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Dargoth Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:17:30
Say I have a Paladin who has taken the Sword of the Arcane Order feat and levels of Knights of the Weave PrC

Now could said Paladin add Wizard spells to his Knights of the Weave Known spell list? (from the Sword of the Arcane Order Feat)
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MerrikCale Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 03:11:12
I'm still trying to figure out the Selune paladins from this book
seankreynolds Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 17:04:14
{Essentially, the Knight of the Weave has a very limited spell list for balancing reasons. Expanding that list is very possibly overpowered.}

Hmm, it has been a long time since I read the book, and I don't remember if that's one of the prestige classes I wrote, but if it *was*, I should point out that I design spell lists for thematic reasons, not balancing reasons. Other aspects of the class may be balanced around that, but adding a spell or two to a class list shouldn't be too traumatic ... especially if you're spending a feat to do so.
Arivia Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 19:07:18
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
I thought it was "Will accept bribes."



Nah, that's the conversion table for Perversity points in Paranoia...



I see you ended up with a triple post, just like me.



Damn post errors...fixed now.
warlockco Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 19:04:20
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
I thought it was "Will accept bribes."



Nah, that's the conversion table for Perversity points in Paranoia...



I see you ended up with a triple post, just like me.
Arivia Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 18:59:02
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
I thought it was "Will accept bribes."



Nah, that's the conversion table for Perversity points in Paranoia...
warlockco Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 18:54:59
quote:
Originally posted by Kaladorm

Which rule is that Volo, the "DM is always right"? or the "Go fetch me a beer!"?

Both are very valid



I thought it was "Will accept bribes."
Kaladorm Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 11:10:55
Which rule is that Volo, the "DM is always right"? or the "Go fetch me a beer!"?

Both are very valid
Volo Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 10:39:52
That's why you do what I've done. I've photocopied and enlarged the 'golden rule' from the 3.5 DMG and had it posted behind my chair. If a rules lawyer starts to argue with me, I point at it. Problem (usually) solved.
Arivia Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 10:22:31
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
Unless it one of your players, seeking to take advantage of the rules.



Very true, and that's part of the reason I usually DM.
warlockco Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 03:10:06
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

"Oh no! rules lawyers!" (takes out his copy of "The Slayers Guide To Rules Lawyers")





Having people who know the rules like the back of their hand around is rather helpful sometimes...



Unless it one of your players, seeking to take advantage of the rules.
Arivia Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 12:02:25
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

"Oh no! rules lawyers!" (takes out his copy of "The Slayers Guide To Rules Lawyers")





Having people who know the rules like the back of their hand around is rather helpful sometimes...
khorne Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 11:41:12
"Oh no! rules lawyers!" (takes out his copy of "The Slayers Guide To Rules Lawyers")
Arivia Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 09:45:32
quote:
Originally posted by Kazzaroth

Then why not mix both spells together? Replace spell whit spell C and leave D and E alone.



That is the suggested alternative, yes.
Kazzaroth Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 03:51:56
Then why not mix both spells together? Replace spell whit spell C and leave D and E alone.
Arivia Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 21:04:42
quote:
Originally posted by Bluenose

When I looked at the Spell Compendium in my FLGS it didn't seem particularily interesting and I didn't buy it. Could you summarise why letting it happen would be unbalanced? What restrictions would make it more acceptable? Limiting it by schools perhaps?



Essentially, the Knight of the Weave has a very limited spell list for balancing reasons. Expanding that list is very possibly overpowered.
Bluenose Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 14:56:54
When I looked at the Spell Compendium in my FLGS it didn't seem particularily interesting and I didn't buy it. Could you summarise why letting it happen would be unbalanced? What restrictions would make it more acceptable? Limiting it by schools perhaps?
Arivia Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 10:10:14
quote:
Originally posted by Bluenose
It might not be strictly according to the rules, but it doesn't seem unbalanced



Warning: It arguably is. See Other Spellcasting Classes, page 3 of the Spell Compendium.
Bluenose Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 10:04:55
Personal house rule.

If you take Knight of the Weave levels, and the feats Sword of the Arcane Order and Practiced Spellcaster, you can do what you want eg add wizard spells to the Knight of the Weave list.

It might not be strictly according to the rules, but it doesn't seem unbalanced and it certainly seems like it fits the "flavour" of the organisation.
Dargoth Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 04:57:08
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm

ok thanks

Ill have to try something else then



What are you looking for?



Basicly Im fleshing out the Cult of the Ascended Lovers group that Eric Boyd mentions in his Age of Worms FR Conversion. There a group who worships both Kelemvor and Mystra

What I was thinking of was making the Cult of the Ascended lovers a group that spans elements of Kelemvors Knights of the Eternal order and Mystras Guardians of the Weave (Or Knights of the Mystic Fire)

The Knights of the Eternal order are all about putting down undead

The Guardians of the Weave are all about destroying evil arcane spell casters

Lichs and Vampires are Undead, ussually evil and frequently Arcane Spellcasters ie the natural enemy of both orders

At the moment Im creating a husband and wife team for the Cult of the Ascended lovers for the Daggerford article Im woring on for Candlekeep( A 3.5 update and timeline boost for the Daggerford). One will be a Guardian of the Weave/Knight of the Mystic Fire and the other other a member of the Knights of the Eternal order.

Both are Paladins but Im trying to give the Guardian of the Weave NPC a bit of an Arcane kick

Arivia Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:47:34
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm

ok thanks

Ill have to try something else then



What are you looking for?
Dargoth Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:45:19
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Do I get my Pizza for free if its longer than 20 minutes?



No, but you do get a free class progression template from your local Powergamers'R'Us.

As for the ruling: No, as they're separate spellcasting class abilities and there's no note of equivalency.



Hmm

ok thanks

Ill have to try something else then
Arivia Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:26:51
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Do I get my Pizza for free if its longer than 20 minutes?



No, but you do get a free class progression template from your local Powergamers'R'Us.

As for the ruling: No, as they're separate spellcasting class abilities and there's no note of equivalency.
Dargoth Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:23:35
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

RESPONDING TO ALERT! *BZZT* *BZZT*

Please wait on hold. We will have your ruling within 10-20 minutes.



Do I get my Pizza for free if its longer than 20 minutes?
Arivia Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:20:39
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Please wait on hold. We will have your ruling within 10-20 minutes.

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