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| Ethriel |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 02:13:52
I thnink a pretty decent novel/trilogy would be the fall of the Drow of the surface; starting with Araushnee's fall from Arvandor with Vhaeraun, Kiransalee, Selvetarm and so forth, detailing the massive war (Possible prologue Corellon's duel with Gruumsh), whereas the next books deal with Drow establishing their cities (I'd like to see more on Menzoberra the Kinless and her death). I dunno, this just struck me as an interesting idea.
And I hope Elaine writes some more Liriel novels so we can get some closure on our little drow wizard as well as her nemesis Shakti and I really hope we get some closure on Kymil Nimesin... (any word if he's to appear in ANY coming books? I just don't feel...right when such a vile guy escapes justice) |
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 22:50:57
First off, I love the fact that Elaine and Steven pop up here. It just makes me all warm and fuzzy.
I would love to see Red Wizards handled well, perhaps a novel from the perspective of a Thayan knight. |
| Ethriel |
Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 21:22:08
Thankfully, Entreri has some reasons...his way of life shattered by two consecutive defeats, and without a doubt hanging out in Menzoberranzan changed him...
And c'mon, it's Jarlaxle...he'll probably have an illusion up most of the time if things get too dicey |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 22:33:04
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
With all due respect to RA Salvatore, I'm over drow in the Realms and Jarlaxle is an anti-Drizzt with a sense of humor, IMHO. As for Entreri, he's become a closet good guy who does something 'nasty' every once in a while to remind us that he's really a bad and scary guy. Supposedly. Neither are "gritty", as the whole Drizzt experience has made drow in the Realms a commonplace phenomenon which provoke a few grumbles at best when one waltzes into a tavern. If RA wanted to impress me with his new novel on Jarlaxle and Entreri, he'd have Jarlaxle trying to be as low key as possible and risking a lynch mob everytime he travelled to a human village - especially in Vaasa, Lawless doesn't mean that they would put up with drow in their midst. But what we'll likely get is a bar fight, lots of dead humans and a bit of witty repartee as the two travel the length and breadth of Vaasa doing what they will. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong.
*laughs* You make a lot of good points--especially about drow having become very common place in the Realms. I recently read the Realms of the Dragons A&J story, and I don't recall Jarlaxle ever bothering to hide his drow heritage...does he just tell people he's Drizzt? That falsity wouldn't work forever, I imagine (and not everyone knows or cares who Drizzt is, either, much less trust him only on word of mouth).
However, I'm still not sure if Artemis is really a "closet good guy", though he *does* seem to have softened up, and has definately gone from villain to anti-hero. I also can see what you mean, George, when you say that A&J aren't really "edgy" or "gritty", but as far as anti-hero stars of novels, they are the most prominent examples. |
| Ethriel |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 20:20:10
Besides saving Danica and sparing a family and kid, I can't recall Entreri being a saint or 'closet good guy' whatsoever. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 07:14:33
With all due respect to RA Salvatore, I'm over drow in the Realms and Jarlaxle is an anti-Drizzt with a sense of humor, IMHO. As for Entreri, he's become a closet good guy who does something 'nasty' every once in a while to remind us that he's really a bad and scary guy. Supposedly. Neither are "gritty", as the whole Drizzt experience has made drow in the Realms a commonplace phenomenon which provoke a few grumbles at best when one waltzes into a tavern. If RA wanted to impress me with his new novel on Jarlaxle and Entreri, he'd have Jarlaxle trying to be as low key as possible and risking a lynch mob everytime he travelled to a human village - especially in Vaasa, Lawless doesn't mean that they would put up with drow in their midst. But what we'll likely get is a bar fight, lots of dead humans and a bit of witty repartee as the two travel the length and breadth of Vaasa doing what they will. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong.
-- George Krashos
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 04:35:04
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
I'd like to see a novel trilogy from the point of view of the bad guy - an anti-hero situation. I know that Steven Schend has long envisioned Semmemon in such a role and I could think of a few other candidates, such as Elaith, Maalthir of Hillsfar, the dwarves of Ironmaster, and Sammareza Sulphontis of Waterdeep. A grittier-edged Realms would be refreshing ans something different.
-- George Krashos
*ahem* What about a certain Mr. Jarlaxle and a certain Mr. Artemis Entreri? Just saying, there is Servant of the Shard, and apparently RAS will be writing some new books about them.
