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| Ardashir |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 23:32:46
Okay, now I know that Malar the Bloody Beast hates elves and fey, but has any reason ever been given for why?
Also, when they say 'hate' just how deep is that hatred? In the Champions of Ruin book they spoke of a mixed drow/wood and wild elf cult within Cormanthor that worshipped Malar and a tribe of weretigers in the woods. (Hmm, I'm wondering that one member of the Black Blood, Vakennis, is also involved with them.)
Also... does anyone else agree with me that if the Lunar Ravagers exist on Faerun (brutal, murderous hunter Fey from MMIV), they almost certainly worship Malar? Considering how they act, it's hard to see just who else they'd be venerating.
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| Quale |
Posted - 14 Sep 2010 : 08:48:06
It's really far from canon, but the way I play it is that Ragnarok already happened (related to the Dawn Cataclysm), and gods like Tyr, Balder (Lathander) would be a few survivors, similar happened in other pantheons, like Celtic Silvanus and Oghma. Similar to Alystra, Cyric is Loki in a way Midnight is Mystra, only there is an even greater conflict of personalities.
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| Jakk |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:46:43
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I have a rather pretty idea of why Malar is after Herne, and it does have to do with a fragmented god.
Cernunnos is described as a shapechanging hunter.
However, he is also God of many other things as well: Lord of the Horned Serpent (dragons anyone?). Since he is also the God of Hoards...
I'm leaning toward an idea that Cernunnos was once an Arch-Fey of incredible power who was later fragmented when he was torn between continuing to act as guardian over his humanoid followers and remaining part of the Fey Court. He may have even been punished for refusing Titania...or spurning her.
We know that Auril was previously an Arch-Fey...and I believe that Cernunnos may have been one of the first Fey worshiped by Humans that began a long line of "Celtic" gods. Now, I don't know if they came from him or came with him...but I know that out of all the Celtic gods I've found, Cernunnos is EXTREMELY Fey-like.
I've even thought about Cernunnos originating in Faerun, and then later fragmenting into numerous gods...maybe even "Dagda the Dozen King" and others. To me, perhaps the "Celtic Pantheon" as loose as it is, could have originated TO Earth instead of the reverse.
Lot of rambling there...but I think I got across what I was trying to say in general.
Specifically, I'm leaning heavily toward Malar being one of the more animalistic aspects of Cernunnos that is instinctively trying to regain some of his power.
I remember some mention of a story concerning The Three in which Malar even tried to take some of Jergal's power at one point when he was giving that power to The Three.
Anyone know that story or can relate it please?
Yes... apologies if this has already been answered, but this post grabbed my attention for other reasons I'll get to shortly. The story is "Knucklebones, Skull Bowling, and the Empty Throne"; see Sandro's post from 26 Sept 2009 in this link:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9249
Anyway, what grabbed my attention was, well, the whole post; I suspect I'll be using a lot (if not all) of this. In particular, the idea that the Celtic pantheon originated in the Realms and migrated to Earth. I've done something similar with the Norse pantheon, and now I'm certainly doing the same with the Celtic, now that I see your lines of thought here. Brilliant! 
I had almost reached the point of "de-Celtifying" the Moonshaes altogether and letting the Northmen have it all... but this gives me all kinds of new ideas.... more gods in the Realms, not fewer! Mwahahahahaha!  |
| Jakk |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:37:08
Just finding the recent updates to this scroll now... Markustay, I have a theory for you... if we take into account the recent lore from Paul Kemp's novels (hidden spoiler follows):
Mask is the son of Shar (spoiler done), so Mask could very well be that old a deity, depending on who his other parent is (note that I didn't say "father", and there may not even be another parent; Mystryl is the child of Shar and Selune, after all). But what if Loki is the father of Mask, as well as Jergal, by the aforementioned mother? In my Realms, the Norse pantheon is alive and well in its entirety; I've discussed that at great length in other scrolls here. Even if your Realms doesn't have the Norse pantheon currently extant, the goddess in question isn't the type to let her mates live if she thinks killing them would be enjoyable, and that would easily account for Loki's absence.
