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tim3kgt
Acolyte
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 Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 20:11:44
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I'm pretty sure Mr. Salvatore would like this as much as the rest of us. Perhaps we could find a way to let WOTC know how much we all want to see this !! Any ideas? comments?
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 20:28:34
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| I would much rather read that than another Drizzt novel in current time. There has to be much there to tell. Id love to see it. Also excited that Bob may be doing two realms novels a year. He wanted to do a novel with different characters years ago, but wasnt able to. New characters by Bob would be a good thing. So with two novels yearly, surely one per will be something differnat. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 00:45:41
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| I'd love to see him get a shot at the monk novel he wanted. His Demon Wars novel, Transcendance has a pretty cool martial arts monk as a secondary character. Another series set in Corona, the world of the Demon Wars, features a monk-rogue known as the Highwayman. The combination of the magical and martial is something I'd like to see from Bob in the Realms setting. Hopefully in the Bloodstone Lands. I really came to love that place due to the Sellswords Trilogy. |
"...the will is everything. The will to act."--Ra's Al Ghul
"Suffering builds character."--Talia Al Ghul |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 20:02:33
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| Maybe Kane, a character from the Sellswords trilogy was the monk Salvatore wanted to write years ago, and he found a way putting this charecter in the Bloodstone lands beside King Gareth Dragonsbane. I would love to read more of Zaknafein, especially with Jarlaxle involved.Some novel could explore Zaknafein´s frustration with the drow society and the path he walked to be different. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 05:55:32
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I loved Zak, but reading a backstory on him would make me sad, because I know he dies, and because he's likely in Lolth's realm, suffering who knows what kind of torment *sniffles* I'd rather not read something about him unless I know his soul had a better fate :(
But Jarlaxle...now that would be awesome! |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1299 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 15:29:23
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A Zak book which somehow goes into his backstory and Jarlaxle moments while ending with him being freed from Lolth/Lloth's clutches in the afterlife would be SO amazing.
After this "sundering" nonsense is away and the authors are allowed to write in any time period, I hope stories like this surface.
And hell, tell us more about Kane.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 20:16:02
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| A Zak and Jarlaxle novel would be pretty slick. I would definitely like to know more about House Do'Urden's history. Maybe we could the time where Matron Vartha died and everyone was about 100 years old. :) |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 20:56:56
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Originally posted by Seravin
A Zak book which somehow goes into his backstory and Jarlaxle moments while ending with him being freed from Lolth/Lloth's clutches in the afterlife would be SO amazing.
After this "sundering" nonsense is away and the authors are allowed to write in any time period, I hope stories like this surface.
And hell, tell us more about Kane.
That would be awesome. I'd love to see Zak's soul go somewhere nicer. He did not deserve the fate he got :( |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 21:43:34
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I loved Zak, but reading a backstory on him would make me sad, because I know he dies, and because he's likely in Lolth's realm, suffering who knows what kind of torment *sniffles* I'd rather not read something about him unless I know his soul had a better fate :(
At the end of the novel Passage to Dawn, Drizzt communicates with Zaknafein's spirit, and Zak tells him that he is in a good place now, so there's no reason for Drizzt to worry about him.  |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 02:54:48
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| Yes Beast, good point, when Drizzt is in the Spirit Soaring Cadderly communicates with Zak.I would love to read novels from others Salvatore´s characters, like Deudermont´s first years at the Sea Sprite. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 03:21:01
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Really? Wow, I totally don't remember that *looks up* Ah, yes, that is comforting, though I would like to know what realm his soul is at peace in, you know? I also wonder if Salvatore remembers that Zak told Drizzt they would meet again. I do not particularly want Drizzt to die, but I hope when/if Salvatore kills him, I want him to write a scene at the end of the book that shows him being reunited with the ones he loved :) but I'm a sap, so that's just me.
A book about Jarlaxle's past would be great! Heck, I'd love to read a book about Jarlaxle in the present!
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 03:42:29
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I loved Zak, but reading a backstory on him would make me sad, because I know he dies, and because he's likely in Lolth's realm, suffering who knows what kind of torment *sniffles*
Zak is another wonderful character. He hated Lolth, so I doubt he would go the Demonweb Pits in the afterlife. I'm not really sure where he would go, though, since he never displayed any affinity for any particular deity in Homeland.
But like I said, his spirit did tell Drizzt that he's at peace now, so apparently some goodly god did take him in.
That being said, Zak told Drizzt that he felt trapped in Menzoberranzan, and he wouldn't even consider Drizzt's offer to flee the City of Spiders and go rogue. While Zak repudiated the Spider Queen, he still was committed to her city. I know he's a mighty heroic figure in the Drizzt stories and all, but something about his unwillingness to start fresh elsewhere strikes me as cowardly, and his ongoing contribution to the evil ways of that city seems somewhat evil. He enabled and empowered the matron mothers by killing for them, no matter how much he rationalized that killing and found personal joy in it. He's a tragic character like that. (Scribe "Lady Fellshot" compared him to the TV serial killer "Dexter", in that way.)