Sir Urza: I agree with you that it would be great if WotC paid attention to us "petitioners", but like Wooly said, they don't. :/ |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 04:06:59
I'd like to see a novel trilogy from the point of view of the bad guy - an anti-hero situation. I know that Steven Schend has long envisioned Semmemon in such a role and I could think of a few other candidates, such as Elaith, Maalthir of Hillsfar, the dwarves of Ironmaster, and Sammareza Sulphontis of Waterdeep. A grittier-edged Realms would be refreshing ans something different.
-- George Krashos
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 03:19:19
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Originally posted by SirUrza
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm sure you have. And trust me, I'd love to see more books about Arilyn and Danilo
If only! Of all the forces of evil I've combat in righteous internet causes and won (believe me there have been a few), Wizards of the Coast is the only unmovable giant. I really starting to think it's because no one with decision making power checks or takes the internet fans seriously.
Well, they did one time say they weren't interested in taking the time to ask what internet fans wanted... |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 02:58:31
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm sure you have. And trust me, I'd love to see more books about Arilyn and Danilo
If only! Of all the forces of evil I've combat in righteous internet causes and won (believe me there have been a few), Wizards of the Coast is the only unmovable giant. I really starting to think it's because no one with decision making power checks or takes the internet fans seriously.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 01:42:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
*smiles* I do like a lot of the newer characters, and it helps to remember that the old characters were once new characters.
I've pointed out more than once that all characters in the Realms were once new characters... But still, I don't see anything wrong with revisiting old ones, so long as it doesn't continue ad nauseum...
I'm sure you have. And trust me, I'd love to see more books about Arilyn and Danilo and Liriel and other favorite old characters, myself. 
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Mar 2005 : 00:21:04
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
You guys are silly
Thank you. We aim to please.  |
| Melfius |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 21:51:26
I want to renew my desire to see a series done on the Harpstar Wars. |
| VEDSICA |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 17:37:48
You guys are silly |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 11:27:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But still, I don't see anything wrong with revisiting old ones, so long as it doesn't continue ad nauseum...
Why WR, what characters from the Realms could possibly be going on in that fashion?
Well, there's that third guy from the left who seems to be in every single tavern scene...   |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 06:03:17
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But still, I don't see anything wrong with revisiting old ones, so long as it doesn't continue ad nauseum...
Why WR, what characters from the Realms could possibly be going on in that fashion? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 05:35:32
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
*smiles* I do like a lot of the newer characters, and it helps to remember that the old characters were once new characters.
I've pointed out more than once that all characters in the Realms were once new characters... But still, I don't see anything wrong with revisiting old ones, so long as it doesn't continue ad nauseum...
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 05:20:09
*smiles* I do like a lot of the newer characters, and it helps to remember that the old characters were once new characters. |
| VEDSICA |
Posted - 08 Mar 2005 : 03:59:04
That's a good idea Elaine to do.I think Elaith would do well.He's an extremly interesting character to me.To me he's the ultimate rouge.
SB I'm in agreement about the,"We're not into old characters" B.S.The old characters are what made FR.Not to say that the new ones that are coming out leave something to be desired.Quite the contrary.I'm particularly intrigued by Dorn and Kara,Aeravin,etc...But the old characters still do it for me.I want to see them.Though we are the minority here.Elaine stay on WoTC about Elaith please  |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 18:48:37
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Emails aren't a reliable indicator, either, but I think they come a little closer to a representative sample. After the Waterdeep novel and short story come out, I plan to keep a file of every Elaith-focused email I receive. Not that I expect WotC would find this data interesting--this is for my own benefit. Comparing frequency of reader requests for various characters is a good exercise, not only in determining whether or not to continue writing about a particular character, but when contemplating what sort of new characters to create.
Nice to hear that will be done. I imagine such a task also keeps fresh the statistic skills we picked up from mandatory courses. |
| ElaineCunningham |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 18:09:43
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
But, we are only a fraction of online novel readers which are a fraction themselves of overall readers. Perhaps Elaith's appearance in the upcoming Waterdeep novel and short story in Dragon will convince powers that be of his popularity.
That's very true. Message boards do not seem to be representative of the broad readership. Judging solely from the defunct WotC forums, someone new to fantasy might not pick up the fact that Bob Salvatore is one of the most popular fantasy writers alive.
Emails aren't a reliable indicator, either, but I think they come a little closer to a representative sample. After the Waterdeep novel and short story come out, I plan to keep a file of every Elaith-focused email I receive. Not that I expect WotC would find this data interesting--this is for my own benefit. Comparing frequency of reader requests for various characters is a good exercise, not only in determining whether or not to continue writing about a particular character, but when contemplating what sort of new characters to create. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 17:25:39
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
SB I do recall Elaine saying that somewhere on a thread,but I don't remember which one.
