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LWhitehead1
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 00:21:32
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I'm need to know about the Barbarian Class and the Celts, well the feelings I get from Barbarian Class is that is more gear towards Native people then tribal Iron Age people.
Celt were called Barbarians due to there culture and by the people who were fighting to make feel more superior.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 02:05:01
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| I don't think the class is tied at all to Celtic peoples as far as the Forgotten Realms is concerned. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 02:58:20
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Plenty of D&D material about barbarians, and Google or a trip to the library can help you learn about the Celts.
You're better off doing your own research on whatever specifics you're interested in, rather than ask a bunch of general questions -- especially with something like the Celtic people, which I'm sure very few of us are knowledgeable about. |
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Karthak
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 03:22:32
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| Not sure how much the Celts would count as Barbarians if you're going away from the tribal Iron Age people angle, since Ireland apparently had access to iron in 600s BC and farming in 3500 BC, which doesn't really fit the native people angle if you're using it to mean migratory tribes using stone age weaponry like in Australia. |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 11:57:19
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The Barbarian class was inspired by Conan the Cimmerian, though in some ways more by artworks (by the brilliant Frank Frazetta), comics, and sequell novels, rather than just work of Robert Howard.
Cimmerians, were supposed to be ancestor's of (a lot of) Celtic peoples, and historic Cimmerians and Scythians (as well as partly some germanic peoples). Their culture was largelly similar to Celtic, especially Gaelic peoples, even Crom being a Celtic deity, or perhaps rather another name of a Gaelic deity (seemingly Dagda or less probably Lugh).
The Morrigan, was also mentioned a Cimmerian goddess (or godesses).
For some time though, the Barbarian class, is a bererker class, and often connected to nature/primal magic, rather than hunter gatherers (bothof which fitting with Celtic peoples). Though I don't think it ever was meant to exclusive to hunter gatherers, or migratory peoples, or people without iron working technology.
Some Celtic peoples, were noted as going literally naked into battle (Gaesatae, Boii, Insubres, Picts - the last not 100% sure to be Celtic, at least originally). Though this might been, in at least some examples, an exageration by the Roman and Geek writers. |
Edited by - Baltas on 09 Feb 2023 11:58:28 |
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 18:14:10
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Well it's that when your setting is late middle age, early Renaissance, Iron Age tribes like the Celts would be considered Barbarians. The Celts were considered Barbarians by Imperial Romans look at Britain,
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 18:59:40
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quote:
Originally posted by LWhitehead1
Well it's that when your setting is late middle age, early Renaissance, Iron Age tribes like the Celts would be considered Barbarians. The Celts were considered Barbarians by Imperial Romans look at Britain,
LW
It's not uncommon for a more technologically advanced society to regard a less technologically advanced society as being barbaric or even primitive. That doesn't mean it's true -- anyone can find one single standard to use as a basis of comparison and declare themselves better, or others lesser, based on that one point. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 22:56:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
Well it's that when your setting is late middle age, early Renaissance, Iron Age tribes like the Celts would be considered Barbarians. The Celts were considered Barbarians by Imperial Romans look at Britain,
LW
It's not uncommon for a more technologically advanced society to regard a less technologically advanced society as being barbaric or even primitive. That doesn't mean it's true -- anyone can find one single standard to use as a basis of comparison and declare themselves better, or others lesser, based on that one point.
Yeah, not to raise a possible sore spot, but look at the native american cultures of north america. Only now are people apparently starting to realize just how much knowledge a lot of them had that got wiped out. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Feb 2023 : 23:09:38
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| I was trying to avoid any real-world references, but that is exactly what I was thinking of. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2023 : 04:45:25
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To me: the Barbarian CLASS is a manifestation of the natural world fighting against unnatural things.
Of course, I play AD&D 1e...so your mileage may vary. |
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Feb 2023 : 17:07:25
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Well according to complete Barbarian AD&D 2nd book they existed in this timeframe, 1,0000,000 to 8,000 BC to early 800 AD, start of the Viking era according to the guide.
So the Celts are in the Barbarian timeframe, thank you AD&D 2nd PDF's.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 02:14:16
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o.O
I think perhaps something is getting lost in translation.
The word Barbarian has been applied many times in the world by different people ABOUT other people yes; just a quick google finds:
Albanian barbar
Bosnian divljak
Catalan bŕrbar
Corsican barbaru
Croatian varvarin
Czech barbar
Danish barbar
Dutch barbaar
Estonian barbaarne
Finnish barbaari
French barbare
Frisian barbaar
Galician bárbaro
German Barbar
Hungarian barbár
Icelandic Barbarian
Irish barbarian
Italian barbaro
Latvian barbars
Lithuanian barbaras
Luxembourgish barbaresch
Maltese barbarian
Norwegian barbar
Portuguese bárbaro
Romanian barbar
Scots Gaelic barbarian
Slovak barbar
Slovenian barbarska
Spanish bárbaro
Swedish barbar
Welsh barbaraidd
Some people that have been called "Barbarian" also use the word "Barbarian" to describe even other people. Having the word applied to someone doesn't actually MAKE them barbarians though...it is just a slur word honestly. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 03:33:11
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
Well according to complete Barbarian AD&D 2nd book they existed in this timeframe, 1,0000,000 to 8,000 BC to early 800 AD, start of the Viking era according to the guide.