I think it would be even more fittingly tragic if he had not made it into a nice abode after death. It's great that he avoided Lolth's domain, because of his beliefs about her. But it still seems that there should've been some sort of divine punishment for his choice to remain a pawn of the vile matriarchy.
Maybe there was, but it was only a temporary punishment, like Catholic Purgatory or something?  |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 04:27:22
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I loved Zak, but reading a backstory on him would make me sad, because I know he dies, and because he's likely in Lolth's realm, suffering who knows what kind of torment *sniffles*
Zak is another wonderful character. He hated Lolth, so I doubt he would go the Demonweb Pits in the afterlife. I'm not really sure where he would go, though, since he never displayed any affinity for any particular deity in Homeland.
But like I said, his spirit did tell Drizzt that he's at peace now, so apparently some goodly god did take him in.
That being said, Zak told Drizzt that he felt trapped in Menzoberranzan, and he wouldn't even consider Drizzt's offer to flee the City of Spiders and go rogue. While Zak repudiated the Spider Queen, he still was committed to her city. I know he's a mighty heroic figure in the Drizzt stories and all, but something about his unwillingness to start fresh elsewhere strikes me as cowardly, and his ongoing contribution to the evil ways of that city seems somewhat evil. He enabled and empowered the matron mothers by killing for them, no matter how much he rationalized that killing and found personal joy in it. He's a tragic character like that. (Scribe "Lady Fellshot" compared him to the TV serial killer "Dexter", in that way.)
I think it would be even more fittingly tragic if he had not made it into a nice abode after death. It's great that he avoided Lolth's domain, because of his beliefs about her. But it still seems that there should've been some sort of divine punishment for his choice to remain a pawn of the vile matriarchy.
Maybe there was, but it was only a temporary punishment, like Catholic Purgatory or something?
I always assumed Zak is waiting for Drizzt with everyone else D cared about in Iruladoon or whatever that pocket dimension thingy they all get hi-jacked into when they die. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 04:28:41
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Originally posted by Gavinho
Yes Beast, good point, when Drizzt is in the Spirit Soaring Cadderly communicates with Zak.I would love to read novels from others Salvatore´s characters, like Deudermont´s first years at the Sea Sprite.
I'd like to read more about Robillard......or the Harpells, didn't D visit their home? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 04:28:48
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| I don't think he deserves an eternal punishment, because while he made mistakes and was a coward, he wasn't evil, and I think his actions may have been away of protecting Drizzt. He wanted his son to do what he could not. He was tormented enough in life, he did not need it in death, IMO. And he IS drow after all, lol. Even Drizzt and the Eilistraeens like a good battle. So if there was divine punishment, it was indeed temporary, since he is now at peace. With the way the Drizzt books are going these days, I hope Drizzt remembers that moment with his father's ghost. Then again, I completely forgot about it lol. Hopefully Bob hasn't. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 04:36:13
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I always assumed Zak is waiting for Drizzt with everyone else D cared about in Iruladoon or whatever that pocket dimension thingy they all get hi-jacked into when they die.
Oh, that's interesting, I hadn't considered that. That'd be nice, but Salvatore has not mentioned him being there, only Companions of the Hall. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 17:35:55
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| Well, if Mielikki has taken in an orphan dwarf, halfling, and a couple of humans, I don't see why she wouldn't take in a drow's poppa, as well. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 19:05:09
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I loved Zak, but reading a backstory on him would make me sad, because I know he dies, and because he's likely in Lolth's realm, suffering who knows what kind of torment *sniffles* I'd rather not read something about him unless I know his soul had a better fate :(
But Jarlaxle...now that would be awesome!
That's why I'd like it most, it's a tragidy. Plus I'd really like to know how he wound up married to that woman. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 19:51:26
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Originally posted by BEAST
Well, if Mielikki has taken in an orphan dwarf, halfling, and a couple of humans, I don't see why she wouldn't take in a drow's poppa, as well.
I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just saying Salvatore hasn't mentioned him being there. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 20:17:17
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Originally posted by BEAST
Well, if Mielikki has taken in an orphan dwarf, halfling, and a couple of humans, I don't see why she wouldn't take in a drow's poppa, as well.
Couple of humans? Besides Wulfgar, did Delly Curtie end up there too? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 21:57:50
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"Those with talent become wizards, Those without talent spend their lives praying for it"
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 03:41:14
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by BEAST
Well, if Mielikki has taken in an orphan dwarf, halfling, and a couple of humans, I don't see why she wouldn't take in a drow's poppa, as well.
Couple of humans? Besides Wulfgar, did Delly Curtie end up there too?
I don't know, all I remember is Catti, Regis, Wulfgar, and Bruenor did, because Bruenor went three in Gauntlgrym, and the other three greeted him. There was no ref to Zak or Dellie. I would love to see Zak again though, and not in the past, but present day :) even as a spirit, and even if it is just a brief scene, like another interaction between him and his son. But I'm a sap so |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 05:36:59
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Yeah, I was talking about Catti-brie.
