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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 03 Jul 2011 : 18:08:21
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Was it ever stated in lore where exactly Bane broke out of Iyachtu Xvim (how the hell is THAT pronounced, by the way?)?
Was it maybe Zhentilkeep?
As in, the physical location where Bane popped out? That's never been stated, just that it happened. In Xvim's divine realm would be the most logical place for it to happen, there or where Bane's realm was during his previous incarnation.
Me, I theorize now that Bane did not return, that the whole thing was a ploy by Xvim to cash in on his dad's reputation and popularity. There were some interesting tidbits scattered throughout 3E lore that left some real doubt on whether we were seeing Bane 1.0 reborn, some amalgam of Bane and Xvim, or my theory of Xvim posing as Bane. |
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MisterX
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 : 19:23:37
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So it'd be unlikely to have some big lightning, explosion and great fireworks within the Keep, telling people around the Realms Bane was back?
Well, the new sign (with Iyachtu's green light, for example) would hint at that
what are/were the other "tidbits"? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 : 04:44:55
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Originally posted by MisterX
So it'd be unlikely to have some big lightning, explosion and great fireworks within the Keep, telling people around the Realms Bane was back?
It was a vision sent to Xvim's followers.
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Originally posted by MisterX
Well, the new sign (with Iyachtu's green light, for example) would hint at that
what are/were the other "tidbits"?
Bane 2.0 is not using his old holy symbol.
Bane 1.0 favored red and black, and Xvim favored green and black. Bane 2.0 favors green and black.
There was a critter... I don't recall which one it was, something evil and nasty. Xvim liked these critters, and used them as some of his manifestations. Bane 1.0 did not use them -- but 2.0 does.
Now, all of that could be explained away by saying Bane and Xvim merged, and the new Bane has pieces of both. Or it could be explained by saying that Bane tried to subsume Xvim, and mostly succeeded -- but not entirely.
But... Xvim has already masqueraded as another deity, with the intent of getting more power out of the deal. And in the Realms, it's not uncommon for one deity to assume the identity of a fallen deity, even if the fallen one had nothing in common with the usurper -- like Cyric and Leira, or Lolth and Moander. Xvim had a lot to gain by taking daddy's name, and nothing to lose. In my opinion, given those random bits of data, the most likely scenario is that Xvim is Bane, and the original Bane remains dead.
Oh, and I also think it a bit odd that only Xvim's priests had that vision... If it was Bane 1.0 coming back, shouldn't his remaining faithful, or those he lost to Cyric, have had similar visions?  |
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MisterX
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 : 07:07:31
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Sounds reasonable
Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) why did the "goodly folk" of Faerūn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 : 16:31:58
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Sounds reasonable
Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) why did the "goodly folk" of Faerūn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions?
Because all of Xvim's priests converted over to Bane, and suddenly Bane was being worshipped again. It's never mentioned how anyone else found out, but when your local neighborhood Xvimite suddenly starts shouting Bane's praises, it's obvious something's up. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 20:05:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MisterX
Sounds reasonable
Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) why did the "goodly folk" of Faerūn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions?
Because all of Xvim's priests converted over to Bane, and suddenly Bane was being worshipped again. It's never mentioned how anyone else found out, but when your local neighborhood Xvimite suddenly starts shouting Bane's praises, it's obvious something's up.
I've always liked the idea that the rising of Velsharoon through the takeover the former god of liches had something to do with Bane returning. Somehow it released some of Bane's former power which had been stripped from him by the lich lord's original rising. I always wanted to pursue that angle, but I never sat down and wrote anything major up. |
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