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| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 13:07:01
I know BG is borderline canon material, but in BG1 + TotSC there is a feature in Nashkel that has eluded my research so far. Clicking three times on a particular gravestone near the Temple of Helm summons a group of flaming warriors. These warriors can be defeated, but rise out of the flames again...
Does anyone know the origin of these Phoenix Guards (or the spell)?
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 21 Feb 2020 : 02:40:32
Master Rupert,
Thank you for clarifying, and sorry for the delay! :) I had to go back and reorganize my mind to flesh that out (for some reason, it was not working the way it should have for a minute).
When I posted my response, I was posting something from here at the 'Keep, which itself references canon sources, as a means to provide something with more validity, by a canon source.
Though, I am forgetting for some reason: are Dragon magazine issues considered canon? I just drew a blank!
Best regards as always!
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Rupert,
Are you referring to the following shared link?
http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm
If so, I checked it, and it was no longer a valid link. If it isn't the one you're referring to, I'm afraid I've overlooked what you're referencing.
Yes. He answered the question when it was asked 15 years ago. He also said it wasn't canon.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Feb 2020 : 21:47:56
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Rupert,
Are you referring to the following shared link?
http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm
If so, I checked it, and it was no longer a valid link. If it isn't the one you're referring to, I'm afraid I've overlooked what you're referencing.
Yes. He answered the question when it was asked 15 years ago. He also said it wasn't canon. |
| cpthero2 |
Posted - 20 Feb 2020 : 16:36:10
Master Rupert,
Are you referring to the following shared link?
http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm
If so, I checked it, and it was no longer a valid link. If it isn't the one you're referring to, I'm afraid I've overlooked what you're referencing.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Rupert,
I believe the source that Learned Scribe Senbar Flay was referring too was this tome here in the 'Keep:
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/retreat.htm
A great tome it is by the way!
No, he answered the question about the source 15 years ago.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Feb 2020 : 21:49:19
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Rupert,
I believe the source that Learned Scribe Senbar Flay was referring too was this tome here in the 'Keep:
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/retreat.htm
A great tome it is by the way!
No, he answered the question about the source 15 years ago. |
| cpthero2 |
Posted - 19 Feb 2020 : 21:08:10
Master Rupert,
I believe the source that Learned Scribe Senbar Flay was referring too was this tome here in the 'Keep:
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/retreat.htm
A great tome it is by the way!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Greetings you asked about the guard.  Well sources indicate that the elves hold a powerful book of prophesies called the Arcanum one of them is called the Finale by the elves witch details the coming of the seven supposedly strange creatures of evil origin. anyhow the elves knew that when the time came to defend the world they would play a major role and so a group of powerful elven leaders called the retreat. While others returned to Faerie. Where Elil Avelron was founded and the seven leadres led by Rarnadel created the Pheonix guard the main force of thousandes of elves withc make up a primary defence. The also defend elven communiteies. But they do not aid other towns besides elves beleiving it must remain a secret. Uf these aren't the guys then i know not who
Pray, what are these sources you refer to?
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| Forge |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:32:05
Honestly guys, I think the appearance of the warriors in the video game is more another facet of the game rather than a reference to obscure FR lore.
On the other hand, it was neat to see Wooly Rupert appearing in a game, even if he IS accompanied by a berserk and insane human. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 00:30:24
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
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Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Well I got this info from a site on the Dlaggradath net something like that it has info on all the races where it details the elven creaton of the Pheonix guard.
I found the scroll Senbar mentioned. http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm I would be interested to know how accurate this info is.
I dont' think its Canon I do remeber someone telling me it is fan created(I think) so I guess it's not accurate Canon wise. But it might relate to these phoenix warriors however I think it is unlikely since these guards have to do with the church of Helm more than these elves.
The site is fan created. The webmasters do appear to try to defer to source material, including novels and I suspect FR computer games.
However there are guards and there are guards. Even if having the same name it certainly can be a different order and have different pupose. |
| Senbar Flay |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 00:07:22
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Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Well I got this info from a site on the Dlaggradath net something like that it has info on all the races where it details the elven creaton of the Pheonix guard.
I found the scroll Senbar mentioned. http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm I would be interested to know how accurate this info is.
I dont' think its Canon I do remeber someone telling me it is fan created(I think) so I guess it's not accurate Canon wise. But it might relate to these phoenix warriors however I think it is unlikely since these guards have to do with the church of Helm more than these elves. |
| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 05:58:18
quote:
Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Well I got this info from a site on the Dlaggradath net something like that it has info on all the races where it details the elven creaton of the Pheonix guard.
