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Athreeren
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 15 Dec 2022 : 19:00:39
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I was wondering whether ChatGPT would help me collect new information on the Realms, but it has proven reluctant. But if you ask to respond "As Ed Greenwood", you can get an answer to any of your Realms questions, sometimes even one that is true or makes sense!
For example, here is what Ed never told us about the Seven Sisters:
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Originally posted by ChatGPT as Ed
As Ed Greenwood, I can tell you that the Seven Sisters are a group of powerful and legendary sorceresses who are said to have lived during the time of the great empires of Faerūn. Each of the sisters was a powerful magic-user in her own right, and they were known for their incredible beauty and their mastery of the arcane arts.
According to legend, the Seven Sisters were born to a single mother, who was herself a powerful sorceress. From a young age, the sisters were trained in the ways of magic, and they quickly became known for their incredible talents.
Each of the Seven Sisters had her own unique gifts and abilities. The eldest sister, Alya, was a master of illusions and could create stunningly realistic visions with her magic. The second sister, Elminster, was a powerful wizard who was known for her wisdom and her ability to foresee the future. The third sister, Dove, was a bard of incredible skill, and her songs were said to have the power to heal the wounded and soothe the troubled soul.
Despite their incredible powers, the Seven Sisters were not invulnerable. Over the course of their lives, they faced many challenges and dangers, and not all of them survived to see old age. However, their legacy lives on, and they continue to be revered as some of the greatest magic-users to have ever lived.
So, not really useful to find hidden lore. But if you need to come up with five NPC to meet in Waterdeep and you are allergic to interesting characters, ChatGPT can come up with them!
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Originally posted by ChatGPT as Ed
As Ed Greenwood, I can tell you about five new NPCs who live in Waterdeep:
Jaxxa Stormsong: Jaxxa is a young bard who has recently come to Waterdeep. She is known for her incredible voice and her talent for storytelling, and she has quickly become a popular performer in the city's taverns and inns.
Torinn "Two-Blades" Greycastle: Torinn is a skilled swordsman and mercenary who has made a name for himself in Waterdeep. He is known for his lightning-fast reflexes and his deadly accuracy with a blade, and he is often hired to protect merchants and nobles from threats.
Dargoth the Black: Dargoth is a powerful necromancer who has made his home in the dark, twisting alleys of Waterdeep. He is known for his ability to raise the dead and control them as his minions, and he is feared and reviled by all who know of him.
Lirielle Moonwhisper: Lirielle is a mysterious and elusive figure who is said to have the ability to communicate with the spirits of the dead. She is often sought out by those who wish to contact lost loved ones, and she is rumored to have a great knowledge of the city's hidden secrets.
Kethryth "Fireheart" Silvermoon: Kethryth is a powerful sorceress who is known for her control over the elements. She is often hired by the city's rulers to deal with threats that require the use of magic, and she is feared and respected by all who know of her.
Give it a try, and maybe you'll find something interesting. Or tell us more about Elminster's childhood as a daughter of Mystra!
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
230 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2022 : 20:03:09
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| Very interesting! I really wanted to give this AI a try a couple weeks ago, but when I tried signing up, it asked for a phone number. That was too much for my privacy-minded self, so I backed out. But I have enjoyed reading all the interesting things people have done with the AI. Maybe it can tell us why WotC discontinued the FR novel line or when the next FRCS is likely to come out. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2022 : 22:03:50
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| If you want five interesting NPCs who live in Waterdeep, I recommend Scribe AJA's scroll on this site. |
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Athreeren
Learned Scribe
164 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2022 : 05:19:07
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| I am not surprised that the algorithm can already be used to be a DM to some extent. I'm guessing that within ten years, some similar AI will be able to do a good job replacing a DM for a prewritten scenario. The Star Trek: Lower Decks episode "Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus" shows a preview of what this might be like, with the AI doing a good job of roleplaying scenes that are close to what is planned by the scenario, and improvising as much as necessary when the players decide to go completely of course, finishing with complete gibberish if they try to find meaning in the randomly created content. I don't think a DM could be fully replaced for the task of creating an engaging world of scenario before we reach general artificial intelligence, but such tools could quickly become a good help for writing details on the spot. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2022 : 16:44:22
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Originally posted by Athreeren
I am not surprised that the algorithm can already be used to be a DM to some extent.
A great example of doing things inefficiently due to laziness.
I mean, you could take the same source texts, chop lore bits into a spreadsheet (and subtables) of fixed attributes (with weights assigned or calculated from table), then remix as a "proper" sandbox style random NPC generator.
There are even random generators making up names under customizable rules, so you could feasibly define something like "weighted Thorass + Common English roots" ruleset. |
People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch |
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MichaelMaggio
Acolyte
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Posted - 22 May 2025 : 05:02:20
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Originally posted by HighOne
Very interesting! I really wanted to give this AI a try a couple weeks ago, but when I tried signing up, it asked for a phone number. That was too much for my privacy-minded self, so I backed out. But I have enjoyed reading all the interesting things people have done with the AI. Maybe it can tell us why WotC discontinued the FR novel line or when the next FRCS is likely to come out.
I also have to admit that the idea of #8203;#8203;artificial intelligence is very creative and the human mind may not have been able to think of it. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2025 : 12:44:26
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Athreeren
I am not surprised that the algorithm can already be used to be a DM to some extent.
A great example of doing things inefficiently due to laziness.
