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| William of Waterdeep |
Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 09:05:09
Okay,just got first book and was asking if anyone had or was reading and what they thought of it.
Thank you Arivia for your thoughts and sorry about that in wrong room, all my fault  . |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 15:58:46
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Originally posted by Lina
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Originally posted by Malaug
Just being bitten by a vampire doesn't mean that you become a vampire, being bitten by a were-creature on the other hand does (or at least has a 99.98% chance).
To become a free-will vampire, the vampire must bite you, and then you must drink some of the vampire's blood. Basically every text that refers to vampirism happens when they partake of each other's blood. If you are drained dry by a vampire, you become a vampire under that vampire's control, with no free-will.
Look at characters like Jander Sunstar. He had to kill his master to get free will.
At least this is what I believe. Therefore seeing that Danicia wasn't "sucked dry" or partook of Rufo's blood, she did not become a vampire. Just had a couple of holes in the neck.
By the way, good series but I thought book 2 to an extent and book 3 laboured a bit. The rest were smooth sailing and quite enjoyable. An unfortunate stereotypical use of dwarves as comedy relief.
I'd have to disagree on your view of why Danica isn't a vampire. If she was sucked dry then she would have become a zombie. I myself am puzzled why she didn't become a vampire when she was bitten and part of her blood drained.
Lina, no offense, but at least in D&D terms, Malaug is correct. In fact, most modern vampire lore says the same thing. Simply being bitten by a vampire won't do anything other than leave a person with a little less blood. A person has to be totally drained to later rise as a vampire.
In both D&D and some vampire novels, there are vampires who exist without killing their victims. They'll find a person in some dark alley, take a couple of swigs, and then move on. The person later wakes up weak, but they still wake up and remain among the living.
Back on topic... I, myself, rather enjoyed the Cleric Quintet. It's been a while since I read it, though. |
| Aeriden Raven |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 12:16:12
Yes, I particularly liked the scene in which Ghost comes to "life" again, that was just disgusting.
I was wondering where I can read about Danica giving birth to twins? In the Legacy perhaps? That's what I'll read next, so I keep my hopes up  |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 11:12:31
I quite enjoyed the series more than id expected to. Each novel took a different flavor which kept me reading. I particulary liked Night Masks...its a novel ill never forget as it gave me my all-time most hated villain  |
| Aeriden Raven |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 10:16:17
SPOILERS
Warning! Some spoilers ahead for those who have not yet read (all of) the Cleric Quintet
Ok, here goes 
I just finished the Quintet last night, but had unfortunately already been spoiled by this thread a couple of weeks ago about the whole Danica vampire thing. 
I really liked it a lot, although towards the end I got a little tired of all the fighting scenes. However, these books really turned me 180 degrees around when monks are concerned. I never liked them, too oriental, too "not fantasy" ,no cool weapons to fight with, just the lame shurigen every now and then. I had a very bad sterotyped view of the monk (I think this was partly due to a campaign in which someone played quite an annoying monk). But Danica changed all this.
I've always been a rogue person, and above all I prefer elven rogues. Their grace, elegance and innate affection for magic are for me a perfect combination. When Danica appeared in the books I was immediately won over, by her elegant fighting style, her nimbleness and her mind control. I'm actually thinking of playing a monk now, something I thought would never occur to me. She is definitely one of my favorite FR characters so far. I never realised this was what a monk could look like!
What I also liked about the books was the character development. Maybe because these were five books there was more time to develop them properly. Alignment isn't such a rigid thing, Rufo going evil and Dorigen coming to the right path, it al made perfect human sense.
I did find the whole Darth Vader thing a bit annoying though, but apart from that the books had a really original story line.
Well, there's more where that came from, but I can't think of anything more to wite at the moment, maybe later. |
| Darth KTrava |
Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 00:44:41
Perhaps it's just sheer "monkish willpower" that keeps her from becoming one.
And I find it funny that Ivan and Pikel can "sneak up" on something while having one of their drawn-out brawls.....
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| Lina |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 03:32:11
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Originally posted by Malaug
Just being bitten by a vampire doesn't mean that you become a vampire, being bitten by a were-creature on the other hand does (or at least has a 99.98% chance).
To become a free-will vampire, the vampire must bite you, and then you must drink some of the vampire's blood. Basically every text that refers to vampirism happens when they partake of each other's blood. If you are drained dry by a vampire, you become a vampire under that vampire's control, with no free-will.
Look at characters like Jander Sunstar. He had to kill his master to get free will.
At least this is what I believe. Therefore seeing that Danicia wasn't "sucked dry" or partook of Rufo's blood, she did not become a vampire. Just had a couple of holes in the neck.
