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| tim3kgt |
Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 20:11:44
I'm pretty sure Mr. Salvatore would like this as much as the rest of us. Perhaps we could find a way to let WOTC know how much we all want to see this !! Any ideas? comments?
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| Sightless |
Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 20:39:04
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, I believe it's mainly for those who refuse to acknowledge ANY god, rahter than simply because they worship Ao. At least that would be acknowledging ONE god....
Logically yes, but according to "Faiths" that's not the case. Just as clericks of Ao don't get spells from him either. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 18:59:15
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, I believe it's mainly for those who refuse to acknowledge ANY god, rahter than simply because they worship Ao. At least that would be acknowledging ONE god....
That is true. I'm hearing contradicting sources (which doesn't seem to be too unusual these days heh). |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 07:39:36
Actually, I believe it's mainly for those who refuse to acknowledge ANY god, rahter than simply because they worship Ao. At least that would be acknowledging ONE god.... |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 16 Sep 2012 : 20:28:07
Good thing most people don't know about him then, huh? |
| Sightless |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 22:03:41
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Well, even if it is an illusion, at least they're happy. And I heard that the Wall of the Faithless is for truly bab people who go against ALL the gods, so I doubt the Companions would have that problem.
Actually anyone that worships Ao is supposed to wind up there, whether they are good or not. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 19:17:56
Well, even if it is an illusion, at least they're happy. And I heard that the Wall of the Faithless is for truly bab people who go against ALL the gods, so I doubt the Companions would have that problem. |
| Spencer |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 17:55:49
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Originally posted by Entromancer
There's always the chance that Iruladoon is an illusion....with the companions actually being chained to the Wall of the Faithless.
That would be incredibly cool, but it would also never happen :( |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 17:52:25
@Gavinho: I do remember that scene in Erevis Cale, when Jak was reunited with his family, and he was happy yet sad, because he felt he lost something. Then I remember Cale died in Mephistopheles' realm, and Jak said "I have so much to show you", so it is possible he somehow was able to see Jak, even though Jak was in the Golden Fields with the halflings. But that goes back to what BEAST was saying about whether or not your afterlife should be defined by your race.
@ No worries, I've read Gauntlgrym. I'm on Charon's Claw right now (among other books). I do get the impression that Jarlaxle genuinely cares for Drizzt. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 13:19:24
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Well, call me a sap, but I like it when companions (whatever their relationship, be it friends, lovers, family), end up in the same afterlife. It's the afterlife, after all! You wouldn't want to be without those you love. Ohh that's a good series! The Twilight Wars, too, but who are you referring to? Cale and Jak?
It's not a bad thing...just every individuals "list" of loved ones varies by a few people....so someone gets there perfect afterlife and everyone else gets a slightly diminished one.
And no spoilers, but Gauntlgrym gave some insight why Jarlaxle was so invested in Drizzt....some of it is because He is Zak's son, but was interesting to see theres a much more emotional reason. |
| Captain Grafalcon |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 03:30:13
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Well, call me a sap, but I like it when companions (whatever their relationship, be it friends, lovers, family), end up in the same afterlife. It's the afterlife, after all! You wouldn't want to be without those you love. Ohh that's a good series! The Twilight Wars, too, but who are you referring to? Cale and Jak?
Spoilers!!!!
It´s Jak...he stays with his family eating and fishing...who guides him there is a halfling that, in a sugestive way,represents his deity, Brandobaris. |
| Sightless |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 02:15:35
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Well, call me a sap, but I like it when companions (whatever their relationship, be it friends, lovers, family), end up in the same afterlife. It's the afterlife, after all! You wouldn't want to be without those you love. Ohh that's a good series! The Twilight Wars, too, but who are you referring to? Cale and Jak?
Perhaps it’s something like the heaven in the “jhento’Shin Jhti.”
The individual heavens have transitory walls, with the faitful being first sent to the abode of their gods in normal cases, but being allowed to journey to other places throughout heaven at will. Now, of course this is under normal circumstances; perhaps Mielikki´s pulled a favor to allow them to go there first… or maybe not and is currently barried under heavenly paperwork. Ao, overseer of the Celestial bureaucracy, now there’s an interesting thought.
