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| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 07:55:24
Here's a little idea that's been brewing in the WotC & FR News section of Candlekeep -
VEDSICA originally said:
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I wonder if Ed has any backlogged dragon articles????
to which, Lady Kazandra responded:
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Maybe it's a feature that we should continue here at Candlekeep. With note-worthy scribes like Faraer and George Krashos, our collective exposure to Realmslore has never been greater.
We could assign a particular type of theme for the 'dragon' article, like the WotN articles, and then spend the month putting the write-up and stats together.
Something to think about . . . 
and, Dargoth continued with:
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How about "Dragons of the East"
ie Dragons in the Dalelands, the Vast, the Cold lands and Unapproachable east, Moonsea etc
concluding, Lady Kazandra said:
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Well, that's a start. How about we gather some notes together and propose a few directions. There's a new months coming, so that will give us roughly four weeks to create something.
'Dragons of the East' is a definite possibility, and since it covers a broader landscape, there's more potential for very unique Wyrms.
I think the main thing we have to think about is whether everyone who wants to be involved has the Draconomicon tome?.
So, what does everyone think?.
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 30 Sep 2018 : 18:12:17
Great Reader Arivia,
lol...that was quite entertaining!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Arivia
And to continue in the third-person tone...
Arivia responded:
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I'm interested in participating, and yes, I do have a copy of the Draconomicon...
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| Sarelle |
Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 14:45:04
'Tis your project, Lady K! I'd post them in this thread, or another created especially for (and only for) the submissions.
I wouldn't think it would really matter either way, as I'm sure Al or Teth will be compiling it for publishing on the Candlekeep site rather than let it languish in the forums. |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 10:34:05
I must say that your Dragon for this project is starting to sound particularly interesting Wooly. I am really looking forward to reading everyone's submissions.
Mine own work for this, should be ready by the end of the week.
I do have a question however . . . Where are we posting these Dragons of the East?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 15:42:47
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Originally posted by Sarelle
1st of all: In FR particularly, dragons with class levels are as much the norm as not (the class mostly sorcerer, but we've had one that is a druid/rogue!) So giving them class levels to make them more interesting is a good idea.
Cool. 
Actually, that's one thing that's always bothered me about dragons. Some do spend a lot of time in human/demihuman form, but they never have any levels in anything from it... If, for example, a gold dragon spent a lot of time mingling among humans, why couldn't he or she have levels as a paladin?
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Originally posted by Sarelle
2nd: Hmm... I don't know how you'd signify that the dragon is only that good at fighter / rogue in humanoid form. One of my dragons that I plan to write up is a rust dragon (planar, and thus non-spellcasting, dragon from Drac) with fighter levels - she is a really cunning killing machine. The thing is Drac barely focuses on dragons assuming humanoid form at all - there arn't any extra feats/rules about it.
I just figure that some skills are better suited for use in human form. As I said earlier, a dragon rogue is gonna have a hard time hiding in shadows, unless he's in human/demihuman form.
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Originally posted by Sarelle
I think you'll have to invent some feats or alternative rules to make that work game-wise.
Oh wait! How about you could just make his feats be focused on (Greater) Weapon Focus/Specialization with weapons that it can't hold in dragon form. Crafty, eh? 
That's mostly what I was looking at. A dragon that was specialized with a longsword would be pretty effective as a human, but when he's in dragon form, that sword is useless to him -- except maybe as a toothpick.
And here's an idea I had that I'm not gonna run with, so I'll just toss it out to the rest of y'all:
Both versions of the Draconomicon cover having dragons raised by another non-draconic race. And yet, we never seem to see dragons raised by orcs or humans or a lich, or anything like that.... |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 11:48:40
1st of all: In FR particularly, dragons with class levels are as much the norm as not (the class mostly sorcerer, but we've had one that is a druid/rogue!) So giving them class levels to make them more interesting is a good idea.
2nd: Hmm... I don't know how you'd signify that the dragon is only that good at fighter / rogue in humanoid form. One of my dragons that I plan to write up is a rust dragon (planar, and thus non-spellcasting, dragon from Drac) with fighter levels - she is a really cunning killing machine. The thing is Drac barely focuses on dragons assuming humanoid form at all - there arn't any extra feats/rules about it.
I think you'll have to invent some feats or alternative rules to make that work game-wise.
Oh wait! How about you could just make his feats be focused on (Greater) Weapon Focus/Specialization with weapons that it can't hold in dragon form. Crafty, eh? |
| Sarta |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 10:38:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, so now a question of plausibility...
The dragon spends much, much time in demihuman or human form -- enough time to have acquired levels in a class that dragons normally wouldn't have, like rogue or fighter. Of course, the majority of the abilities from the class would only be usable in human/demihuman form -- a dragon would have a hard time trying to hide in shadows.
So, do you think this plausible?
Definitely. Golds on average spend far more of their lives in demi-human form than dragon form for example.
There's a halfling paladin the pc's in my campaign have interacted with who's really a gold dragon. Of course, his pony's not too serviceable in dragon form, but he makes for a good pet.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 06:05:05
Okay, so now a question of plausibility...
The dragon spends much, much time in demihuman or human form -- enough time to have acquired levels in a class that dragons normally wouldn't have, like rogue or fighter. Of course, the majority of the abilities from the class would only be usable in human/demihuman form -- a dragon would have a hard time trying to hide in shadows.
So, do you think this plausible?