Of course, Alystra might actually have a point... although it would probably take some twisting to make it work...
I'm with you on the Dead Three; Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul (all three of whom are back in my Realms, not just Bane) were ascended mortals who achieved divinity probably sometime between the raising of the Standing Stone and the fall of Myth Drannor. None of them are nearly old enough. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 05:38:59
Or Loki was wandering around in some ether-form until he found a home in Cyric?! Sorry, Just throwing out a random thought.... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 04:53:05
LOL - sorry again, DD.
Ullr is/was not one of the Vanir, which does make him an oddity for where I was going with that.
Hmmm... checking Wiki now, and apparently there is a theory that both Heimdal (Helm?) and Ullr were Vanir originally.
Also, the father of Frey and Freya, Njörðr, is a sea god... interesting... he and Odin both had a thing for a giantess named Skaði. Njörðr was definately a Vanir, and therefor a Fey deity, which Ulutiu most-likely was, so this is all making some sort of weird sense.
I was just reading about him, and apparently he got into a heated argument with Loki, that Tyr broke-up.
Wonder who our Loki could be? Bane is too serious, as were Myrkul and Baal. Loki is also too malicious to be one of FR's 'trickster gods'. I'm thinking Mask is out closest fit, but its far from perfect. He'd have to be ancient - Loki is the father of Fenris (Kezif) and the World serpent! He is also the father of Hel..... Jergal? It could just be that Loki was never interested in the Realms, or was removed from them early-on.
Interstingly, he is considered both a Jotun (Primordial) and an Aesir (god), so it is technically possible to be both (according to mythology, although not, perhaps, D&D canon). I had some theories in that vein in regards to Selune and Shar, and now I have a precedent that a Jotun/Primordial can become a god if accepted into the pantheon.
Maybe he wound up in Abeir. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 03:55:58
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Originally posted by Quale
The World Serpent fragmented into a pantheon at the height of the sarrukh civilization, first time when the nonsarrukh souls where sacrificed to it. I'm not sure what it is in 4e, a primordial, god, or spirit.
Is Ullr one of the Vanir?
There are two cold elven gods, Tarsellis Mend-something and Rellavar Danuvien, who is also called the Frost Sprite King. Interestingly one of Auril's new/ancient titles is the Frost Sprite Queen ...
Dang, the more you guys talk...the more you are hitting right on where I was going with things! Not exactly mind you; but Rellavar Danuvien being the Frost Sprite King and Auril formerly the Frost Sprite Queen was exactly one of the ways I thought about bringing Cernunnos in...as a tie in to Auril. |
| Quale |
Posted - 04 Sep 2010 : 15:46:41
The World Serpent fragmented into a pantheon at the height of the sarrukh civilization, first time when the nonsarrukh souls where sacrificed to it. I'm not sure what it is in 4e, a primordial, god, or spirit.
Is Ullr one of the Vanir?
There are two cold elven gods, Tarsellis Mend-something and Rellavar Danuvien, who is also called the Frost Sprite King. Interestingly one of Auril's new/ancient titles is the Frost Sprite Queen ...
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| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Sep 2010 : 05:33:51
Interesting discussion - I have to think on it some more. What if Cernunnos was somehow the World Serpent's polar opposite?
Still not near my sources, dammit - do we have a time frame for when the WS fragmented? If the World serpent was a primordial, and the archfey sided with the gods (some of them, anyway), the fragmentation may have occurred as a byproduct of Ao's separating the worlds.
If it happened sometime later, and we attached the World Serpent to the Draconic pantheon (an aspect of Io?), then we may be able to attach Cernunnos to the Norse/Giantish pantheon(s) - he could have also been known as Ullr (As a 'bow god' he seems a good fit for the Balck Archer of the Elves). Uller (as Ollerus) took over for Odin during the time period he was missing, so he was somewhat important to the Norse, perhaps even a 'High (Over) God'.
