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| Mythander |
Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 19:42:01
OK, we have tomes with main characters such as:
Humans
Elves
Half Elves
Sea Elves
Dwarves
Halflings
Drow
A Half Fiend
Firebolgs
Giants
also a few short stories with:
Wemics
Merfolk
These are good, but they are just a small percentage of the Races of the Realms. With books like Races of Faerun and Savage Species, I hope to see more. With that said: What races would you like to see more of and enter the spotlight? |
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| Nocturno |
Posted - 31 Jul 2003 : 00:08:16
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Originally posted by Mythander
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
While I was reading through Monsters of Faerun this morning, I came to read over two curious sub-types of the Dwarves that I think would make a particularly interesting story for monstrous characters. That of the Innugaakalikurit, or Artic Dwarves, and the Wild Dwarves of Chult. Considering the differences of the 'Wild' natures between elves and dwarves, I think they would indeed provide an interesting perspective on the Dwarven race as a whole.
ý think the most intrestþng moster will be a pc created monster maybe some onw can merge an elemental and a cat
That is a very interesting though. I always have the picture in my mind of Dwarves as the gruff, but caring underneath figure. I think that the wild (untrusting) nature might change that a bit.
ý think the most entertaining picture of momsters will be a goblin kind. if an individual who is among goblin kind and have some intelligence and wisdom unlike his or her genetics that one can help or create ptroblems for npcws.Though it is always an human for first name the second can be a goblin and this can be entertaining |
| Mythander |
Posted - 30 Jul 2003 : 15:50:47
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
While I was reading through Monsters of Faerun this morning, I came to read over two curious sub-types of the Dwarves that I think would make a particularly interesting story for monstrous characters. That of the Innugaakalikurit, or Artic Dwarves, and the Wild Dwarves of Chult. Considering the differences of the 'Wild' natures between elves and dwarves, I think they would indeed provide an interesting perspective on the Dwarven race as a whole.
That is a very interesting though. I always have the picture in my mind of Dwarves as the gruff, but caring underneath figure. I think that the wild (untrusting) nature might change that a bit.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 30 Jul 2003 : 06:48:53
While I was reading through Monsters of Faerun this morning, I came to read over two curious sub-types of the Dwarves that I think would make a particularly interesting story for monstrous characters. That of the Innugaakalikurit, or Artic Dwarves, and the Wild Dwarves of Chult. Considering the differences of the 'Wild' natures between elves and dwarves, I think they would indeed provide an interesting perspective on the Dwarven race as a whole.
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| Mythander |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 15:28:52
I for one would like to see more written about the Avarial. They finally put some info about them in Races of Faerun, but all we had in 2ned was one lonely page at the very back of the Complete Book of Elves. I think an avian character could open up some interesting plot lines. |
| DrizzitFan |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:59:04
Thanks Sage n MBlade.
Esp for the clarification of the Demons and Devils in their respective realms. That was good info. I still think a one-shot on Errtu might be a good read though.
Actually a series of Zhentarim/Zhentish figures and their rise to power may be of interest, your thoughts? Even the Cult of Dragons/Dracoliches has potential for development. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:31:33
No need to be sorry Mournblade, I happen to agree with you  . In fact that is another reason why I have science- and anthropological issues with some major sci-fi stories (especially Star Trek). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:19:54
I feel I should clarify this a little.
Demons (Balors) inhabit the Abyss, and Devils (Pit Fiends) inhabit the Nine Hells of Baator. For nearly the entire history of the multiverse since the time of the Reckoning, both of these fiendish races have been involved in a brutal, chaotic and eternal Blood War. There is very little time for anything else in their lives. In fact everything these races do, is normally tied directly to influencing some aspect of this war. The only real reason for the slugfest you suggest would be the result of seeing the Crystal Shard as a means to finally defeating the other side.
As for the establishment of major Demons, there are already a variety of Abyssal Lords - Graz'zt and Juiblex being major examples of that type.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:08:00
Sometimes monster societies are just meant NOT to be developed. Far to alien. They get Star Trekkish (sorry sage) if you start developing them in human terms.
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| DrizzitFan |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 04:36:47
It might be interesting to feature a series on the Pit Fiends and demons etc, e.g. Errtu - again from his perspective of vying for the Crystal Shard and that darn drow thwarting him from world domination.