I believe the first time I read about it was on the forums that shall not be named. If I recall correctly, the proposal had Elaith traveling to Lamruil's new kingdom with a certain relative along with him.
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I do agree that WoTC are big into their cash cows,as Wooly appropriately states it.
A company that wants to make money. I can't fault them for such a goal. But, please spare me the "we're not interested in old characters" line. 
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I think it is safe to say that the majority of us here at candlekeep wouldn't mind seeing him in a novel, or trilogy,whatever you will.
But, we are only a fraction of online novel readers which are a fraction themselves of overall readers. Perhaps Elaith's appearance in the upcoming Waterdeep novel and short story in Dragon will convince powers that be of his popularity. |
| VEDSICA |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 16:02:17
SB I do recall Elaine saying that somewhere on a thread,but I don't remember which one.I do agree that WoTC are big into their cash cows,as Wooly appropriately states it.For WoTC to turn down Elaine's proposal for Elaith,it's strange to me.Elaith is a great character that I think would sell very well.I think it is safe to say that the majority of us here at candlekeep wouldn't mind seeing him in a novel, or trilogy,whatever you will. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 11:26:30
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by VEDSICA
I want to see Elaine do a novel,or trilogy, on Elaith Craulnober.Not necessarily his past.Well his past will always have to be mentioned,but....I want to see him in adventures in the present.
I recall her mentioning some time ago about a novel proposal featuring Elaith that she submitted. The idea was nixed, no doubt due to the current focus on new characters rather than old ones.
Except of course for
Drizzt
and most other R.A. Salvatore characters
and Elminster
and the KoMD.
Hmmm.....
*snickers* Good point, SB. WotC does love their cash cows.
Though I'd hesitate to put the KoMD on there. We've had novels that featured them, but they've never really been the focus of the tale. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 06:28:38
quote:
Originally posted by VEDSICA
I want to see Elaine do a novel,or trilogy, on Elaith Craulnober.Not necessarily his past.Well his past will always have to be mentioned,but....I want to see him in adventures in the present.
I recall her mentioning some time ago about a novel proposal featuring Elaith that she submitted. The idea was nixed, no doubt due to the current focus on new characters rather than old ones.
Except of course for
Drizzt
and most other R.A. Salvatore characters
and Elminster
and the KoMD.
Hmmm..... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 05:30:13
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
Ed's Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy that he's working on still. I don't think that the title has been totally chosen yet. :) I'm soooooooo looking forward to this trilogy. It's only taken 15 years to get it made. :)
Ooooh! I know about that novel (and look forward to it!), I just didn't know what the initials stood for. They didn't ring any bells. |
| VEDSICA |
Posted - 07 Mar 2005 : 01:11:53
I want to see Elaine do a novel,or trilogy, on Elaith Craulnober.Not necessarily his past.Well his past will always have to be mentioned,but....I want to see him in adventures in the present.
Also I am intrigued with RAS coming out with the post Crystal Shard Jarlaxle and Entreri. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 17:43:02
Though the title Swords of Eveningstar has been mooted for the first Knights book. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 17:05:01
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now, me, personally, I'd like to see Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak do another trilogy. I love their stuff.
I'd second that. I think we're long overdue for either a great Alias novel (starring Jennifer Garner with red hair!) or perhaps taking Jeff's FR comic characters and rebuilding the Realmsmaster for new adventures!
Then again, they're the dearest of friends so I just want to see them get more books under their names.
SES
The Realms Master was rebuilt, in one of the Dragon short stories. 'Twas called Reunification (Body and Soul), and appeared in issue 247.
But yeah, it would be great to see a novel or even a trilogy dealing with Foxy, Agrivar, Ishi, Minder, Vartan, and Omen. They made a great team.
I seem to recall Agrivar and Ishi appearing in one of the Realms of anthologies, as well. |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 07:15:09
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now, me, personally, I'd like to see Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak do another trilogy. I love their stuff.
I'd second that. I think we're long overdue for either a great Alias novel (starring Jennifer Garner with red hair!) or perhaps taking Jeff's FR comic characters and rebuilding the Realmsmaster for new adventures!
Then again, they're the dearest of friends so I just want to see them get more books under their names.
SES |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 05:58:35
Now, me, personally, I'd like to see Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak do another trilogy. I love their stuff. |
