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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:17:30
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Say I have a Paladin who has taken the Sword of the Arcane Order feat and levels of Knights of the Weave PrC
Now could said Paladin add Wizard spells to his Knights of the Weave Known spell list? (from the Sword of the Arcane Order Feat)
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:20:39
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:23:35
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Emperor Sigismund
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:26:51
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Do I get my Pizza for free if its longer than 20 minutes?
No, but you do get a free class progression template from your local Powergamers'R'Us.
As for the ruling: No, as they're separate spellcasting class abilities and there's no note of equivalency. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:45:19
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Do I get my Pizza for free if its longer than 20 minutes?
No, but you do get a free class progression template from your local Powergamers'R'Us.
As for the ruling: No, as they're separate spellcasting class abilities and there's no note of equivalency.
Hmm
ok thanks
Ill have to try something else then |
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Emperor Sigismund
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Edited by - Dargoth on 28 Jan 2006 03:45:53 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 03:47:34
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm
ok thanks
Ill have to try something else then
What are you looking for? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2006 : 04:57:08
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm
ok thanks
Ill have to try something else then
What are you looking for?
Basicly Im fleshing out the Cult of the Ascended Lovers group that Eric Boyd mentions in his Age of Worms FR Conversion. There a group who worships both Kelemvor and Mystra
What I was thinking of was making the Cult of the Ascended lovers a group that spans elements of Kelemvors Knights of the Eternal order and Mystras Guardians of the Weave (Or Knights of the Mystic Fire)
The Knights of the Eternal order are all about putting down undead
The Guardians of the Weave are all about destroying evil arcane spell casters
Lichs and Vampires are Undead, ussually evil and frequently Arcane Spellcasters ie the natural enemy of both orders
At the moment Im creating a husband and wife team for the Cult of the Ascended lovers for the Daggerford article Im woring on for Candlekeep( A 3.5 update and timeline boost for the Daggerford). One will be a Guardian of the Weave/Knight of the Mystic Fire and the other other a member of the Knights of the Eternal order.
Both are Paladins but Im trying to give the Guardian of the Weave NPC a bit of an Arcane kick
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Bluenose
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 10:04:55
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Personal house rule.
If you take Knight of the Weave levels, and the feats Sword of the Arcane Order and Practiced Spellcaster, you can do what you want eg add wizard spells to the Knight of the Weave list.
It might not be strictly according to the rules, but it doesn't seem unbalanced and it certainly seems like it fits the "flavour" of the organisation. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 10:10:14
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Originally posted by Bluenose
It might not be strictly according to the rules, but it doesn't seem unbalanced
Warning: It arguably is. See Other Spellcasting Classes, page 3 of the Spell Compendium. |
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Bluenose
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 14:56:54
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| When I looked at the Spell Compendium in my FLGS it didn't seem particularily interesting and I didn't buy it. Could you summarise why letting it happen would be unbalanced? What restrictions would make it more acceptable? Limiting it by schools perhaps? |
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Followed their mercenary calling
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2006 : 21:04:42
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Originally posted by Bluenose
When I looked at the Spell Compendium in my FLGS it didn't seem particularily interesting and I didn't buy it. Could you summarise why letting it happen would be unbalanced? What restrictions would make it more acceptable? Limiting it by schools perhaps?
Essentially, the Knight of the Weave has a very limited spell list for balancing reasons. Expanding that list is very possibly overpowered. |
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Kazzaroth
Learned Scribe
Finland
104 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 03:51:56
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| Then why not mix both spells together? Replace spell whit spell C and leave D and E alone. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 09:45:32
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Originally posted by Kazzaroth
Then why not mix both spells together? Replace spell whit spell C and leave D and E alone.
That is the suggested alternative, yes. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 11:41:12
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 12:02:25
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Originally posted by khorne
"Oh no! rules lawyers!" (takes out his copy of "The Slayers Guide To Rules Lawyers")
Having people who know the rules like the back of their hand around is rather helpful sometimes... |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 03:10:06
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by khorne
"Oh no! rules lawyers!" (takes out his copy of "The Slayers Guide To Rules Lawyers")
Having people who know the rules like the back of their hand around is rather helpful sometimes...
Unless it one of your players, seeking to take advantage of the rules. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 10:22:31
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Originally posted by warlockco
Unless it one of your players, seeking to take advantage of the rules.
Very true, and that's part of the reason I usually DM. |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 10:39:52
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 11:10:55
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Which rule is that Volo, the "DM is always right"? or the "Go fetch me a beer!"?
Both are very valid |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 18:59:02
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Originally posted by warlockco
I thought it was "Will accept bribes." 
Nah, that's the conversion table for Perversity points in Paranoia... |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 19:07:18
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by warlockco
I thought it was "Will accept bribes."
Nah, that's the conversion table for Perversity points in Paranoia...
I see you ended up with a triple post, just like me.
Damn post errors...fixed now. |
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seankreynolds
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
91 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 17:04:14
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{Essentially, the Knight of the Weave has a very limited spell list for balancing reasons. Expanding that list is very possibly overpowered.}
Hmm, it has been a long time since I read the book, and I don't remember if that's one of the prestige classes I wrote, but if it *was*, I should point out that I design spell lists for thematic reasons, not balancing reasons. Other aspects of the class may be balanced around that, but adding a spell or two to a class list shouldn't be too traumatic ... especially if you're spending a feat to do so. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 03:11:12
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