Think demon society as yet not as developed (I may be wrong, don't own source books  ) n might be scope for an demon slugfest in Hell leading to the establishment of the major demons.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 10:38:32
Considering the long and tumultuous history both the Illithids and Githyanki have had together, a crime duo would indeed seem like a very unlikely (if ever) match.
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| MuadDib |
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 10:15:42
Or perhaps an Illithid, Githyanki crime duo....
Who knows. But I would certainly read a story about a mind flayer....so mysterious...like what are their motives, do they worship a God, who is their ultimate member, societal structure etc.. |
| zemd |
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 09:06:31
It could be a good idea for a short story but i doubt of it for a novel the Mind Flayers and the Beholders social possibilities are a litlle bit weak. Furthermore they are too far from our way of thinking and acting.
But maybe a very talented writer could make me lie... |
| DrizzitFan |
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 08:08:19
Actually it might be interesting for the writers to come from the perspective of the monster. Like one of the beholders in the RotAW trilogy, being controlled and doing unspeakable (for a beholder) things to other nasty good beings.
Or as an Illithid (mindflayer) in the cavern where Drizzit n Zak create chaos in DE trilogy.
Or even to have an arc based on a beholder kinda like how Xantam came to power in the BG:DA game. What do ya think? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 12:54:47
Perhaps, you should look into finding a copy of the 2e accessory Complete Book of Gnomes and Halflings, it really helps to define these races.
I am sending you a special link that details quite a bit of information about these races.
Enjoy .
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| MuadDib |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 10:36:09
I think Gnome main character could be good, but then i think about Regis as the lead in a stoy and i cringe.
I dont like midgets j/k
I guess i just dont know enough about them |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 08:35:10
...and the Forgotten Realms lunchbox .
The Sage walks off muttering something about "Merchandising!, merchandising!...".
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 08:01:58
Don't forget the sheet, the breakfast cereal, the flamethrower . . . . |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 07:31:47
I won't agree or disagree with your point Mournblade because as you said, you have not read any of the new DL material. However I find most of the recent DL material to have been of a lot better standard than some of the FR material that has been published at roughly the same time, with the exceptions of both the WotSQ series and the 'Sembia' series.
In fact, the War of Souls trilogy was particularly well done, and even if you don't read anything else about DL ever, I suggest you make the effort to read this trilogy, it is well worth it. If WotC ever wanted to end the saga on a high note, this trilogy would be it.
As for the FR toilet paper, maybe something like Villain of the Day toilet paper would be interesting, eh? .
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 05:56:40
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
That's an interesting perspective Mournblade, and a perspective I can agree with to an extent. I really felt that Realms of Valor, Realms of Infamy, and Realms of Mystery were all particularly weak, at least in respect to character development and imagery. You are right also, in that these anthologies could bnever stand-alone. That is way I prefer the Dragonlance anthologies, they are much more real and intune with the actual world of Krynn.
I think the only two I really enjoyed were Realms of the Underdark, and the recent Realms of Shadow, but that last one was only because it fitted in so well with the RotAW trilogy.
The dragonlance stuff has as much of a following outside of the D&D cirlce as it has inside of it. TSR did a good job at marketing that to FANTASY fans more so than D&D gamers. I think however, that the same applies to the NEW dragonlance books. I have not read them, so I cannot offer an opinion, but it seems that some of the novels sound like they are succumbing to the "fanatics of dragonlance will read ANYTHING" syndrome, much like the forgotten realms. Sometimes people will buy anything for the name it has. I used to not think that I would, until I realized, if they made a STAR WARS or Forgotten Realms TOILET PAPER I would propably buy it. Sad I know. But still. Forgotten Realm Toilet paper. hmmmmmmm....
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| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 03:24:46
That's an interesting perspective Mournblade, and a perspective I can agree with to an extent. I really felt that Realms of Valor, Realms of Infamy, and Realms of Mystery were all particularly weak, at least in respect to character development and imagery. You are right also, in that these anthologies could bnever stand-alone. That is way I prefer the Dragonlance anthologies, they are much more real and intune with the actual world of Krynn.
