| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Christopher_Rowe |
Posted - 02 Oct 2008 : 15:52:22
No, that's not a new weapon in the Adventurer's Vault. 
So, this morning, the Sage, all unwitting, put my mortal life in danger when he, as Mama says, "'bout near give me a heart attack" when I read a post of his that offered this link. (Wow, there's a lot of commas in that sentence!)
I... I don't know quite what to say here. Do you realize that there are hundreds and hundreds of articles, essays, art galleries and excerpts listed there.
Has this material been catalogued anywhere? Entered on a bibliography? Has it been (please, oh please, say yes) indexed?
Man, I knew I was in for a lot of work (pleasant work, even joyful work) when I realized that, in addition to "mastering" the 4E lore I wanted to go back and see what I've missed, but that was just taking all the printed gaming material, novels, and anthologies into account.
I had a vague idea that the recent online-only 4E articles were joining an extant body of web based lored, and I've even looked at some of the individual pieces, but I had no idea there was so much. Even if most of this stuff can be discounted as excerpts or otherwise of limited relevance, there has to be hundreds of pages of stuff here.
If nobody's had a go at it it yet, I guess I gotta add another project. I'm going to .pdfize a lot of this stuff (for my own personal and private use) and at least do an annotated bibliography. But if anybody has already done something similar, I'd love to know about it.
And here's the big question. Is this it? If I park an annotated bibliography of the stuff linked off that page on a site somewhere and add the 4E articles as well, will I have covered all of the online canonical Realmslore? If not, is there a master list of online canonical Realmslore someplace?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 01:01:17
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy. 
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
I have a Cryx Army - Here's my Warwitch Deneghra. 
Well, until I get a good job (better than what I'm prolly going to have to take, just to have income), my pennies will be quite limited.
The Warwitch mini looks pretty good... I have no skill at painting minis, myself, and not enough patience or time to acquire that skill. I've a friend that loves painting minis and is quite good at it. He's also unemployed, so his standing offer is that we buy him minis, and he paints ours.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 00:58:56
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
<edited for brevity>...
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article.
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic.
Awesome! Thanks, Wooly! So... did you find these files the hard way?
The Roll of Years I found an old link to, on another website (this was several years ago, I just kept the URL handy). The Shadow Storm spell and the Moonsea Fauna one I found simply by playing with various URLs. I had to have help on the dwarven one; I never would have guessed that file name. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 00:40:18
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
Indeed. I just want to echo Markus's remarks here. I purchased the IK books when they were initially released. And while they were indeed costly, they were worth the gold pieces. Especially if you are a "fantasy-mech" fan like myself.
Also, the level of detail and attention to the "minutiae" of the IK setting featured in the books was definitely such a rare occurence for a third-party 3e campaign setting. Few others actually managed to achieve so much. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 23:23:11
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Are you sure? A person who doesn't play 4E probably won't buy WotC's new products.
Just to clarify, I meant to say that a decision not to buy 4E products would result in lost revenue for WotC, even if the consumer buys, say Star Wars products (after all, they would have made more money if the consumer purchased both). My point being, I don't see how losing a potential consumers of the 4E products can be taken as a "victory" for WotC.
I hope that's clear now? |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:51:43
MT, it is my sincere hope that you do not give up on the pre-Spellplague Realms and all of us here at the 'Keep, or take you maps down from here. We like you and the work you do. I know how you feel (not about being banned twice; I haven't PO'd the right people on the WotC boards for that); I have finally decided to boycott everything 4e out of protest for what they have done to the Realms. This includes novels, even though I have been wishy-washy on that point in the past. I will probably just start collecting everything 3.x Realms that I don't have (Power of Faerun and the 4 super adventures) and then start collecting the 1e and 2e products as I am able. Also I have decided to start collecting what I can of Monte Cook's 3.5 material (because he is a damn good designer) and pre-4e Realms novels and then non-Realms novels by Realms authors I like to support them without supporting the changes.
Anyway, I hope you don't go. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:48:42
Yes - thanks Wooly; I found the one about the Dwarves awhile ago while researching the Mines of Tethyamar, but the rest I did not have.
Only 85˝ MB, Jakk? Poor guy... my collection of D&D/D20 material fills 18.4 GB... not including all the homebrew material I keep in a seperate folder. 
Or art, for that matter....
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
I have a Cryx Army - Here's my Warwitch Deneghra. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:31:57
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
<edited for brevity>...
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article.
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic.