Oh, and I do fully intend to get the Draconomicon. 'Tis just that resources are limited, so minor things like utilities and insurance have to be covered first.  |
| Sarta |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 05:20:42
Not sure where you intend to go with it, but there are a few divine prc's that dragons can take which will convert their sorcerer abilities to priestly ability. So a dragon with level 7 sorcerer spell casting capability converts it to level 7 clerical spell casting ability. However, these are rather specialized prc's and may not affect what you are working on.
Sarta |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 04:10:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Cool, thanks. I didn't have terribly much time to flip thru the Draconomicon at the store today, but I failed to see anything addressing that issue. Thanks for the assist! 
It's worth a flip through. Heck, it's well worth a purchase and you know how picky I am about products these days. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 03:18:42
Cool, thanks. I didn't have terribly much time to flip thru the Draconomicon at the store today, but I failed to see anything addressing that issue. Thanks for the assist! |
| Arivia |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 01:41:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So, are there rules for this, or do I just tack on the additional levels?
For NPCs? Just tack them on. Savage Species, the Draconomicon, and the 3.5 DMG aren't telling me any different. Sorcerer is their associated class. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 01:01:31
Okay, I've got a question... I know that in the old Council of Wyrms setting, 'twas possible to have dragon mages, dragon clerics, and dragon psionicists. I also know that at least one of the Wyrms of the North has class levels, as a sorcerer.
Does the new Draconomicon cover dragons having class abilities? Both of the concepts I'm working on are dragons with class abilities... Further, one of the dragons has levels in a non-spellcasting class, from the amount of time he's spent in human and demi-human form.
So, are there rules for this, or do I just tack on the additional levels? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 May 2004 : 19:32:29
I've got a second concept brewing in my mind, too... Now to just start scribing down some of these ideas... |
| Israfel666 |
Posted - 25 May 2004 : 18:27:19
I'll be working on one of the entries I detailed earlier; I've been really busy these last weeks with a mathematics competition, but now I'll be able to return to my beloved Realmslore |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 15:49:41
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Originally posted by The Sage
I've also decided to add my own entrant into this project, although like most of my workings, it will take time  .
All I can say at this point, is that the wyrm currently resides in the Castle Perilous, and it's of a type that is rarely seen in the Realms...
Ah, I'll bet it's one of the little known (and often short-lived) Gummi dragons!   |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 11:51:14
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Originally posted by The Sage
There was...? I'll have to re-check that. It may have some particular source material that I can build upon to give the wyrm more of a historical context.
I seem to recll it was some sort of mutated Red Dragon that Orcus had bred in the Abyss |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 11:38:10
There was...? I'll have to re-check that. It may have some particular source material that I can build upon to give the wyrm more of a historical context.
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 11:26:58
hmmm.... There was an "Abyssal" Dragon in H4 Throne of Bloodstone |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 11:19:05
My first thought was for an undead draconic type, but given the current environment of Castle Perilous, that may have seemed too obvious.
You'll just have to wait and see...
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 10:59:05
hmmmm some sort of Abyssal Dragon or some type of undead Dragon |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 May 2004 : 10:37:16
I've also decided to add my own entrant into this project, although like most of my workings, it will take time .
All I can say at this point, is that the wyrm currently resides in the Castle Perilous, and it's of a type that is rarely seen in the Realms...
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| Sarelle |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 19:57:03
I have 5 homebrew dragons in the "East" area I would like to give Wyrms of the East write ups - including the aforementioned, young but very wily brown dragon Hazzler Strifebreath of Thay.
However, I like some others, will have to wait some 5 weeks or so to complete them, as my GCSEs (equivalent to the exams you Americans take at the end of High School) are coming up scarily soon and I am having trouble finding time to post on these boards at all. |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 14:17:59
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Originally posted by Arivia
I'll have something sometime(perhaps in a few weeks, when my commitments have lessened), but I'm looking at covering a dragon or two for the Sunrise Mountains(I think those are the ones on the edge of the Endless Waste-can't check right now). That area has always intrigued me.
Ooh, that sounds interesting. I'm certainly looking forward to reading that entry Arivia.
And yes, the Sunrise Mountains lay on the western edge of the Endless Waste.
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| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 14:16:07
Thanks Dargoth . I can now see how much I have truly missed in my time away from Candlekeep . . . 
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| Arivia |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 14:12:30
I'll have something sometime(perhaps in a few weeks, when my commitments have lessened), but I'm looking at covering a dragon or two for the Sunrise Mountains(I think those are the ones on the edge of the Endless Waste-can't check right now). That area has always intrigued me. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 11:40:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Since I lack the Draconomicon, when I get my dragon completed, I may simply post him without stats. After all, the original Wyrms of the North articles didn't include any stats beyond age category...
I'm with the Wooly one here - I'll do mine in Wyrms format and all you crunchy-philes can add in the stats.
-- George Krashos
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:58:10
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Not being "as up" on Realmslore as the rest of you are, I feel confident in saying that I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about Dargoth...
Ah then you have been remiss for you have not read my "Church of Bahamut in Cormyr and the Stonelands article, avaliable at Candlekeep
http://www.candlekeep.com./library/articles/bahamut.htm |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:24:26
Not being "as up" on Realmslore as the rest of you are, I feel confident in saying that I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about Dargoth...
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:11:30
I may do "Tabby" Azoun the 5th pet "cat" as well |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:10:19
Yes, I think I'll leave the age category requirement open to the individual poster then.
Wooly, the Sage told me about your lack of the Draconomicon. I have his copy here with me at the moment, if you need to know about anything in particular.
Just send me an email .
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