I think the only two I really enjoyed were Realms of the Underdark, and the recent Realms of Shadow, but that last one was only because it fitted in so well with the RotAW trilogy.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 22:17:37
I read the story about the goblin with Drizzt. That story made me pretty certaiin I did not want to read any Forgotten Realms anthologies. I only read realms of valour. I found the other anthologies VERY difficult to get hooked with. THe stories all seemed so... weak. The problem with writing heartfelt stories about greenskins is that it starts to sound too politically correct. I like to keep my fantasy world far from the problems of this world, so for me Orcs work as a good evil to fight against. I found the drizzt/goblin story annoying and politically correct. About the only sci fi thing I thought was worse than some of these anthologies was TALES of the BOUNTY HUNTER.
The short stories of the forgotten Realms do not seem like they could stand well on their own. A good piece of writing should be able to stand alone. The FR short stories could not. I think a non-realms reader would get bored quickly. Quite like the city of shade trilogy. That did not seem like it could capture the attention of non realms readers.
Pretty much it seems Elaine Cunningham, The early salvatore stuff, and some of the earlier forgotten realms novels are the only ones that can really stand alone. |
| Sadonayerah Odrydin |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 19:23:26
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Originally posted by Mythander
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There was a story, but I cannot remember what book it was in. It was about Drizzt and a goblin. It was very interesting since it showcased a non-evil goblin and we got to see the persecution of the race. I really enjoy the stories that move out of the black and white these creatures are evil and these creatures are good mentality.
I remember that one. It was in Realms of Valor I think.
MuadDib: I didn't know Realms of Infamy had a goblin story in it. I'll have to check that out. *nods* |
| Mythander |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 16:51:25
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Originally posted by Sadonayerah Odrydin
Or goblins. Maybe I'm shooting in the dark here but I haven't read many FR books. How about a gnome main character? That would be kind of cool.
There was a story, but I cannot remember what book it was in. It was about Drizzt and a goblin. It was very interesting since it showcased a non-evil goblin and we got to see the persecution of the race. I really enjoy the stories that move out of the black and white these creatures are evil and these creatures are good mentality. |
| MuadDib |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 13:56:01
yeah, well details....but you see what i mean
Read the story and tell me what you think... |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:57:30
That's okay. Reading it was the same way. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:54:31
I found the story, it is called 'Vision' by Roger E. Moore. I don't seem to remember it to well so I might set to reading it tonight before I go to sleep.
On the 'Contributor's Notes' page he described writing the story 'Vision', as "not fun".
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:07:47
Yes, I remember that story now. It was very odd. I basically just skimmed it, and then put it out of my mind. I'm used to anthologies having some bad eggs in them. |
| MuadDib |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 11:29:02
In realms of infamy, there is a story, i cant for the life of me remember what its name was, and the story was about a group of Goblins and one half-human-half-goblin, who was blind and whose mother raised it to be some sort of leader.
Problem is, the story basically reads as if the half-goblin was a messiah of some sorts, come to deliver the goblins from servitude or some such. Then the story goes on about this half-breed preaching to the Goblins saying humans think they are the greatest evil as was shown by the half-breed's mother being raped by a human and that it was time for the Goblins to show humans they were more evil. Subsequently, they go out and ravage the neighbouring lands. All through the story though, this one liutenant Goblin never understand why everyone is totally believing in this messiah and can not understand why he should listen to the preacher, he only does because of his loyalty to the Goblins.
Then, the most disturbing part, which im sure will remain with me forever, is at the end, they are slaughtering woman and children, the usual, quite casually, and as some human riders are bearing down on them about to kill them all. The goblin liutenant finally understands the messiah's purpose (ie to show humans who is the most evil) and as he charges the knights he said he finally understood what his purpose was and the only way he could describe this feeling was to say, "It felt just like love".
So as i said, quite disturbing, even for a short story. Thankfully though, the author, at the comments pages at the back, said the story was incredibly hard to write.
Thats about all i can remember of the story, its in the somewhere, just take a look. I seem to recall the author had a Kevin in his name, although i could very well be wrong... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 11:13:13
Which story was that MuadDib?.
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| MuadDib |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 09:54:33
In the novel Realms of Infamy, there is a story with Goblin protagonists, in fact, its entirely about goblins. Anyone who has read it will know what i mean when i say i found it incredibly difficult to read, and was really uncomfortable the whole way through.
The half-Goblin Jesus figure did NOT work for me at all  |