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| Entromancer |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 01:16:32
There's always the chance that Iruladoon is an illusion....with the companions actually being chained to the Wall of the Faithless. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 20:01:13
Well, call me a sap, but I like it when companions (whatever their relationship, be it friends, lovers, family), end up in the same afterlife. It's the afterlife, after all! You wouldn't want to be without those you love. Ohh that's a good series! The Twilight Wars, too, but who are you referring to? Cale and Jak? |
| Captain Grafalcon |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 20:44:24
Haha we love the Companions and Zaknafein so much that we always want to know what happens next,afterlife or no.And like Beast already said family matter a lot, including the Realms. Now that I´m thinking of it,another character stays with the ones they love in the afterlife. in (The Erevis Cale trilogy). |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 19:07:24
Everyone here made very good points, and it is all definately something to think about. I hope Drizzt sees Zak in the afterlife again (so long as it's a good one), and at least Catti, because whatever your opinions of Dahlia may be, I think he loved Cat more. And speaking of Dahlia, if/when she dies, do you think she will go to Arvandor because she is an elf, even though as far as we know, she does not have a patron god?
@Seravin: I have wondered what the Companions title for Drizzt's books in the Sundering means, especially, and I since I don't think Bob knew about the Sundering when they originally went to Iruladoon, it will be interesting to see. I have mixed feelings about Bruenor and Wulfgar ending up there, just because they did have heroic lives/deaths, and logically, Bruenor would want to be with Moradin and Wulfgar with Tempus. But Bruenor at least, seemed very happy to see Catti-brie and "Rumble-Belly" again. I really hope Drizzt gets to be with his father though, or at least know where he is, since his ghost told Drizzt he was in a good place. |
| Seravin |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 18:41:08
Beast - You make very good points on Regis, I agree that the Companions are the closest thing he has to a family (as I said). Bruenor would have dwarven relatives and friends that I'm sure he'd like to be with in his afterlife, and his own God (Clangeddin? Moradin?) that would want him I should think. But Bruenor would certainly long for Drizzt and Cattie-Bree to be sure, it would be fitting if he could travel back and forth from a more traditional dwarf King afterlife to Iruladoon at will.
I guess the biggest problem I have is with Wulfgar. It's also possible that the Wulfgar in Iruladoon is simply a manifestation of what Regis/Cattie/Bruenor (the current inhabitants) want to see, rather than his actual spirit which would be with Tempus and his proud Barbarian people.
The whole concept is a bit strange to hold 3 characters in a limbo paradise rather than a true afterlife. I'm wondering if the Sundering will be meant to transfer them all back from Iruladoon to the living realms and reunite the Companions. Which is fitting for Regis and Cattie, as they had pisspoor send offs in GhostKing, but for Wulfgar and Bruenor (especially) I think they had heroic and noble ends and I wouldn't want them back.
Thoughts? |
| Captain Grafalcon |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 18:15:28
I agreed with you Beast, all Drizzt friends would be real happy to be rewarded with Drizzt´s company, even for one more time. But, like you said, Realmslore of most novels proves other type of experience. The Realms( and maybe the Multiverse?)are more balanced between Law and Chaos, Good or Evil are just consequences of them, the Avatar series shows some of it. However, in the end, Bob may prove that all the Companions were Mielikki´s chosen,so Iruladoon is fully justified... |
| BEAST |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 05:22:09
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Originally posted by Gavinho
While i´m pretty much happy for Drizzt to have their friends gathered in Iruladoon, basically "waiting" for him, how could a legend like Wulfgar not be claimed by Tempus? Ok, we don´t know if Iruladoon is really his definitive home, but if I´m a devoted warrior from the Icewind tribes and, by some means, learns that Wulfgar, after all his sacrifice, battles and faith is not beside Tempus, witch hope a simple warrior can have , in the afterlife to live in the walls of the god of war?That goes for Bruenor as well.