So, if all of these pantheons are inter-related, with lots of cross-overs, then Annam (as 'The All-Father) may have been Odin, who disappeared for a time (during his dalliance with Othea?). Ergo, the Giants were aware of - and may have venerated some of - the Norse pantheon under other names - giving us a VERY 'iffy' connection of Cernunnos to the Giants (through His Ullr manifestation).
So the fragmentation of the two deities - Herne/Cernunnos and Io/World Serpent may have come-about during the Thousand Year War. In fact, it may have been the destruction/fragmentation of the Hunter-God Ullr that required Odin/Annam to return to Asgard and set the Realms aside. Take note that Annam was allowed back to Faerun once his last son was born.
Ullr is also know as the 'Snow God', which could possibly give him interesting connections to Auril or Ulitiu (one of which is definitely an archfey, and the other a high possibility of the same). Wasn't there the name of an Elven Snow God listed for the Realms in a Dragon magazine article? Something to do with Auril, in fact? Sounds like an 'in' to me.
I'm really NOT leaning toward the second theory, but without having any dates in front of me I'm just trying different ways to make things fit. I think the fragmentation occurring during the world-split sounds most appropriate; deities that had questionable allegiances or split worshiper-bases may have opted for this rather then being forced to choose one world or the other. |
| Quale |
Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 11:46:17
Sylvan elves migrated to Yuir later, must be some other group of fey, like the maraloi, or leshay?
What if Auril's defense against the madness of the Black Diamond was to become cold and emotionless. Cernunnos (or whatever the name) found a different way, framentation (inspired by the World Serpent?), as if cutting of a diseased limb. The diseased part became Malar. He probably had the murder portfolio then. Probably a gift from Dark God (Moander the Darkbringer). Moander wanted to bring the power of the Creator Races to an end (check Netheril under Moander's Footstep). Moander got the portfolio from Panzuriel, and that maybe involved the corruption of Umberlee (check Spellbound where it says that the half-elves of Yuir believe that a great sea god keeps watch over a terrible sea-giant). Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul are called Dark Gods, just like Moander once was, before Jergal took that from him. That's why Malar wanted his ancient portfolios. Was Kezef really created by Jergal, he could be a fragmented part of the Hunt.
We know what happened to Titania and Auril during the fall of Ladinion, were other fey gods mentioned at all (beside possibly Cegilune)?
Emmantiensien surely was there cause he's the most ancient, note that his roots are curled around a magic crystal. Maybe Relkath, Rillifane, Silvanus etc. are fragments as well. Interestingly it was Silvanus who ended the evil gem's hold over Auril.
Grey mentioned Arawn in the Talfir thread, he is also known as the Wild Hunter. Arawn had the portfolios Jergal took. Was Malar once Arawn? Arawn of Annwn where coincidentally or not Yggdrasil has its roots (Emmantiensien?). And there is Dendar/Nidhogg/Jormungandr gnawing, I wonder who spawned the linnorms. It would fit cause Moander allied with dragons against the Creator Races ...
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| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 01:45:27
I have a rather pretty idea of why Malar is after Herne, and it does have to do with a fragmented god.
Cernunnos is described as a shapechanging hunter.
However, he is also God of many other things as well: Lord of the Horned Serpent (dragons anyone?). Since he is also the God of Hoards...
I'm leaning toward an idea that Cernunnos was once an Arch-Fey of incredible power who was later fragmented when he was torn between continuing to act as guardian over his humanoid followers and remaining part of the Fey Court. He may have even been punished for refusing Titania...or spurning her.
We know that Auril was previously an Arch-Fey...and I believe that Cernunnos may have been one of the first Fey worshiped by Humans that began a long line of "Celtic" gods. Now, I don't know if they came from him or came with him...but I know that out of all the Celtic gods I've found, Cernunnos is EXTREMELY Fey-like.
I've even thought about Cernunnos originating in Faerun, and then later fragmenting into numerous gods...maybe even "Dagda the Dozen King" and others. To me, perhaps the "Celtic Pantheon" as loose as it is, could have originated TO Earth instead of the reverse.
Lot of rambling there...but I think I got across what I was trying to say in general.