Awesome! Thanks, Wooly! So... did you find these files the hard way? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 18:49:16
Heh, most of my gaming money (what little there is) is now going towards Warmachine stuff. I just realized I have got to get Commander Adept Sebastion Nemo -- what an awesome warcaster!
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 17:11:27
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . .
As have I. In fact, they've been among my most worthwhile WotC purchases in the last year or so. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 17:09:08
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . .
Same here! Ironically, the 4E/Saga rules works well for Star Wars. My complaint is that 4E doesn't have the feel of D&D, which all the other editions had. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 16:55:01
Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . . |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 14:33:19
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Please stick with us. The way I see it, every longtime Realms gamer who quits playing because of 4E is a tiny victory for Wizbro, the way their 4E mission statement was worded.
Are you sure? A person who doesn't play 4E probably won't buy WotC's new products. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 14:10:56
Well, speaking of lost files on the WotC site... According to the archives here on Candlekeep, around 30 January 2000 four articles were uploaded to the WotC site. At that time, I found and grabbed one of them; I didn't know about the others. When I found references to the others, I went looking for them -- because I knew the Roll of Years was still on the WotC site, despite the total absence of links to it. I found two of the three missing files, and then, after trying off and on for a couple of years, Tauster helped me get the last one.
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article.
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 08:55:13
To Markustay: Okay, I can understand how you got from A to B in thirteen minutes now. I'd be doing the same thing.  On that note, stick around here where we (at least try to) appreciate differences of opinion, and read Garen Thal's Monday Musing Masterpieces to make 4th make more sense.
To those who are playing in the new Realms: be warned in advance that I love puns. I'm not slamming the new edition; I'm over that and I can be just as conciliatory to fans of the new as they can be to me and my position. Anyway, I had an idea for a group to replace the (apparently defunct?) Harpers in 4E Faerun, founded by an adventurer with a speech impediment:
Realmthforth!
Edit: Or, alternately: Forth Ten From Anchorome!
Anyway, to get this thread back on topic: I've been downloading everything Realmslore-related I can find from wizards.com, and the stuff I have to download as web pages I've been converting to PDF with a neat little freeware app I found. I currently have 85.4MB of PDFs covering the pre-Spellplague Realms, and I'm sure I'm missing older stuff; anything that predates the earliest archives at wizards.com is not in my possession, and I'd love to get my greedy digital fingers on it, if there is any such material; the archives go back to 2000 and the inception of 3E. Thanks to scribe Kyrene (I hope I remembered her screen name correctly), I have the complete "Wyrms of the North" archive in PDF format; everything else may or may not be complete, but I have everything I could find and download. I'm not sure how my ISP would feel about an upload to Candlekeep's archives, but it's possible that the Sage or Alaundo already have all of this information in their own archives; whether or not Wizards would allow Candlekeep to host it is another matter. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 00:48:01
Heh. No bannings here. But we really do need to get back on topic folks. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 00:12:27
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Markustay is becoming an old dragon... he now wants to be appeased with jewelry, trinkets, and virgins, to continue to give us some maps...
LOL...
That alone is worth putting up with their attitude.
(All the commentary - not the jewelry, trinkets, and virgins... although I wouldn't mind a few of each).
Anyhow, I am enthusiastic about the Realms that were, but I really feel I was badly mistreated this time out. Whereas the last time they twisted my words around so it appearded I was using 'hate talk', this time I simply made a comment about 'official updates' between the FRCG and FRPG, saying that two works released so close together with disparate information should not be consideed 'updates', but rather 'errata' .
Thats all I said, and a mod deleted it. 
Then I made an off-hand comment about the 'thought police' deleting my post, and I was banned! I was banned, because the WizO took something personally, and abused her power. The fact that I was the only person singled out in a thread full of off-topic discussion just proves that I was specifically targeted for some reason. My comment was not only non-offensive, but was more on-topic then most of the other posts which were not deleted.
I was banned not because of the original harmless comment, but because I DARED to question the authority of a Wiz-O to delete the comment.
When I was banned the first time not so long ago, I really felt I had it coming, because I was really pushing some buttons over there, but this time I was contributing in a positive manner and was still banned!
I don't mind being punished when I have it coming, but this time I didn't, and obviously that particular Mod was just in a foul mood and took it out on me.
As you guys say, I feel like I'm lashing out at the community, and not the people who have angered me. Since it is probably WotC's fondest hope that I just crawl under a rock and disappear, perhaps it is stupid of me to allow them to railroad me in that direction.
Edit: sorry mods, for all the off-topic discussion here... please don't ban me. 