Well, like I said, Drizzt never fully bought into all the Mielikki hype/liturgy, himself, but that hasn't stopped him from identifying with her faith, and apparently it hasn't stopped her from choosing him.
Maybe she could choose others who never completely bought into her faith, either?
Right now, methinks the real answer probably lies more with Iruladoon not being a definitive home. Like I said, it seems more like a Limbo realm, where the souls of the other Companions are waiting until Drizzt bites it. In the TV show Lost, most of the various characters died and then went into an alternate reality colloquially known as the "Flash-Sideways Universe". In this universe, they lived very different lives than what they had in real life, and then they each were brought to a church, and when all of the main goodly characters had been assembled, they collectively stepped into the light and moved on, together. Iruladoon seems kinda like the church, with people being collected when they die, waiting for the next soul to arrive, so they can all be together, and say "Hi" again, after all this time. But the question remains as to what happens next, for them. Are they all going to step into the light together, or also say "Bye" and go off into their traditional afterlife abodes?
The latter makes the most sense, given established Realmslore.
But it sounds like Bob is using all of this to get us to ask ourselves what makes the most sense for these characters? Does it seem best for them to be torn apart and spiritually, fatalistically classified by their races? Isn't that kinda cruel? Isn't it a very limited, narrow-minded type of racial discrimination and segregation? Should traditional religious mores of closed societies be strictly applied during the afterlife to the members of multicultural, mixed-race adventure parties, when those members didn't uphold any strict, divisive religious mores between themselves while alive? Or should they enjoy their afterlives together, just like they spent the best years of their lives?
If all evil creatures could be said to be living embodiments/expressions/manifestations/avatars of the singular concept of evil, then might all the goodly gods be living embodiments/expressions/manifestations/avatars of a singular concept of good? If so, then what good does it do to be strict about splitting up souls between the goodly gods along racial lines? Couldn't they be viewed as, kinda-sorta, ultimately all belonging to the same place/destination?
I don't know, but I think this is what Bob is toying around with, right now. He's asking himself, and asking us to ask ourselves, these kinds of questions. Regardless of how the powers-that-be come down on this, I think it's worth considering. The old "the-only-good-orc-is-a-dead-orc" mantra has been shattered; why not the traditional "race-based-religion", too?
In The Legend of Drizzt Anthology: The Collected Stories, the Wulfgar tale "To Legend He Goes" ends abruptly with Wulfgar's soul arriving in Iruladoon and wondering WTF just happened. In the preface from Bob, the author says that he wants readers to ask tough questions about that situation, just like Wulfgar was doing. What does it mean to end up in a different afterlife abode than what you were expecting, and than what your race expects? Is that a judgment on you? Is something wrong? Is it really about what hasn't happened (showing up where you traditionally would expect), or is it really more about what has happened (showing up with your most-loved ones)?
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Originally posted by Seravin
I don't think Wulfgar (or really Bruenor or Regis) should end up in Iruladoon.
Like I said, maybe they won't actually "end up" there. Maybe this is a just a temporary stopping point. Maybe they're just waiting on layover!
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For Wulfgar, it would be like one of us ending up in heaven with our college buddies we haven't seen in decades rather than our wives/children/parents/life-long friends.
There are some who would rather go to the afterlife with their old college buddies moreso than with their wives!
Some would rather relive their glory days with their childhood friends, or their long-lost family pets. (I'm always gonna miss my Miniature Schnauzer Scruffy!  )
Just because you ended up in your physical life with one family and/or set of friends doesn't necessarily mean that that was your best circle of loved ones--it was just your last. You might actually prefer a totally different circle.
This goes back to the Biblical question of a person who remarries in life, and then wonders which spouse they'll end up with in the afterlife. In the Christian New Testament, Jesus sidesteps the issue by saying that there is no marriage in Heaven, but rather, just brothers and sisters. Nevertheless, it's still a good question for non-Biblical perspectives of the afterlife.