Specifically, I'm leaning heavily toward Malar being one of the more animalistic aspects of Cernunnos that is instinctively trying to regain some of his power.
I remember some mention of a story concerning The Three in which Malar even tried to take some of Jergal's power at one point when he was giving that power to The Three.
Anyone know that story or can relate it please? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 23:13:11
Well, since the Yuir Totems have canonically (I think) become Achfey, and it makes some sense that the celtic pantheon is at least in-apart derived from Fey powers, and many of us have figured the Talfir for a neo-Celtic culture from the Realms (and therefor use Realms-versions of those gods), it would make perfect sense if the Yuir torems were the 'fey powers' mentioned at the beginning of the GHotR and were also the gods of early humans in the Realms, most notably the Talfir.
The humans at that time were barely neolithic, and would have to have adopted more advanced religious views and customs from the only other source available - those first Sylvan Elves. Before that they most likely revered totemic & ancestor spirits (a small piece of which survives today in the Uthgardt and some far north-eastern cultures, like the Issa-Cortae and Wu-Haltai).
The dwarves of the east (who appear more like tall Gnomes) also have a very primitive shamanistic culture as well. My thinking on this s that this group fell on some pretty hard times - my current thinking is that this was the remainder of the group that found the Black Diamond, and were thus 'cursed'. This is why they did not turn to the Fey Gods that so many other early groups did, but shunned them (or rather, were shunned by them). |
| Quale |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 19:51:03
I remember the thread about the lost Yuir deities, always thought Yuir and Talfir are somehow related cause of the stone circles. Never been a fan of Shevarash, if this was true he'd be more tolerable. He's not in good relations with Malar cause Malar is with Lolth.
Forgot about Mists of Avalon, ever read Mythago Wood by Holdstock, it has Herne. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 18:00:48
That sounds much more in keeping with the original concept of the 'Wild Huntsmen'. This was touched upon briefly in Mists of Avalon, wherein there was a contest comprising of a ritual hunt, where the 'new king' (chieftan/pack leader/ect) would seek out and destroy the earthly manifestation of the Huntsmen (who appeared as a massive stag during the hunt). Each time the ritual was performed, a new 'huntsmen' took form.
I just thought of a decent lore-patch tied to this. Awhile back Lord Karsus and I were mulling over the aberrant appearance of the Black Archer in a VERY early realms story (during the Dragon-rule era). We solved the anachronistic conundrum in the Elven netbook by saying there was an original fey power with this title, who was killed, and later when Shevarash ascended he took the title of 'The Black Archer' for himself. We had thought this original archer was probably one of the Yuir Totems, who we now know were archfey.
This could have been Cernunnos, who could have possibly been known as 'Herne' amongst the humans and Orcs of Faerun. This manifestation of the Huntsmen could have been killed either early in the Crown Wars, or just before them (when the dragons ruled over some Elves).
Hmmmmm... The Battle of God's Theater....
What if Cernunnos (in Elven form) were leading the troops of one of the factions against the other Elves (since the Black Archer is all about vengeance against betrayer-Elves), and Malar caught wind of it, and asked his old buddy Gruumsh to send a Horde at the elves, thus isolating Cernunnos from the army and enabling Malar to kill him undisturbed?
That scenario would sure as heck fit the name of that particular ill-fated engagement, and the time frame is perfect.
And as always, eventually 'The Huntsmen' arises anew in the form of yet another Herne - I get the feeling there may have been one between the death of the 1st black Archer and Shevarash, but who knows.
This would mean Malar is gunning for Shevarash - how are their relations? I have no books with me where I am.  |
| Quale |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 17:19:49
That would be a sound plan. The other possibility is that he's Earth's Herne who interloped multiple times. Or like you said elsewhere he's universal Herne, who transcends crystal spheres, that is a much better theory.
What if Herne rises and dies each time there is a Wild Hunt, it lasts until he meets a worthy, more primal opponent, then the hunter becomes the prey |
| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 02:16:39
Thus proving my point that the Herne slain in the Evermeet novel was NOT the Realms Herne.