I don't recall any discussion of Delly's religious beliefs.
I can't find it right now, but I think that Drizzt has described Zaknafein as following the ways of Mielikki, too. Maybe that tells us something about Iruladoon, too? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 05:42:03
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| Has he? I don't remember that, since he first learned about Mielikki from that human guy (his name escapes me), but it would be cool if, even if he wasn't a follower, Mielikki sort of took him under her wing so to speak, because it seems like all the people Drizzt loved are in that dimension--and none of them were followers of Mielikki, so maybe his dad is there too :) |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 07:16:24
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Originally posted by Gavinho
Yes Beast, good point, when Drizzt is in the Spirit Soaring Cadderly communicates with Zak.I would love to read novels from others Salvatore´s characters, like Deudermont´s first years at the Sea Sprite.
I'd like to read more about Robillard......or the Harpells, didn't D visit their home?
I couldn't care less about the harpells, but I kinda did like Robillard. I vaguely remember in one of the books I didn't care much for (transition era, I suppose?) going back to see the Harpells and there was some less-than-goodly-moral stuff going on there he didn't like but found a way to justify why they were doing what they were doing. I was never really a fan of their comic relief. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 15:14:06
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| Yes, either about Robillard past, or about where he goes after the Pirate King. I could see him staying an active player in Sword Cost politics, whether he wanted to, or not, in some way or another. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 18:07:56
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| I wouldn't mind knwoing what Maimun is up to. In the Stone of Tymora trilogy for young readers, Maimun was with the girl Joen, but there was no mention of her in PK. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 18:27:16
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Originally posted by BEAST
Yeah, I was talking about Catti-brie.
I don't recall any discussion of Delly's religious beliefs.
I can't find it right now, but I think that Drizzt has described Zaknafein as following the ways of Mielikki, too. Maybe that tells us something about Iruladoon, too?
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:38:37
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie.
Wulf got pulled in there because he was such a close friend, more like a little brother, to Drizzt in life. It's a gift to Drizzt to have his most-loved ones kept together in the afterlife.
Delly was nothing special to Drizzt. He barely met her in Sea of Swords, and then in "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy" he was too busy whacking orcs to bother with her before she went off and got herself killed. I don't see her being whisked away to his fairy land happy happy place.
It would be a gift to Wulfgar, rather than to Drizzt. But everything so far indicates that this particular corner of Iruladoon is all about Drizzt, rather than anyone else.
I liked the portrayal of the afterlife in the TV show Lost, in which the entirety of the main cast spent time in a type of Limbo realm (the Flash-Sideways universe) after each one died, until the last one bit it, and then they all went off to the next phase of the afterlife together, as a united group: spouses, significant others, BFFs, etc., two-by-two, just like the animals in Noah's Ark! That was beautiful.
But this version of the afterlife seems to be all about preserving Drizzt's closest friends, rather than preserving their entire extended family. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:50:14
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| This fact could show that Mielikki really cares abotu Drizzt, and she wants him to be reunited with his friends when it is his time. Still, I want him to see Zak again, and it would be nice if he could be in Iruladoon as well. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 23:54:01
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Well Wulfgar wasn't a follower of Mielikki....so I thought maybe since he got pulled there, she would at least grab Delly as well so he didn't have to spend eternity watching D and Cattie.
Wulf got pulled in there because he was such a close friend, more like a little brother, to Drizzt in life. It's a gift to Drizzt to have his most-loved ones kept together in the afterlife.
Delly was nothing special to Drizzt. He barely met her in Sea of Swords, and then in "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy" he was too busy whacking orcs to bother with her before she went off and got herself killed. I don't see her being whisked away to his fairy land happy happy place.
It would be a gift to Wulfgar, rather than to Drizzt. But everything so far indicates that this particular corner of Iruladoon is all about Drizzt, rather than anyone else.
I liked the portrayal of the afterlife in the TV show Lost, in which the entirety of the main cast spent time in a type of Limbo realm (the Flash-Sideways universe) after each one died, until the last one bit it, and then they all went off to the next phase of the afterlife together, as a united group: spouses, significant others, BFFs, etc., two-by-two, just like the animals in Noah's Ark! That was beautiful.
But this version of the afterlife seems to be all about preserving Drizzt's closest friends, rather than preserving their entire extended family.
Thats my problem in a nutshell....it's ALL about Drizzt....Wulfgar belonged to Tempus....and he spent his last years as far from Drizzt and Cattie as possible....so D mans perfect afterlife(which WotC may never let him reach) is an eternal punishment or Wulfgar.
I know Wulfgar was supposed to be the main focus of that crew and D took over by popular demand...I'm cool with that....but Wulgar went from hero to zero...way under utilized and over abused IMHO....that's why him going to Drizzt's perfect afterlife really irks me.
And looks like I'm waaaaayyyyy off topic...
I'd like to see a short story or two about Zak and Jarlaxle .....but not a novel or series. A couple capers from their past could go along way to revealing what happened. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Zaknafein + Jarlaxle: Backstory please!!