In Gauntlgrym, when Bruenor's soul shows up in Iruladoon, Wulfgar is there, and he seems pretty happy, in the few brief moments that we get to see him. He seems to have adjusted nicely and to have gotten over his initial "WTF" reaction. So maybe the Companions were his personal preference as to afterlife buddies?
Or maybe they're just his preferred temporary layover buddies.
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Bruenor should be with the Dwarves
Why do you think that? I think Bob wants us to really examine this issue, rather than fall back on any easy answers. Should race trump all? Or does the fact that Bruenor was happiest when he was adventuring with a mixed-race party mean something? Was that family more important to him in life than race? Why shouldn't it be in the afterlife, too?
What does it even mean to suggest that race should define one's afterlife, anyway? Why should anyone be categorized and sorted according to one's race when one is dead? Why does that even matter?
Shouldn't one's personal happiness be a more important factor?
Bob has joked that he hopes that the afterlife is about more than just marching around in white robes, blowing on trumpets, banging on cymbals, and strumming on harps! Shouldn't the afterlife be about more than just duty to something great other beyond oneself? Shouldn't there be some personal joy to it, too?
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Regis was a bit of a loner and spent the last 20 years of his life I believe with Drizzt/Bruenor so maybe more sensible if his early days were as a street thief in the South.
From my calculations, Regis was born in 1306 DR, then fled from Calimport in 1346 DR, arrived in Icewind Dale and became a part of the Companions in early 1349 DR, was taken back to Calimport after 10 years on the lam in 1356 DR at age 50, was brought to Mithral Hall in 1358 DR, and died in 1385 DR. He died at age 79, having spent 36 years with the Companions--almost half his life. Because of some mysterious bad past event, he did not think that he would ever be happy with other halfings in Calimport. The Companions were the only family he ever knew.
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Hopefully Iruladoon is somewhat transient for those so that they can spend time there with the Companions of the Hall and then go to their rightful afterlives (and back) at will?
That brings to mind the interpretation of Iruladoon as being almost like the Nexus in Star Trek: Generations. What if it really is as simple as willing yourself to leave it, and rejoin the living back on the Material Plane? I don't recall: can people go back into the Nexus, once they leave?
Man, wouldn't that be trippy, if the afterlife was arranged like that, Seravin: "Ah, yeah, this week, I'm gonna be at my afterlife home; and then next week, I'm gonna be spending time with the fam down at my second afterlife home; and then two weeks from now--yeah, that's right, I said my second afterlife home--anyway, two weeks from now . . ."   |
| Seravin |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 18:21:46
I don't think Wulfgar (or really Bruenor or Regis) should end up in Iruladoon. For Wulfgar, it would be like one of us ending up in heaven with our college buddies we haven't seen in decades rather than our wives/children/parents/life-long friends. Bruenor should be with the Dwarves; Regis was a bit of a loner and spent the last 20 years of his life I believe with Drizzt/Bruenor so maybe more sensible if his early days were as a street thief in the South.
Hopefully Iruladoon is somewhat transient for those so that they can spend time there with the Companions of the Hall and then go to their rightful afterlives (and back) at will? |
| Captain Grafalcon |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 18:02:14
All this stuff about Iruladoon have value.Its possible that in the future novels Zak could be there, who knows?Until now we know that only the Companions are there. While i´m pretty much happy for Drizzt to have their friends gathered in Iruladoon, basically "waiting" for him, how could a legend like Wulfgar not be claimed by Tempus? Ok, we don´t know if Iruladoon is really his definitive home, but if I´m a devoted warrior from the Icewind tribes and, by some means, learns that Wulfgar, after all his sacrifice, battles and faith is not beside Tempus, witch hope a simple warrior can have , in the afterlife to live in the walls of the god of war?That goes for Bruenor as well.
Salvatore is very creative, he can make other Collective stories with many characters |
| Sightless |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 02:41:30
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by BEAST Thats my problem in a nutshell....it's ALL about Drizzt....Wulfgar belonged to Tempus....and he spent his last years as far from Drizzt and Cattie as possible....so D mans perfect afterlife(which WotC may never let him reach) is an eternal punishment or Wulfgar.