By the way, good series but I thought book 2 to an extent and book 3 laboured a bit. The rest were smooth sailing and quite enjoyable. An unfortunate stereotypical use of dwarves as comedy relief.
I'd have to disagree on your view of why Danica isn't a vampire. If she was sucked dry then she would have become a zombie. I myself am puzzled why she didn't become a vampire when she was bitten and part of her blood drained. |
| Malaug |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 17:20:10
Just being bitten by a vampire doesn't mean that you become a vampire, being bitten by a were-creature on the other hand does (or at least has a 99.98% chance).
To become a free-will vampire, the vampire must bite you, and then you must drink some of the vampire's blood. Basically every text that refers to vampirism happens when they partake of each other's blood. If you are drained dry by a vampire, you become a vampire under that vampire's control, with no free-will.
Look at characters like Jander Sunstar. He had to kill his master to get free will.
At least this is what I believe. Therefore seeing that Danicia wasn't "sucked dry" or partook of Rufo's blood, she did not become a vampire. Just had a couple of holes in the neck.
By the way, good series but I thought book 2 to an extent and book 3 laboured a bit. The rest were smooth sailing and quite enjoyable. An unfortunate stereotypical use of dwarves as comedy relief. |
| Darth KTrava |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 05:51:16
I read all of them, one per week, while having to "babysit" my elderly grandfather while his older daughter ran errands. I thoroughly enjoyed each and every one of them! :D The fact that the "innocent" Cadderly grew up (in a sense) from the first novel through to the last and having to face the last person he wanted to meet.......... (hint: think Star Wars original trilogy) 
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| Valdar Oakensong |
Posted - 24 Jan 2004 : 22:56:41
Stop what you are doing and read them all now!!!!
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Originally posted by William of Waterdeep
Okay,just got first book and was asking if anyone had or was reading and what they thought of it.
Thank you Arivia for your thoughts and sorry about that in wrong room, all my fault.
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| Naroon Shimmerflow |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 06:08:24
Origianl posted by Arion Elenim
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Secondly, the characters are deep and introspective. Salvatore wastes not one page in his descriptions - making it impossible not to feel as if you are there with the characters, as if you can smell the sewers as Entreri battles his nemesis or feel the wind on Bruenor's Climb.
I agree with you Arion, it`s something about the way he describes things. When i frist started read the Clerical Quintet i was reading one book every day. i could not get enough of the characters and the story.
Ivan and Pikle is just so funny and they made me laugh out aloud all the time . |
| Belfar |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 05:18:06
Also don't monks become immune to supernatural diseases at some point. Not so experienced with the monk class since I dislike it somewhat. Too Asian-oriented for a more Western-medieval-oriented setting. |
| RogueAssassin |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 03:01:52
Im not quite sure on this but heres my theory on the dianica being bittin thing...im pretty sure this is why she didnt become a vamp:
Polymorphic hemophilia(vampirism) is a disease that is transmitted in the bloodstream. if dianica has control over her body to such a degree that she can push poisons out of her system(such as when druzuil stung her with his tail)...then why couldnt she push out or at least stem the blood flow to that certain area of her body to remove or stunt the movement of the disease? that is my only explination.
-Rogue |
| Dantrag |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 02:07:19
Im on the fourth book ,and like Bob Salvatore says on the back, it is better than the Drizzt series( i mean speaking about Drizzt and Catti-bree) .Just watch out for that ghost it may getcha... |
| RogueAssassin |
Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 19:59:57
The cleric quintet is a great set of books, especially after pikel becomes a doodad. i read all of them and all of the drizzt books all of salvatores works are great. |
| Lina |
Posted - 07 Dec 2003 : 08:23:54
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Originally posted by Alaundo
 Lina!! remember to put a SPOILER warning atop such scrolls when revealing the events of the tome so as not to catch readers unaware.
Thank ye
Thanks Alaundo, I'll try and remember next time. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 27 Nov 2003 : 23:57:03
Seems more like fool's gold.
::hears the creaking of a wheelbarrow outside the door::
Er -- a hard-working fool! |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 22:51:00
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Lina, their time might not be so short as it may seem . . . .
Hmmmf, the cheek of some scribes, they get five gold stars and think they can be smart!  |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 22:08:17
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Lina, their time might not be so short as it may seem . . . . |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 17:15:33
Lina!! remember to put a SPOILER warning atop such scrolls when revealing the events of the tome so as not to catch readers unaware.
Thank ye |
| Lina |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 10:57:28
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I have just finished reading the series. It's a little sad at the end how everyone dies, well almost everyone and that Danica and Cadderly's time together is shortened.