So the Celts are in the Barbarian timeframe, thank you AD&D 2nd PDF's.
LW
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 04:51:53
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All right Wooly I know that it's not safe to use a D&D books as true historical references, and Dalor is right about the Barbarians and the natural world.
I should point out that Celt Warriors due have access to form of Berserker rage called warp fury, so there is an example of Barbarian Berserk for a Barbarian Warrior.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 05:25:52
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| What game are we talking about? What edition even? |
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Delnyn
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 15:04:38
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
All right Wooly I know that it's not safe to use a D&D books as true historical references, and Dalor is right about the Barbarians and the natural world.
I should point out that Celt Warriors due have access to form of Berserker rage called warp fury, so there is an example of Barbarian Berserk for a Barbarian Warrior.
LW
"Warp fury" sounds more like Star Trek. Did you mean "war fury"? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 16:04:33
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Originally posted by Delnyn
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
All right Wooly I know that it's not safe to use a D&D books as true historical references, and Dalor is right about the Barbarians and the natural world.
I should point out that Celt Warriors due have access to form of Berserker rage called warp fury, so there is an example of Barbarian Berserk for a Barbarian Warrior.
LW
"Warp fury" sounds more like Star Trek. Did you mean "war fury"?
Does warp fury happen after going plaid? |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2023 : 19:02:35
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Warhammer has furies in the Warp
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
o.O
Bosnian divljak
Croatian varvarin
divljak means savage
varvarin is wrong, it's barbar
my party's favorite tavern is called Barbar bar |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2023 : 03:09:18
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Originally posted by Marc
Warhammer has furies in the Warp
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
o.O
Bosnian divljak
Croatian varvarin
divljak means savage
varvarin is wrong, it's barbar
my party's favorite tavern is called Barbar bar
Barbar Bar 
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Feb 2023 : 23:18:44
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Well the area I want my Barbarian like characters to live is know as Healf March, a buffer zone Between the Empire and the Arcanum Invictus Imperium which is West of the Empire on the Euraisa Continent of Winnan on the world of Werra. The Human tribes are clients of the Empire and the orcs are the clients of the Arcanum Invictus Imperium.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Feb 2023 : 18:05:30
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So not in the Forgotten Realms?
I'm really confused...did I miss something? |
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Karthak
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Feb 2023 : 22:35:54
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| They're talking about their homebrew world across a few different scrolls. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Feb 2023 : 23:26:38
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| Is it somehow tied to the Forgotten Realms? Not out of the question...but if all this isn't relative to the Forgotten Realms...what are we talking about? |
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Feb 2023 : 06:40:12
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No I'm talking about my homebrew world and setting, the world of Werra blame critical role for wanting to create my own world and setting for Livestream.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Feb 2023 : 00:40:11
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Its REALLY fun creating your own world...congratulations on that, I hope it is really fun!
Having said that, this Forum is about the Forgotten Realms. |
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Feb 2023 : 16:04:01
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Yes I know that but this section is about Core products, now back to need help with this posting.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Feb 2023 : 19:42:07
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
Yes I know that but this section is about Core products, now back to need help with this posting.
LW
Ok then...
Well, let us look at it this way: Your setting is not a Core Product. |
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LWhitehead1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Feb 2023 : 23:11:13
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Yes but the Barbarian Class is through, which I'm trying to nail down in the timeframe of history like for the Celts. As stated before the complete Barbarian book does list the timeframe of Barbarians, and yes I know that using D&D source book as source of history is not wise.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Feb 2023 : 02:25:17
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Originally posted by LWhitehead1
Yes but the Barbarian Class is through, which I'm trying to nail down in the timeframe of history like for the Celts. As stated before the complete Barbarian book does list the timeframe of Barbarians, and yes I know that using D&D source book as source of history is not wise.
LW
If it's a homebrew world, make the timeframe whatever you want. |
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LWhitehead1
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Posted - 20 Feb 2023 : 04:37:51
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Well your right it's a homebrew game setting world, the world of Werra still have figured out how many Moons this Planet has yet. the timeframe is late middle ages to Early/ Middle Renaissance much like Warhammer Fantasy and Zweihander RPG. Like in FR there are sections of that world were are still Barbarians and Druids, that's why I looked back in history for examples of Barbarians this is were came on the Celts.
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