First, I don't play the game--I only read the novels and the lorebooks--so the letter of the law about which afterlife one goes to and why all seems a little less than totally important to me. (I'm that way with RW religion, too.) Mielikki took Drizzt in, even though he has never fully bought into all of the formal trappings of her faith, himself. The mere agreement with the basic tenets of her code of ethics seems to have been enough. Maybe it was enough for embrace his Companions, too?
Second, Wulf and Bruenor both certainly expressed initial concern about not arriving at their traditional racial/religious afterlife abodes, but they seem to have come to grips with it soon enough. It's all about the love, man! 
Third, don't forget that the name Iruladoon is Elvish for "place without time". So whatever the heck the other Companions are doing there right now (whatever that means), does not necessarily mean that they will be doing it eternally. It might not even seem like a century has passed for them, while they're inside it, at all. They're preserved as perpetually youthful in there, so maybe they don't sense a passage of time in there, one bit?
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but Wulgar went from hero to zero...way under utilized and over abused IMHO
Meh. He always struck me as the hunky jock stereotype, so I never invested much in him."
He became that, but there was the chance for him to be so much more. He was the chance to truely explore the possible divide between Civilized society in a Fantasy setting, represented so much by the dwarves, and the barbarian. He could have examined the changing relationship between Dwarvan society, as it attempts to deal with the exceptance of a dark elf, his own issues with a system that goes well beyond what he knews, etc, etc. None of that was explored at all. His development is touched on in broad brush strocks, his attempts to understand himself as who he is, equally so.
It's the loss of Bruenor which stung me, most.
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that's why him going to Drizzt's perfect afterlife really irks me.
Because he's just being treated as window dressing in Drizzt's life, rather than as an individual with his own values and motivations, dreams and goals, etc.?
That is something that somebody really needs to address to Bob. He didn't just switch over his focus from Wulf to Drizzt--he essentially made his version of the Realms Drizztocentric: everybody else revolves around Drizzt! 
What have we lost, in that highly successful authorial obsession with/fixation upon the central drow?
I am in no way indicting Bob for it, simply by asking the question. I get it that the fans clamored for it, and TSR pushed for it, and then WOTC probably has being continuously pushing for it, too.
And I'm grateful for most of what he's given us readers, because Drizzt is a great character.
But again, what else have we lost, that we otherwise might've gained, because of this bias toward, this quasi-deification, of Drizzt Do'Urden?
The complete tale of the retaking of Mithral Hall, for one. Gawdz, I wanted to read that story, in full!
[quote]I'd like to see a short story or two about Zak and Jarlaxle .....but not a novel or series. A couple capers from their past could go along way to revealing what happened.
I want as much as possible.
I have suggested that Jar's alleged "betrayal" of Zak was not just a single fight, but rather, a huge conspiracy. Recall Jar's having propped Enteri up as pasha in Calimport (Servant of the Shard), and later as King of Vaasa in the Bloodstone Lands (Road of the Patriarch), and then doing much the same with High Captain Kensidan "the Crow" Borlann in Luskan (The Pirate King), only to desire the real power to remain with himself and Bregan D'aerthe. So what if Jar originally propped up rebellious, defiant Zak as the first would-be leader of Bregan D'aerthe, only to pull the rug out from underneath him and then take the reins, himself? Could the loss of such a post, and all that it seemed to represent, just to see the association devolve to organized crime for profit, have been enough to kill Zak's spirit, and feel hopeless and trapped? We've been told that it took centuries for Jar to build Bregan D'aerthe--it didn't happen overnight. And it only came to prominence in the last century before Drizzt's birth. So that might've meant that Jar had used somebody else to front for him for a while, and possibly be a patsy if the early experiment had failed.
I think there's plenty of stuff there to fill out a whole book.