Just a thought: What if there was a first battle between the two, probably in the Beastlands? Some sort of primal conflict between 'civilized' hunting and pure, feral bloodlust. Herne realizes he is about to lose, and 'detaches' his Avatars (granting them autonomy), thus fragmenting his power so Malar can't get to most of it. Malar is enraged, and spends the next few thousand years tracking-down and absorbing all the 'hernes' that he feels are rightfully his.
During the course of 'The Hunt', several of the (DvR1)Avatar's gain followers and momentum of their own, thus increasing their Divine rank and acquiring their own avatars, which only adds to Malars fury, frustration... and I suppose, fun. He has found the ultimate 'query' - one that can multiply and keep popping up forever.
Like I said, just a thought; just another of those 'Since the Dawn of Time' conflicts. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 01:02:16
Well, game products trump novels for me...and in Faiths and Avatars it clearly states that Malar slew Herne c. 1358 DR |
| Barastir |
Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 12:24:11
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Originally posted by Quale
... the mystery is why would Malar pretend to be Herne, where is the moral issue for orcs? Otherwise 30 000 years is a very, very long time to remember Herne.
I dunno, maybe it is easier to Malar to keep the orcs that weren't present at the site of the battle thinking they are worshipping Herne than introducing himself, maybe confusing them. Or simply, he doesn't care. Since their devotion is strengthening him, why bother saying to the orcs "Hey, your Herne was defeated, from now on call me Malar"? And then, how the name persisted? The orcs kept teaching their descendnts THIS name.  |
| Quale |
Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 09:49:27
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Originally posted by Barastir
By all I understand of gods killing and absorbing other deities, according to 2e sources, Malar could be venerated under the name/alias Herne, even if he is not the ORIGINAL Herne. That means that even if the humanoids from the High Forest say they are worshipping Herne, they are - willingly or not - directing their devotion to Malar. After all, now the ancient deity IS part of the Beast Lord, even if it was somehow corrupted. Of course, maybe this line of thinking is not valid anymore.
That's true. I think it's not the same case as e.g. Leira and Cyric, the mystery is why would Malar pretend to be Herne, where is the moral issue for orcs? Otherwise 30 000 years is a very, very long time to remember Herne. Maybe these orcs are immortal, like it appears that some of Tolkien's orcs are. Now you've given me an idea to use jhaguts from the Malazan world .
It seems to me that the murder of Herne happened in the Beastlands, Araushnee was the Spider Lord at the time. The Beast would be one of Ed's ''Watcher gods'' ... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 31 Aug 2010 : 20:45:03
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Originally posted by Barastir
And I'm not sure, but I really think the battle between Herne and Malar happens in Toril. I think it is confirmed a little later, in the same Evermeet novel.
Nope, I investigated and proved this point on the WotC boards some time ago.
In that scene, Araushnee comes upon Malar killing Herne and is impressed by his ferocity and enlisted his aid. She is present on the world the battle takes place on, and is STILL Araushnee at that time.
MUCH later her attention - as LOLTH - is drawn to Toril for the first time, when she takes note of that evil Dark-Elven (Ilythiir) Wizard (I forget his name and am not near sources), IIRC. It is specifically stated later in that novel when she first takes note of Toril and its inhabitants.
I doubt Lolth would 'forget' she had already been there, and had first encountered Malar there - that makes little sense to me.
And this thread and train of thought has got me re-thinking some things I had been considering about the Giants and Fey. {we need a head-scratching smiley!} |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 30 Aug 2010 : 16:42:32
Correction, I meant to say Faiths & Avatars, although the info about Herne can also be found in the main text of his entry in Faiths & Pantheons as well. |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 30 Aug 2010 : 16:39:06
You are correct. Malar did indeed take Herne's name as an alias and is still worshipped under that name by the orcs of the High Forest. See Faiths & Pantheons in Malar's entry under "Aliases." |
| Barastir |
Posted - 30 Aug 2010 : 12:25:51
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
... because we know that Herne is still worshipped in the High Forest, and there's Herne's Wood in the Utter East.