As for the '13 minute interval' mentioned by Jakk above - during that time I was at Enworld, and a pro-4e poster managed to get under my skin by calling the pro-3e crowd "a bunch of old Asshats", and went on to say we should just go away quietly and let the "fresh blood" have their turn.
That kind of attitude is what is contributing to this silly 'edition war', and it really got me steaming. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 22:32:56
Markustay: I'm with Ashe and Chosen of Moradin. Just because Wizbro has lost interest in the Realms, doesn't mean you should. As Chosen has said, your maps are brilliant, and they are a needed resource if the "real" Realms are to survive in any recognizable form.
Please stick with us. The way I see it, every longtime Realms gamer who quits playing because of 4E is a tiny victory for Wizbro, the way their 4E mission statement was worded.
Edit: In fact, it was seeing the FRCS 4E that got me involved on these boards in the first place, and seeing the resources available at Candlekeep thanks in large part to the efforts of people like yourself is part of what has convinced me that the Realms have a future without Wizbro's participation. We don't need "canon" if we have a group of dedicated fans of the "real" Realms who stick to what we know and love. I know some posters in this scroll will disagree with my assessment, but from what I've seen, most of the scribes at Candlekeep prefer the pre-Sellplague Realms, and if we don't show some solidarity behind that opinion, we may as well all start playing Eberron or go back to Greyhawk... or, of course, stop gaming altogether. I, for one, am not prepared to do any of those things. 
Edit 2: Markustay: I just read your response to "Gully Dwarves in Faerun?" You posted that thirteen minutes before your post here, and in that earlier post you showed real enthusiasm for your projects. Can it all change so completely in thirteen minutes? We know the "Classic Realms" are dead as far as Wizbro is concerned, but a fan community as large as the group of discontented Realms fans must be can surely keep the setting alive for our own purposes. We do what we do (your maps, my timeline projects, fan fiction, etc) out of a love for what we know; the fact that Wizbro has chosen to ignore us in the interests of a quick buck should neither discourage nor surprise us, given the nature of the corporate beast.
Remember: as far as Wizbro is concerned, your maps are contributing nothing to the IP because Wizbro is no longer supporting pre-4E products. The people who value your work are yourself and the rest of the "classic Realms" community, myself included. The people who have vilified you to Wizbro are also the ones who aren't going to give a fig about your work, because it "isn't canon" any more. If you quit, the only winners are Wizbro and the 4E community, and the only losers are us at Candlekeep and yourself for not finishing what you've described in the past as a "labor of love"... anyway, I've said enough. If this doesn't change your mind, nothing will.
Fight the power! Classic Realms for all! |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 21:51:18
Markustay is becoming an old dragon... he now wants to be appeased with jewelry, trinkets, and virgins, to continue to give us some maps...
Jokes apart, you´re maps are superb, Markus, and they are, without doubt, part of the "Electrical Canon", that is talked in this scroll... don´t give up to share them with the Realms fans... there a lot of them, all around the Limbo..err.. the net. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 18:58:40
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Anyhow, I've gone way off-topic, but since I'm losing all interest in FR at this point, I figure people should know why I won't be around as much anymore. 
Damn, now I gots to go and kill me some WizBoarders. Every time I'm out, they pull me back in!
Don't go, MT, we need the detail and glorious beauty of your maps over the official maps!! |
| Markustay |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 18:39:54
I won't bother using that term, even though I have been banned AGAIN from there.
...for saying something completely innocuos, and having it deleted, and then questioning the Wiz-O's poor judgment in the matter.
Obviously, we are not allowed to question their judgment - I didn't realize that they were trained in their job "on high", and are therefore beyond reproach.
I'm fairly certain I fell victim to the 'anti-anti-4e brigade' - a group of posters who have banned together 'to fight evil'. Basically, they report any post they disagree with, and if enough people report a post - even if there is nothing wrong with it - it gets automatically deleted. Intelligence never enters into the equation - its all a matter of numbers, and this... group... has found a way of twisting the system to there advantage.
That is why I have taken down my DeviantART Site, and will probably request ALL my maps be removed from every site they are currently appearing on. I have no wish to contribute to an IP belonging to a company that treats it's fans so unfairly.
Anyhow, I've gone way off-topic, but since I'm losing all interest in FR at this point, I figure people should know why I won't be around as much anymore. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 06:04:44
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Indeed. Though some refer to WotC's boards as The Boards That Shall Not Be Named*, or things similar, it's a fact that many of our scribes have come to us from there, and a lot of people here are active on both boards. Most of us regard the WotC forums as just another forum -- better than some forums, worse than others.