There's one thing that gets me a bit confused is that Danica doesn't turn into a vampire after she has been bitten. Sure that Danica can control her heart and be in suspended animation but her art doesn't protect her from being a vampire. I don't really know the theory behind the workings of vampirism but I do know that once a vampire takes a bit of blood from a person they inturn become a vampire (unless all the blood is drained in which they become zombies). So this is my theory and jump in if I'm wrong... if the vampire takes a bit but not all of the blood from you then the vampire transmits through the bite, enzymes or virus that turns you into one. Danica being already bitten would have the virus/enymes circulating in her system and she would eventually become a vampire. Eventhough her heart was stopped it does not protect her from becoming undead as there is nothing to stop the virus/enzymes from spreading in her body. So as in the novel, how does she not become a vampire? |
| Lina |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 06:15:51
I haven't quite finished reading the series but I like it so far. The storyline is original, none of that recycled and spat out stuff you get when reading different novels with similar themes and plots. And the characters too are very unique which brings life to the story. (I love the bit where the bouldershoulder brothers are trying to make a trap by putting a boulder on an overhanging tree limb.) I like the humourous relief that Salvatore brings into the story through the dwarves and Druzil, otherwise it gets a bit too drab and serious for my likings. |
| spikeyhairedone |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 22:34:43
the Cleric quintet kicks ass, it is in my top 3 series of FR novels ever. But saying that I only own about 60 of the novels. Enjoy |
| William of Waterdeep |
Posted - 09 Oct 2003 : 02:11:50
See what I mean fanatic and he's modest too.I wasn't trying to flatter
you my Bard friend, only relaying honest observations.
I am sure most will agree with me after reading your post.
Thank you.
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| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 08 Oct 2003 : 15:55:18
Sorry folks, I would have replied sooner, but (thanks to William of Waterdeep) my hugely swollen ego wouldn't fit through the door...
I think that the magic of Salvatore is originality. He has given us something that we have never seen before in the ranks of fantasy. Drizzt was born in the 80's - a time when He-Man/Conan/barbarian-esqe characters were (excuse the pun) all the rage. Drizzt fit a different model, one that has been often imitated since then, but never duplicated. Salvatore's drow are not really drow (Drizzt)...his dwarves are not really dwarves (Fredegar Rockcrusher/Quilldipper) - every character is an enigma unto their particular race - which makes Faerun a more realistic, richer world.
Secondly, the characters are deep and introspective. Salvatore wastes not one page in his descriptions - making it impossible not to feel as if you are there with the characters, as if you can smell the sewers as Entreri battles his nemesis or feel the wind on Bruenor's Climb.
I don't know - I think that it was the Cheers producer (a show of some note by a rove of traveling brigands in some OTHER realm ) that said: "The secret to success is to wake up very early, work very hard and strike oil." I think that Salvatore must simply have a knack with a pickaxe as well as with the pen. |
| William of Waterdeep |
Posted - 07 Oct 2003 : 00:25:05
Hmmmm,Can't answer for everyone but as for myself He captures the scene as well as any movie camera ever could;The world of Toril or at least some part of it is brought to life for me.
I guess the best person to answer this question is our own Bard and
good friend ArionElenim.He knows Salvatores works as well or better
than any and could probably explain on a much deeper level than I. |
| fanatic |
Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 12:03:16
so what is the great magic of writers such as salvatore, who write on best-seller after another???
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| William of Waterdeep |
Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 04:56:05
That is true that you can't like everybody as well as you can't please everybody. |
| fanatic |
Posted - 05 Oct 2003 : 18:06:24
you can say that the bouldershoulder brothers are the most uncommon dwarfs around the realms.
especially pikel, with his druidic ambitions, and the somewhat unnormal mind.
well, you canīt like everybody.
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| William of Waterdeep |
Posted - 04 Oct 2003 : 19:18:43
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Originally posted by fanatic
you donīt have to take them too serious, just imagine them quarreling in the eye of danger...
thats what makes them interresting.
they donīt take things too serious, but they solve their poroblems in their own way.
i like them quite much, easies up the whole story.
They remind me more of Halflings sometimes than Dwarves, especially
Pikel.But maybe I will change my opinion as the story unfolds.
I do like the overall story so far. |
| fanatic |
Posted - 04 Oct 2003 : 12:42:32
you donīt have to take them too serious, just imagine them quarreling in the eye of danger...
thats what makes them interresting.
they donīt take things too serious, but they solve their poroblems in their own way.
i like them quite much, easies up the whole story. |