By all I understand of gods killing and absorbing other deities, according to 2e sources, Malar could be venerated under the name/alias Herne, even if he is not the ORIGINAL Herne. That means that even if the humanoids from the High Forest say they are worshipping Herne, they are - willingly or not - directing their devotion to Malar. After all, now the ancient deity IS part of the Beast Lord, even if it was somehow corrupted. Of course, maybe this line of thinking is not valid anymore.
And I'm not sure, but I really think the battle between Herne and Malar happens in Toril. I think it is confirmed a little later, in the same Evermeet novel. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 30 Aug 2010 : 02:43:35
One word: Cernunnos. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 22:20:24
Herne seems to me a very 'Elfy' god, and I would hazard to guess that he was part of some pre-Elven Fey pantheon.
Now, if you add-in Gray's take, or at least some portion of it, we wind up with an 'Orcish' power representing the feral side of the Hunt, and a Fey (Elven) power representing the civilized side of hunting - the dichotomy of two sides of the same coin - one Seelie (Seldarine), and one Unseelie (Anti-Seldarine).
If both powers were part of some earlier, more primal power that was shattered for whatever reason, it covers any gaffs in that both are two different versions of the same thing anyway.
Also, the Herne in the Evermeet novel was not killed on Toril, so it may have not even been the same Herne as the Torillian power. Malar may be 'hunting' all the 'lost bits' of himself when he was fragmented, all over the multiverse (which seems to be exactly what he was doing when Araushnee came upon him).
Just thought of something funny - given all the new lore we have, that entire scene could have taken place on Abeir.  |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 20:00:16
That is a good view on Malar; but not my own personal take on his origins.
To me, Malar would have been unleashed long ago on the world by Silvanus as punishment and an equalizing force against the rising tide of civilization wrought by the Elves.
That is just my thought, and I've yet to find anything to support that opinion. |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 16:25:40
Malar long had an association with Talos, and it turns out that Talos was revealed to be the human aspect of Gruumsh. I have long speculated that during the War of Light and Darkness, Shar brought fiends and other dark gods to Realmspace to fight in her war against Selûne and Chauntea. Gruumsh/Talos was one of these gods enlisted by Shar to fight on her side.
Now Malar is one of the Gods of Fury; he has always been associated with Talos. Malar is a nature god, in fact an embodiment of the savage side of nature, hunting, stalking, bloodlust and marauding. After careful consideration, I conclude that Malar had his origin during the War of Light and Darkness as the result of Talos forcing himself upon Chauntea in a savage assault. Malar is thus the son of Chauntea and Talos. And as Talos is Gruumsh, Malar is therefore Gruumsh's son.
This would help to explain Malar's hatred of elves and his alliance with the Anti-Seldarine. Malar is simply carrying on his father's vendetta against the scions of Corellon. |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 11:48:03
Malar is fine but... I hate when the characters are put there, strongest as a god, just to be beaten by the good guy without reason. |
| Quale |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 09:51:22
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Does anyone know when Malar killed Hern/Hurn/Herne?
I THINK it was during the Time of Troubles, from what I read in Faiths and Avatars...I'm just wanting to make sure.
According to the Evermeet novel it happened just before Araushnee met with Malar, pre-30 000 DR. Maybe that's just a myth representing the fragmentation of the Cult of the Beast (from Dragon 54), because we know that Herne is still worshipped in the High Forest, and there's Herne's Wood in the Utter East. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 29 Aug 2010 : 06:39:10
Does anyone know when Malar killed Hern/Hurn/Herne?
I THINK it was during the Time of Troubles, from what I read in Faiths and Avatars...I'm just wanting to make sure. |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 00:33:56
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
[quote]Originally posted by ShadezofDis
I agree; in the stories, Malar seems to have been presented as a stereotyped buffoonish hunter from a kid's cartoon rather than the terrible, blood-soaked force of nature that he is. Which really undercuts the menace he's supposed to present at times.
-You haven't yet read Sentinelspire.
No, I haven't. I assume they do something special with the Bloodlord in it? |
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