<chopped for brevity>
*Despite my wrongful banning, I've never had too many issues with the WotC forums. I've only used the "Shall Not Be Named" nickname once or twice, myself (it's too cumbersome!), but I find it quite amusing.
I like it too... and if you find it cumbersome, try "TBTSNBN"... it's much shorter, easy to type, and cryptic enough to possibly make it worth adding a definition to your signature. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 04:57:03
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
I believe that LK have just created a thread about our current matter :
Forgotten Realms Links
Does anyone know if LK is scribe of the Keep?
Yes. He's under the name:- Dagnirion.
Really ? I did not know. Thanks for info Sage.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly
I've never had too many issues with the WotC forums
Neither have I. I feel their threads too often go out-of-topic and lead to free discussions.
But I'm realizing I'm out-of-topic and going to an empty discussion... oops  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 01:52:05
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
euh... Are we allowed to insert links to the gleemax forums ?
Mods, Feel free to delete if I'm outlaw and excuse-me.
That's fine. Posting links to threads over on the WotC boards is something nearly all of us have done at one time or another.
Indeed. Though some refer to WotC's boards as The Boards That Shall Not Be Named*, or things similar, it's a fact that many of our scribes have come to us from there, and a lot of people here are active on both boards. Most of us regard the WotC forums as just another forum -- better than some forums, worse than others.
There's no prohibition against links to over there, either tacit or overt. In fact, though I've not had reason to post it in a long time, one of my handy links is for the converted NPC thread started by Green Giant -- I found that thread when I was still over there, and it's just too good not to share.
*Despite my wrongful banning, I've never had too many issues with the WotC forums. I've only used the "Shall Not Be Named" nickname once or twice, myself (it's too cumbersome!), but I find it quite amusing. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 00:35:56
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
I believe that LK have just created a thread about our current matter :
Forgotten Realms Links
Does anyone know if LK is scribe of the Keep?
Yes. He's under the name:- Dagnirion.
quote:
euh... Are we allowed to insert links to the gleemax forums ?
Mods, Feel free to delete if I'm outlaw and excuse-me.
That's fine. Posting links to threads over on the WotC boards is something nearly all of us have done at one time or another. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 20:40:28
I believe that LK have just created a thread about our current matter :
Forgotten Realms Links
Does anyone know if LK is scribe of the Keep?
euh... Are we allowed to insert links to the gleemax forums ?
Mods, Feel free to delete if I'm outlaw and excuse-me. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 04 Oct 2008 : 07:50:42
*drool* More Realmslore! More, I say! I'm trying to keep myself too busy living in the Realms' past to worry about the present until that 100-year gap of history has been filled... and who knows, maybe by then, my campaign will be ready to see what DR 1479 has to offer...
Edit: And yes, I got that "Wyrms of the North" archive I mentioned here earlier too, thanks to another friendly scribe here at Candlekeep. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 15:32:18
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Well, Sage, put me in that list, when the day comes.
Will do. I'll probably just make an announcement here once I've established the FTP, and once my website is up and running.
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| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 15:17:55
Well, Sage, put me in that list, when the day comes.
And, if someone wanted the pdfs of Wyrms of the North, Elmisnter Speaks, and Perilous Gateways, just send me a PM, and I will send it to the mail, when I go home tonight. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 14:41:49
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Sage: How many DVD-R's would it take to transcribe your hard drive's Realmslore contents,...
Most of the saved Realmslore is spread across multiple external drives. I don't even want to hazard a guess at how many DVD-R's that would translate to. 
quote:
... and what would the postage cost from Australia to Canada? Or, alternatively, does Candlekeep have an FTP directory you can upload those to? I'm assuming we're within our rights to give these files away, since that's what Wizards was doing in the first place...
A short while ago, we had a similar discussion here at Candlekeep re: compilations of Realmslore from WotC. I brought up the possibility of an FTP which would make the files I have accessible to those who don't have them. As it is, I'm still attempting to find one that'll serve my needs. But when I do, you'll be among those I'll notify. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 08:56:48
Christopher: I'm in the process of PDFizing the lot of it (the downloads from the archive page link you posted), but right now I need to sleep. I should have the PDFs all done by the end of the weekend, I hope. I have a line on the PDF versions of the entire "Wyrms of the North" series, and hopefully that comes through this weekend too. I have so much Realmslore to read, I'm giddy with anticipation. |
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