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| creyzi4zb12 |
Posted - 31 Aug 2012 : 21:53:50
Anybody know any Epic non-spellcasters in the realms.
Probably the munchkin ones would be nice, like Kane, Shurrupak, that Gladiator from Thay who beat a Dracolich with a stick, etc. |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 22 Dec 2012 : 16:47:40
Probably the reason Emery didn't use "fiend," and instead used the generic "monster" is because Sysquemalyn's state didn't exactly resemble that of a fiend, or any other creatures known at that time. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2012 : 16:16:34
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
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Originally posted by Dennis
How about Sunbright Steelshanks? Didn't like him, but he was powerful. Managed to kill a flint demon not even Lady Polaris could defeat.
I don't think it was a flint demon. I think sysquemalyn was probably something more.
No, not exactly demon, but monster, a former human altered by both arcane magic and the negative energies of the Nine Hells.
An excerpt from Mortal Consequences:
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Onto the littered floor of the cavern trod the flint monster. Its horny feet, sharp-edged as granite, crunched underfoot a hundred bones, hooves, horns, jawbones full of fangs, rib cages, segments of tails without flesh. That hundreds had died here meant nothing to the monster, for it was obsessed with its own goal.
I think it still could have been a unique fiend of some sort. "Monster" is used later in this same quote as a generic term, so "flint monster" was likely nothing more than a slightly more descriptive and yet still generic term -- like calling a stone golem a "walking statue". |
| Dennis |
Posted - 22 Dec 2012 : 06:58:37
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Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
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Originally posted by Dennis
How about Sunbright Steelshanks? Didn't like him, but he was powerful. Managed to kill a flint demon not even Lady Polaris could defeat.
I don't think it was a flint demon. I think sysquemalyn was probably something more.
No, not exactly demon, but monster, a former human altered by both arcane magic and the negative energies of the Nine Hells.
An excerpt from Mortal Consequences:
quote:
Onto the littered floor of the cavern trod the flint monster. Its horny feet, sharp-edged as granite, crunched underfoot a hundred bones, hooves, horns, jawbones full of fangs, rib cages, segments of tails without flesh. That hundreds had died here meant nothing to the monster, for it was obsessed with its own goal.
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| creyzi4zb12 |
Posted - 22 Dec 2012 : 06:11:21
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
How about Sunbright Steelshanks? Didn't like him, but he was powerful. Managed to kill a flint demon not even Lady Polaris could defeat.
I don't think it was a flint demon. I think sysquemalyn was probably something more |
| Knight of the Gate |
Posted - 04 Dec 2012 : 08:00:17
Iirc, Texter was Epic. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Dec 2012 : 01:24:07
No, he doesn't count. He's TOO EPIC that not even Ao could touch him. |
| Naeryndam |
Posted - 03 Dec 2012 : 17:35:45
Ryld Argith maybe? Actually... Drizzt? Does he count? |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 12 Nov 2012 : 14:03:03
I don't think that works that way.
Afaik the HD part is only considred for monsters. If you start a new stone giant character on level 1 he would be considered to have an ECL of 5 because of the +4 level adjustment, not 19 because a standard stone giant monster has 14HD.
Correct me if I'm wrong |
| xaeyruudh |
Posted - 10 Nov 2012 : 08:56:34
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
A stone giant has a level adjustment of +4 so if Arik was epic he was at least a level 17 cleric which would allow him to cast level 9 spells and I don't remember hin casting anything near that power level.
I don't remember Aris, but that's probably because I was discouraged by the apparently dumbness of the phaerimm in the early part of the series and never finished it. However, a stone giant has 14 HD, plus that +4 level adjustment (+6 for an elder), so a stone giant should only need 3 class levels to be considered epic in 3e. Just sayin. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 09 Nov 2012 : 23:21:48
How about Sunbright Steelshanks? Didn't like him, but he was powerful. Managed to kill a flint demon not even Lady Polaris could defeat. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 09 Nov 2012 : 19:30:34
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Aris was the stone Giant in return of the Archwizards :p
not Arik
Well, since the thread is about non-spellcasters, maybe Dennis would be talking about Malik, a thief and Chosen of Cyric, IIRC.
Afaik Malik never did anything that shows he has class levels at all, or maybe Rogue 1 at most.
All the cool stuff about him comes from him beeing choosen by cyric and his inability for beeing harmed oder lying from the trial of the gods.
I dunno. I think he would be at least a level 8 :)
Improved uncanny dodge, Sneak attack, trap sense :p
But overall not much more than that |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 09 Nov 2012 : 13:22:08
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Aris was the stone Giant in return of the Archwizards :p
not Arik
Well, since the thread is about non-spellcasters, maybe Dennis would be talking about Malik, a thief and Chosen of Cyric, IIRC.
Afaik Malik never did anything that shows he has class levels at all, or maybe Rogue 1 at most.
All the cool stuff about him comes from him beeing choosen by cyric and his inability for beeing harmed oder lying from the trial of the gods. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 18:43:47
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
I would personally consider Arik epic. To survive virtually unscathed amidst a fleet of phaerimm, beholders, and even after facing Telamont and all the princes, is almost a miracle.
I am tired and drawing a blank. Who is Arik?
A stone giant priest and one of the main characters in the Return of the Archwizards series.
