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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Sep 2002 : 12:48:09
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Everyone knows the symbol of the Zhentarim - the black 'Z' on a yellow circle upon a black inverted triangle. Its been around for years, it stikes fear into anyone who glances upon it on a standard or armor..... so why is there a new symbol shown in "Lords of Darkness"?? Has this really been adopted as the new Zhentarim symbol? I dont have it to hand right now but im sure the original symbol is still shown in the FRCS book!
The new symbol just looks messy and is nowhere near as distinguishable.
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Oct 2002 : 15:31:56
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It is indeed a new symbol for the Zhentarim, and it replaces the old 'Z' from 2e and before. Use of this symbol can be seen in the cover art of Lords of Darkness. It depicts Zyculla Darkhope leading an assault on a Moonsea city. (Does anyone have ideas which city this could be?)
It is not uncommon for organizations to change their logo over time. Maybe the Zhents felt their old symbol was either too well known or did not confirm to their standards anymore. Besides the Zhentarim now frimly under control of Fzoul (read Bane) is a different organization compared to what it was before. |
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 11 Sep 2003 : 20:50:56
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 06:33:03
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I don't know...I think the old symbol was what they needed...it was ambivalent.
I don't think the Zhents need to be waving a "We're Bad Guys" flag about....and that's what the new symbol kind of does... |
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Bladesinger
Acolyte
Turkey
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Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 21:24:48
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| I think members from Zhentil Keep and Citadel of the Raven are using the new symbol. The scepter on the symbol signifies Zhents devotion to Bane, so I don't think Cyricist Zhents of Darkhold would use it. |
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the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2004 : 19:42:31
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| In my game I have Split the symbols up just like that. Except the Cyricist Zhents have added the Black Sun symbol to theirs and Zhents loyal to Manshoon have kept the Z symbol....Of course I am setting the stage for a Zhent Civil war.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 : 03:13:57
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Hmmm...that sounds like a very interesting alternative to the standard flag/symbol type.
Be sure to keep us apprised of your Zhentarim civil war scenario...it sounds very interesting...
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 : 08:36:57
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Now theres a new way of looking at it!  A great idea...as the Sage says...keep us posted! Im creating a Zhentarim-heavy campaign at the moment and would be interested to hear of your ideas and developments. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 : 08:53:49
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
In my game I have Split the symbols up just like that. Except the Cyricist Zhents have added the Black Sun symbol to theirs and Zhents loyal to Manshoon have kept the Z symbol....Of course I am setting the stage for a Zhent Civil war....
Actually, something I forgot to ask before...
How exactly did you add the Black Sun symbol to your Cyricist Zhents symbol...? Did you simply place the 'Black Sun' detail behind the black dragon (which, IIRC symbolizes dominion)?. Also, the scepter signifies the veneration of Bane, perhaps you removed the scepter, and in it's place put the black (or purple) sunburst and white jawless skull symbol of Cyric...?
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 05:16:18
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Where can I find an illustration that displays the current Zhentarim symbol?. It doesn't show this new emblem that everybody in this thread is talking about, in the FRCS.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 08:29:11
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The new symbols in Lords of Darkness
Sage: Have you read my Banites on the march Campaign? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 13:05:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
No I haven't, but I remember that you'd mentioned it previously.
Where is it located...?
Here you go
http://www.candlekeep.com./forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2165 |
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Cronje
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Jul 2011 : 08:05:17
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| Sorry to resurrect such a very old thread, but since I wasn't really all that knowledgeable about the Zhentarim, I decided to read up about them in the fourth edition Campaign Guide. I noticed that the symbol there (page 282) (a yellow-gray skull with brownish beams bursting from it) is different from both descriptions listed above and on the Zhentarim article on the FR wiki. I also couldn't help but notice its similarities to Cyric's symbol. Is this the new Zhentarim symbol, or something else? |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jul 2011 : 08:22:40
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| It's the newest one. |
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