I think it goes deeper than that, but that's definately part of the issue. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 02:04:53
I've never cared much for Wulfgar, so it didn't bother me much that he didn't get enough screentime. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 01:18:18
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Thats my problem in a nutshell....it's ALL about Drizzt....Wulfgar belonged to Tempus....and he spent his last years as far from Drizzt and Cattie as possible....so D mans perfect afterlife(which WotC may never let him reach) is an eternal punishment or Wulfgar.
First, I don't play the game--I only read the novels and the lorebooks--so the letter of the law about which afterlife one goes to and why all seems a little less than totally important to me. (I'm that way with RW religion, too.) Mielikki took Drizzt in, even though he has never fully bought into all of the formal trappings of her faith, himself. The mere agreement with the basic tenets of her code of ethics seems to have been enough. Maybe it was enough for embrace his Companions, too?
Second, Wulf and Bruenor both certainly expressed initial concern about not arriving at their traditional racial/religious afterlife abodes, but they seem to have come to grips with it soon enough. It's all about the love, man!
Third, don't forget that the name Iruladoon is Elvish for "place without time". So whatever the heck the other Companions are doing there right now (whatever that means), does not necessarily mean that they will be doing it eternally. It might not even seem like a century has passed for them, while they're inside it, at all. They're preserved as perpetually youthful in there, so maybe they don't sense a passage of time in there, one bit?
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but Wulgar went from hero to zero...way under utilized and over abused IMHO
Meh. He always struck me as the hunky jock stereotype, so I never invested much in him.
It's the loss of Bruenor which stung me, most.
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that's why him going to Drizzt's perfect afterlife really irks me.
Because he's just being treated as window dressing in Drizzt's life, rather than as an individual with his own values and motivations, dreams and goals, etc.?
That is something that somebody really needs to address to Bob. He didn't just switch over his focus from Wulf to Drizzt--he essentially made his version of the Realms Drizztocentric: everybody else revolves around Drizzt!
What have we lost, in that highly successful authorial obsession with/fixation upon the central drow?
I am in no way indicting Bob for it, simply by asking the question. I get it that the fans clamored for it, and TSR pushed for it, and then WOTC probably has being continuously pushing for it, too.
And I'm grateful for most of what he's given us readers, because Drizzt is a great character.
But again, what else have we lost, that we otherwise might've gained, because of this bias toward, this quasi-deification, of Drizzt Do'Urden?
The complete tale of the retaking of Mithral Hall, for one. Gawdz, I wanted to read that story, in full!
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I'd like to see a short story or two about Zak and Jarlaxle .....but not a novel or series. A couple capers from their past could go along way to revealing what happened.
I want as much as possible.
I have suggested that Jar's alleged "betrayal" of Zak was not just a single fight, but rather, a huge conspiracy. Recall Jar's having propped Enteri up as pasha in Calimport (Servant of the Shard), and later as King of Vaasa in the Bloodstone Lands (Road of the Patriarch), and then doing much the same with High Captain Kensidan "the Crow" Borlann in Luskan (The Pirate King), only to desire the real power to remain with himself and Bregan D'aerthe. So what if Jar originally propped up rebellious, defiant Zak as the first would-be leader of Bregan D'aerthe, only to pull the rug out from underneath him and then take the reins, himself? Could the loss of such a post, and all that it seemed to represent, just to see the association devolve to organized crime for profit, have been enough to kill Zak's spirit, and feel hopeless and trapped? We've been told that it took centuries for Jar to build Bregan D'aerthe--it didn't happen overnight. And it only came to prominence in the last century before Drizzt's birth. So that might've meant that Jar had used somebody else to front for him for a while, and possibly be a patsy if the early experiment had failed.
I think there's plenty of stuff there to fill out a whole book. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 00:44:46
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
[...] he first learned about Mielikki from that human guy (his name escapes me)[...].
Montolio "Mooshie" DeBrouchee.
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Originally posted by Yoss
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I'd like to read more about Robillard......or the Harpells, didn't D visit their home?