Sorry, I meant Aris. [Blame Ayrik for that.] |
| Barastir |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 14:50:28
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Aris was the stone Giant in return of the Archwizards :p
not Arik
Well, since the thread is about non-spellcasters, maybe Dennis would be talking about Malik, a thief and Chosen of Cyric, IIRC. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 14:12:12
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
I would personally consider Arik epic. To survive virtually unscathed amidst a fleet of phaerimm, beholders, and even after facing Telamont and all the princes, is almost a miracle.
I am tired and drawing a blank. Who is Arik?
A stone giant priest and one of the main characters in the Return of the Archwizards series.
Aris was the stone Giant in return of the Archwizards :p
not Arik |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 11:29:41
A stone giant has a level adjustment of +4 so if Arik was epic he was at least a level 17 cleric which would allow him to cast level 9 spells and I don't remember hin casting anything near that power level. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 10:03:15
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
I would personally consider Arik epic. To survive virtually unscathed amidst a fleet of phaerimm, beholders, and even after facing Telamont and all the princes, is almost a miracle.
I am tired and drawing a blank. Who is Arik?
A stone giant priest and one of the main characters in the Return of the Archwizards series. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 06:03:52
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
I would personally consider Arik epic. To survive virtually unscathed amidst a fleet of phaerimm, beholders, and even after facing Telamont and all the princes, is almost a miracle.
I am tired and drawing a blank. Who is Arik? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 04:36:24
I would personally consider Arik epic. To survive virtually unscathed amidst a fleet of phaerimm, beholders, and even after facing Telamont and all the princes, is almost a miracle. |
| Eilserus |
Posted - 06 Nov 2012 : 16:08:29
Rogue levels with Zaknafein would make sense considering Matron Malice used him as an assassin to butcher the priestesses of rival houses. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 06 Nov 2012 : 15:21:57
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Originally posted by Zireael
Zak, Selfaril and Fyodor are not epic-level. King Azoun IV wasn't epic level either.
Shuruppak, yes, he is epic-level.
Azoun was on the cusp of Epic level. Zaknafein certainly was |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 06 Nov 2012 : 15:17:15
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Zaknafein Do'Urden (24th level drow male fighter)
When I look at these 2ed stats, I often think they would get rolled a bit in 3e, or at least, Zak would certainly have some Rogue levels, etc.
Even some 3e stats would be changed. Telamont Tanthul for example, was given max levels in Wizard 20, Archmage 5 and Shadow Adept 10, but most people think it would be significantly higher with the "max" things changed and new epic level progression |
| Zireael |
Posted - 06 Nov 2012 : 10:21:20
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Originally posted by Eilserus
i guess i'm not sure what constitutes epic level then. i thought it was anything over 20. ;)
Anything over 20, yes, but in 3e and not in AD&D. Levels of certain characters, especially multi-class ones, vary wildly between editions. |
| Eilserus |
Posted - 05 Nov 2012 : 16:43:00
i guess i'm not sure what constitutes epic level then. i thought it was anything over 20. ;) |
| Zireael |
Posted - 05 Nov 2012 : 16:03:34
Zak, Selfaril and Fyodor are not epic-level. King Azoun IV wasn't epic level either.
Shuruppak, yes, he is epic-level. |
| Eilserus |
Posted - 04 Nov 2012 : 23:39:43
Zaknafein Do'Urden (24th level drow male fighter) |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 04 Nov 2012 : 23:32:30
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Originally posted by Quale
Abordabe from Narfell, lvl. 30 fighter
Dabron Sashenstar
Naergoth Bladelord of the Cult
Abordabe. I almost forgot about him. he was detailed in the bloodstone lands book. A 65 year old 5'3 145 pound 30th level fighter and leader of a barbarian tribe should have been unforgettable.
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| Firestorm |
Posted - 08 Oct 2012 : 03:32:57
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
When you say "non-spellcasters," what are your parameters?
For instance, would you consider a bard to be a spellcaster? Technically, bards do cast spells, but they're nowhere in the same field as a devoted wizard or cleric.
How about someone who is mostly a fighter or rogue but maybe dabbles in magic or has supernatural abilities? (like Drizzt, for instance)
Cheers
or Shurrupak lol. 20th level fighter, but also 7th level Southern mage with access to all those crazy Mulhorandi spells in 2e
Upon rereading, those spells were ridiculous. Damage mirror was a 2nd level spell. Some of the higher level spells....Javelin, Devastate, Agitate wounds....ugh
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| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 08 Oct 2012 : 02:49:06
When you say "non-spellcasters," what are your parameters?
For instance, would you consider a bard to be a spellcaster? Technically, bards do cast spells, but they're nowhere in the same field as a devoted wizard or cleric.
How about someone who is mostly a fighter or rogue but maybe dabbles in magic or has supernatural abilities? (like Drizzt, for instance)
Cheers |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 23:45:09
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Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
Anybody know any Epic non-spellcasters in the realms.
Probably the munchkin ones would be nice, like Kane, Shurrupak, that Gladiator from Thay who beat a Dracolich with a stick, etc.
The Gladiator from Thay would be Hamesetis. Was a scary dude in 2e before they rolled his stats back in 3e(To be fair, the entire "Fangs of Set" group was ridiculous in 2e). Same with Shurrupak, who still is scary as hell, but was more scary in 2e.
I miss the "old Empires" sourcebook and have been trying to find another copy for a long time. mine met with an unfortunate case of "lent to a friend" who moved away without returning it |