I found the scroll Senbar mentioned. http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/retreat.htm I would be interested to know how accurate this info is. |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 18:59:30
I guess the whole thing might have been something purely for the game as there seem to be no 'canon' references to the Phoenix Guard.
That is unless the source Senbar Flay refers to mentions a canon source where they could have gotten their information from... |
| Senbar Flay |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 17:04:30
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
When I say sources i mean books novels net etc...
Perchance you could share the titles of these sources in order for the scribes here to search for those tomes and scrolls and read further detail for themselves?
Well I got this info from a site on the Dlaggradath net something like that it has info on all the races where it details the elven creaton of the Pheonix guard. |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 15:34:35
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
When I say sources i mean books novels net etc...
Perchance you could share the titles of these sources in order for the scribes here to search for those tomes and scrolls and read further detail for themselves? |
| Senbar Flay |
Posted - 05 May 2004 : 13:13:21
When I say sources i mean books novels net etc...
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 May 2004 : 06:04:02
quote:
Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Greetings you asked about the guard. Well sources indicate that the elves hold a powerful book of prophesies called the Arcanum one of them is called the Finale by the elves witch details the coming of the seven supposedly strange creatures of evil origin. anyhow the elves knew that when the time came to defend the world they would play a major role and so a group of powerful elven leaders called the retreat. While others returned to Faerie. Where Elil Avelron was founded and the seven leadres led by Rarnadel created the Pheonix guard the main force of thousandes of elves withc make up a primary defence. The also defend elven communiteies. But they do not aid other towns besides elves beleiving it must remain a secret. Uf these aren't the guys then i know not who
Pray, what are these sources you refer to? |
| Senbar Flay |
Posted - 05 May 2004 : 04:02:52
Greetings you asked about the guard. Well sources indicate that the elves hold a powerful book of prophesies called the Arcanum one of them is called the Finale by the elves witch details the coming of the seven supposedly strange creatures of evil origin. anyhow the elves knew that when the time came to defend the world they would play a major role and so a group of powerful elven leaders called the retreat. While others returned to Faerie. Where Elil Avelron was founded and the seven leadres led by Rarnadel created the Pheonix guard the main force of thousandes of elves withc make up a primary defence. The also defend elven communiteies. But they do not aid other towns besides elves beleiving it must remain a secret. Uf these aren't the guys then i know not who |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 15:20:05
Following your lead, I went through my copy of Monsters of Faerun again, but couldn't find the reference. For completeness sakes, I also took the Monster Manual for a search, but again came up empty handed.
The only 'Phoenix' references I found were the mythological bird of the same name and an item in Magic of Faerun called: 'Phoenix Helm'. However both do not seem to be linked to the BG effect other then the name... |
| Captain Louis |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 02:28:30
I may be mistaken, but I think I saw an entry for Phoenix Guards in Monsters of Faerun. |
| Echon |
Posted - 27 Nov 2002 : 17:48:50
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Maybe this is one of the Realm's little unsolved mysteries awaiting official disclosure by the Greenwood himself...
I have asked the question about the Phoenix Guard two or three years ago on the Realms-L as well... to no avail. No-one seems to know the (canon) answer.
Intrigueing...
BioWare may have made them up. That is not at all unlikely.
-Echon |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 27 Nov 2002 : 17:46:13
Maybe this is one of the Realm's little unsolved mysteries awaiting official disclosure by the Greenwood himself...
I have asked the question about the Phoenix Guard two or three years ago on the Realms-L as well... to no avail. No-one seems to know the (canon) answer.
Intrigueing... |
| Echon |
Posted - 27 Nov 2002 : 17:41:25
They appeared in Durlag's Tower as well.
-Echon |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 25 Oct 2002 : 08:00:45
The thing about the Phoenix Guard that bothers me most, is that I think I have seen a reference to them in one of the recent 3e products, however I can't find said reference anymore. I had never seen anything hinting at them in 2e. However, the Guard appear almost like some sort of a summoning spell. <makes mental note to browse through some 3e material...again.> |
| Drummer Boy |
Posted - 25 Oct 2002 : 00:43:42
Yeah, me too! I want to try that. |
| Darwin Tenderfoot |
Posted - 14 Oct 2002 : 01:38:39
Really you can do that, I beat the game without even knowing that. I'll have to check that out!! |
| Ditalidas |
Posted - 11 Oct 2002 : 15:56:02
I have no idea. It was one of the places in BG that kept intriguing me... and every time I passed the gravestones I could not help but klicking on them.
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