwhile exchange. Ftagh!
Hmmm, well just two CP worth.
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 15:56:10
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Hey Prototype - that's not a bad idea. I had forgotten that little segment in CoR. That might have been part of his original deal with the darker powers - to bring more souls in. And the best thing of it all - he still gets to kill those pitiful humans in the process.
I thinking the Ice Lich is making out like a bandit here, huh?
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 15:58:33
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
BTW, I have a question, do you think the EV would attack a moon elf is she was seen consorting with Eilistraeen Drow?
C-Fb
I'd say yes. LoD states that the group hates drow almost as much as humans. Thus, a Tel'Quessir consorting with dark elves could be targeted.
Hey Sirius, forgot to say thanks for the opinion. I am running a game for my fiance and she is hanging out with an Eilistraeean Drow Priestess and was wondering if I was doing right with the EV having a beef with her.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 25 Jun 2005 : 02:39:35
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Hey Sirius, forgot to say thanks for the opinion. I am running a game for my fiance and she is hanging out with an Eilistraeean Drow Priestess and was wondering if I was doing right with the EV having a beef with her.
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You're welcome. Be sure to let us know how the campaign develops in another thread. It sounds very interesting. |
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 10:36:09
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
George, did you just make up that 'Anariel "The Vengeful Scourge" stuff, or is that another obscure elven deity mentioned in previous Realmslore somewhere?
Well of course I made it up! How else do you think things get done around here?
And I agree with Knight Errant JR that from a rules perspective (not that I'm huge on them!), Ghaunadar is the better fit than Moander. Given his actions in stuff like the "Evermeet" novel, the fit is actually a pretty good one.
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 10:50:19
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I may be repeating myself on this subject once again, but here are some points why I would prefer Moander as the most suitable divine patron for the EV:
1) Moander's portfolio in 2e used to be related to nature through rot and decay, and he was served by many plant creatures. Even his avatars and true form were shaped like a huge mound of rotting vegetation and plants. Although not a "pure" nature deity, I would add the Plant domain to his list, and allow druids to choose him as their patron (through the 'Servant of the Fallen'-feat, or without it if he somehow stirred into being once again - see below).
2) A sliver of Moander's essence apparently still remains imprisoned in Darkwatch, within the lost ruins of Tsornyl (see Volo's guide to the Dalelands). Perhaps the lich has discovered/contacted this essence, and concluded that it might be "tapped" for power. In time (through proper worship and reverence) it might even be possible that this essence gathers enough power to become a divine being - a true entity separated from the fallen Moander, or perhaps replacing him. This is a plot twist that I might even use in my campaign in the future...
3) It is still possible to worship Moander through the 'Servant of the Fallen'-feat. Perhaps the remaining essence in Darkwatch is all that remains of Moander, and thus would benefit from this worship (as described above). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 14:27:01
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
2) A sliver of Moander's essence apparently still remains imprisoned in Darkwatch, within the lost ruins of Tsornyl (see Volo's guide to the Dalelands). Perhaps the lich has discovered/contacted this essence, and concluded that it might be "tapped" for power. In time (through proper worship and reverence) it might even be possible that this essence gathers enough power to become a divine being - a true entity separated from the fallen Moander, or perhaps replacing him. This is a plot twist that I might even use in my campaign in the future...
This option offers some significant gameplay. Not only would the PCs need to trace the EV's divine source to the remnant of Moander, but they would also have to contend with the lich and all the undead nasties he now has at his disposal -- undead who are somehow also tapping into the pool of divine power left in Moander's remains.
Perhaps they're racing against the clock. Rumor suggests that the lich is sacrificing mortals in some kind of ritual that sends their souls directly into Moander's remnant. The lich is using the EV to secure and capture humans so that they can be used in the ritual. The lich promises the EV the divine support of a "great power of decay" in their wars against humanity. Little do the EV realise that the lich is only using the EV to secure the souls necessary to conclude his fiendish plan. It is said that each soul grants the sliver a measure of sentience -- so it's only a matter a time before a "new" Moander is born!
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Jindael
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 14:59:04
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Champions of Ruin really has given us a big connundrum to deal with. The Realms have never been a place where divine spellcasters can get spells from a "concept" even though in standard D&D this has been introduced. The Eldreth Veluuthra now, though, are listed as being able to get magic from "nature" as a concept, so its rangers and druids have spells.
This gives us a few problems. One of three options becomes apparent:
1. Concepts are now starting to be able to power divine magical abilities. This means other concepts besides Nature should follow. This would also start to cause some problems since Ao declared the symbiotic relationship that inhabitants of the Prime and the gods should have.
2. Nature somehow is a different concept than any other concept and can grant divine spells when all other concepts cannot do so. This would require some kind of explanation about the difference between nature as a concept and another concept, such as Justice or Balance.
3. Somehow a god is involved. Since we have several instances of evil groups that receive spells that don't realize where the spells actually come from, this one seems the most likely, but the description in Lords of Darkness seems to almost completely rule this out.
Any fellow scribes care to add their two coppers?
I would have to just contradict the source here and say "No spells for you!" and move on. No druids, and spell-less rangers.
Not quite as plot and campaign driven as some of the excellent ideas already here, but I really like the concept of how they DON'T have any divine spellcasting at all, that they have to go out of there way to acquire healing items, rather then have a fully self sufficient organization.
Not having any divine spellcasting means that they have to leave a trail, that they aren't one of the super powerful "evil" groups out there, but just a minor baddy. Little pointy eared terrorists who do things like raid human temples for the goodies.
The need for something they don't have makes them that much more detailed and interesting to me.
And that's my 2 coppers that KEjr asked for.
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Edited by - Jindael on 28 Jun 2005 14:59:59 |
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