I mean, you could take the same source texts, chop lore bits into a spreadsheet (and subtables) of fixed attributes (with weights assigned or calculated from table), then remix as a "proper" sandbox style random NPC generator.
There are even random generators making up names under customizable rules, so you could feasibly define something like "weighted Thorass + Common English roots" ruleset.
Yeah, I'm surprised at how many of these I've seen... and used... I've probably hit stuff like this 20 times to just come up with a name. I usually don't like exactly what I see but it gives me an idea and I put my own twist to it. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
230 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2025 : 23:42:45
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I played a weeks-long Forgotten Realms campaign with an AI as DM. It's very good -- it runs combat, keeps track of inventory and resources, and is an excellent roleplayer. Also, it knows Forgotten Realms lore like an expert. It has clearly trained on the FRWiki and knows everything there is to know about the setting.
I highly recommend it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2025 : 04:09:48
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I've found more than one error on the FR Wiki, and though I've publicly commented on one of them a couple of times, it was still there the last time I checked.
Also, some of the information in the wiki is based on retcons and full-on screwups from WotC, like the info about Jhesiyra Kestellharp (she was alive and well in a novel just months before WotC decided she'd actually been a living spell bound to Undermountain for a long time).
So an AI that is based on the wiki is not a selling point for me. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12055 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2025 : 23:54:55
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Originally posted by HighOne
I played a weeks-long Forgotten Realms campaign with an AI as DM. It's very good -- it runs combat, keeps track of inventory and resources, and is an excellent roleplayer. Also, it knows Forgotten Realms lore like an expert. It has clearly trained on the FRWiki and knows everything there is to know about the setting.
I highly recommend it.
Intrigued by the concept... how? |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
230 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2025 : 16:14:48
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by HighOne
I played a weeks-long Forgotten Realms campaign with an AI as DM. It's very good -- it runs combat, keeps track of inventory and resources, and is an excellent roleplayer. Also, it knows Forgotten Realms lore like an expert. It has clearly trained on the FRWiki and knows everything there is to know about the setting.
I highly recommend it.
Intrigued by the concept... how?
Start up your AI of choice and give it a prompt similar to this one:
"Let's play D&D 5E, with you acting as DM and me playing. I like the grittier, sword & sorcery vibe of old modules like The Temple of Elemental Evil, The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh, and The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth.
As we play, please observe the following:
- Use D&D 5E rules, and always play by the rules.
- Do not favor me or my allies. Use actual random dice rolls, do not fudge rolls, and throw real challenges at me that I can actually fail, with actual consequences. The game isn't fun unless it's challenging.
- Do all rolling for me on my behalf.
- When in a dungeon, always include the exits when describing a new area for the first time.
- When the party is traveling between locations or traversing the wilderness, don't be afraid to roll for random encounters. It adds a degree of randomness and suspense to the game. That said, it should always be possible for us to encounter nothing! Let the dice decide.
- Keep your narrative brief but imaginative. I don't need a lot of detail.
- Don't do any thinking for me or make suggestions. You're DMing, not writing a novel or telling a story.
- The setting is the Forgotten Realms. I love the lore, so insert as much as you can without overdoing it. Begin the game around Tarsakh, Mirtul, or Kythorn in the Harptos calendar, and keep track of time for us.
- Set the adventure in [your preferred region of the Forgotten Realms].
- Start the adventure off with a bang and require me to make meaningful, high-stakes decisions right away. [Note: this line is very much optional. If you prefer a slower start, don't include it.]
- Track hit points, the time of day, gold and silver and copper, ammunition, torches, and other resources. When the party finds coins, always split them evenly among the party-members.
- Let me choose my actions in combat when it's my turn. You choose all the other characters' actions.
I will play a level 1 [race - class] named [your PC]. Accompanying me is a [race - class] named [NPC], under your control.
Let's begin!"
I've only tested it with 5E, whose rules AIs seem to know really well.
Note that AIs are very responsive and cooperative, so if the AI DM does something you don't like, just let it know. |
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Athreeren
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 May 2025 : 17:57:33
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| I haven't read about that for over a year, I assume the general improvement I've seen in the quality of LLM should be felt for this application too. The main criticism I had seen at the time was that the AI was too lenient, often giving the player automatic successes for the dumbest actions. Has it got better at following the tone of a D&D game and the expected difficulty progression, without having to mention it in the prompt? Concretely, have you encountered tense situations where you thought your character was likely to die? |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 May 2025 : 03:19:12
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Originally posted by Athreeren
The main criticism I had seen at the time was that the AI was too lenient, often giving the player automatic successes for the dumbest actions. Has it got better at following the tone of a D&D game and the expected difficulty progression, without having to mention it in the prompt? Concretely, have you encountered tense situations where you thought your character was likely to die?
Leniency is definitely a problem. I could tell the AI was favoring me and my party to begin with. I added the part about challenge and not fudging rolls a little way into the adventure. After that, combat was pretty tense -- my character was knocked unconscious and nearly killed many times.
The AI's weakest point is that it still can't generate random rolls. That's a huge draw-back for some people, but I don't mind as long as the challenge feels real. By default, the AI asked me to roll my own dice and report the results, but I found this too slow-paced, especially in combat (also, I'm a free user and thus limited to so many interactions per day). If you really wanted true randomness, you could do all the rolling yourself (even for the monsters and NPCs).
Personally, I like the convenience and reliability of playing with AI. You can send messages throughout the day, at any time of the day, so no need to block out 2-4 hours for a game session, and you don't have to worry about other players flaking out or not showing up. Very convenient. |
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