I vaguely remember in one of the books I didn't care much for (transition era, I suppose?) going back to see the Harpells and there was some less-than-goodly-moral stuff going on there he didn't like but found a way to justify why they were doing what they were doing. I was never really a fan of their comic relief.
That was in The Pirate King, when Drizzt & Regis were travelling from Mithral Hall to Luskan, and they decided to stop at Longsaddle and the Ivy Mansion along the way. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:54:01
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie.
Wulf got pulled in there because he was such a close friend, more like a little brother, to Drizzt in life. It's a gift to Drizzt to have his most-loved ones kept together in the afterlife.
Delly was nothing special to Drizzt. He barely met her in Sea of Swords, and then in "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy" he was too busy whacking orcs to bother with her before she went off and got herself killed. I don't see her being whisked away to his fairy land happy happy place.
It would be a gift to Wulfgar, rather than to Drizzt. But everything so far indicates that this particular corner of Iruladoon is all about Drizzt, rather than anyone else.
I liked the portrayal of the afterlife in the TV show Lost, in which the entirety of the main cast spent time in a type of Limbo realm (the Flash-Sideways universe) after each one died, until the last one bit it, and then they all went off to the next phase of the afterlife together, as a united group: spouses, significant others, BFFs, etc., two-by-two, just like the animals in Noah's Ark! That was beautiful.
But this version of the afterlife seems to be all about preserving Drizzt's closest friends, rather than preserving their entire extended family.
Thats my problem in a nutshell....it's ALL about Drizzt....Wulfgar belonged to Tempus....and he spent his last years as far from Drizzt and Cattie as possible....so D mans perfect afterlife(which WotC may never let him reach) is an eternal punishment or Wulfgar.
I know Wulfgar was supposed to be the main focus of that crew and D took over by popular demand...I'm cool with that....but Wulgar went from hero to zero...way under utilized and over abused IMHO....that's why him going to Drizzt's perfect afterlife really irks me.
And looks like I'm waaaaayyyyy off topic...
I'd like to see a short story or two about Zak and Jarlaxle .....but not a novel or series. A couple capers from their past could go along way to revealing what happened. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:50:14
This fact could show that Mielikki really cares abotu Drizzt, and she wants him to be reunited with his friends when it is his time. Still, I want him to see Zak again, and it would be nice if he could be in Iruladoon as well. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:38:37
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie.
Wulf got pulled in there because he was such a close friend, more like a little brother, to Drizzt in life. It's a gift to Drizzt to have his most-loved ones kept together in the afterlife.
Delly was nothing special to Drizzt. He barely met her in Sea of Swords, and then in "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy" he was too busy whacking orcs to bother with her before she went off and got herself killed. I don't see her being whisked away to his fairy land happy happy place.
It would be a gift to Wulfgar, rather than to Drizzt. But everything so far indicates that this particular corner of Iruladoon is all about Drizzt, rather than anyone else.
I liked the portrayal of the afterlife in the TV show Lost, in which the entirety of the main cast spent time in a type of Limbo realm (the Flash-Sideways universe) after each one died, until the last one bit it, and then they all went off to the next phase of the afterlife together, as a united group: spouses, significant others, BFFs, etc., two-by-two, just like the animals in Noah's Ark! That was beautiful.
But this version of the afterlife seems to be all about preserving Drizzt's closest friends, rather than preserving their entire extended family. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 18:27:16
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Originally posted by BEAST
Yeah, I was talking about Catti-brie.
I don't recall any discussion of Delly's religious beliefs.
I can't find it right now, but I think that Drizzt has described Zaknafein as following the ways of Mielikki, too. Maybe that tells us something about Iruladoon, too?
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 18:07:56
I wouldn't mind knwoing what Maimun is up to. In the Stone of Tymora trilogy for young readers, Maimun was with the girl Joen, but there was no mention of her in PK. |
| Sightless |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 15:14:06
Yes, either about Robillard past, or about where he goes after the Pirate King. I could see him staying an active player in Sword Cost politics, whether he wanted to, or not, in some way or another. |
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