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| Brimstone |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 17:33:50
-Update from this thread. http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1073327
[QUOTE=Red_Wizard;16558124]Gods for now, more later when I get to read :D.
Deities of 4e Realms:
Greater Gods:
Amaunator
Asmodeus
Bane
Chauntea
Corellon
Cyric
Ghaunadaur
Gruumsh
Kelemvor
Lolth
Moradin
Ohgma
Selune
Shar
Silvanus
Sune
Tempus
Torm
Gods: Serve the greaters
Angharraadh
Auril
Bahamut
Berronar Truesilver
Beshaba
Garl Glittergold
Gond
Ilmater
Loviatar
Luthnic
Meilikki
Sheela Peryroyl
Sseth
Talona
Tiamat
Tymora
Umberlee
Waukeen
Zehir
Exarchs/ Demigods: Ascended mortals mainly, some have mortal worshippers
Abbathor
Arvoreen
Baervan Wildwanderer
Bahgtru
Baravar Cloakshadow
Berronar
Brandobaris
Callarduran Smoothhands
Clangeddon Silverbeard
Cyrrollalee
Deep Seshalas
Dugmaren Brightmantle
Erevan Ilesere
Fenmarel Mestarline
Fzoul Chembryl
Garagos
Hoar
Hruggek
Jergal
Labelas Enoreth
Lliira
Maglubiyet
Malar
Marthammor Duin
Milil
Obould
The Red Knight
Sharess
Shargaas
Shevarash
Shiallia
Siamorphe
Solonar Thelandrira
Thard Harr
Uthgar
Valkur
Vaprak
Vergadain
Primordials:
Akadi
Bazim-Gorag
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
Seven Lost Gods. (Includes Dendar, Kezef, and Borem of the Boiling Mud)
Archdevils: One for each of the nine
Baalzebul
Bel
Belial
Dispater
Glasya
Levistus
Mammon
Mephistopheles
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Enjoy, or blast as you will. ;)
-RW[/QUOTE]
BRIMSTONE  |
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| monknwildcat |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 22:12:09
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
The FRCG does not go into detail very much on this subject.
Dragon Magazine will, at some point, begin featuring Primordials much in the same way it currently features demon lords in the Demonomicon of Iggwilv. I would love to write at least one article in this series which may shed some more light on the war between Primordials and Gods (in the context of the Realms of course!)
I look forward to reading your work, Brian! Thanks for answering! |
| Na-Gang |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 21:03:40
I posted this in another thread, but I guess it's more appropriate to this one:
I thought the idea was to get rid of overlapping portfolios (spheres) but both Sune and Sheela Peryroyl are listed as having power over Beauty. |
| Bakra |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 17:26:08
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm... 
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir.
Tyranthraxus is a primoridal 
When are we going to learn more on that little bitty statement???
And I am personally happy to see Phlan is still around. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 15:01:30
-Thanks Brian! 
BRIMSTONE |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 14:45:13
The FRCG does not go into detail very much on this subject.
Dragon Magazine will, at some point, begin featuring Primordials much in the same way it currently features demon lords in the Demonomicon of Iggwilv. I would love to write at least one article in this series which may shed some more light on the war between Primordials and Gods (in the context of the Realms of course!) |
| Na-Gang |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 10:21:40
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir.
Is this going to be explained in a Dragon article because the FRCS leaves one with more questions than asnwers. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 17:00:27
-The book also mentioned that Abeir and Toril have been in conjunction with each other before. Krash mentioned in the current Ed Greenwood scroll that some Dwarves have been using a portal to go to Abeir. 
-Brian I saw that your name is inside the FRCG! I just want to say keep up the graet work. 
BRIMSTONE |
| monknwildcat |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 15:39:17
Brian-
Does the FRCG explain the primordial-gods lore, is it in the 4E core stuff, or is this future, DDI article-type stuff?
Thanks for sharing your insight! |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 15:09:12
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm...
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir. |
| Lord Nemes |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 04:03:16
Maybe Mask big plan was to take shar down and somehow succeede with his intrigue and decide to do his business on a false name(Shar)...it would also explain why she pass from darkness to shadow...
Ok I'm dreaming...I also like Mask very much... |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 03:28:30
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name)
You mean Kezef?
quote:
And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Have you read the tidbits about the 'Risen Sun Heresy' in Power of Faerūn? There's some tidbits in City of Splendors: Waterdeep too.
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm... |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 00:40:32
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Rest assured, she'd be very disappointed when reading LP III. And not just for Eilistraee's sake.
I know I'll be sorry I asked, but...
what did they do to Eilistraee? Mind, I was already cheesed off with the whole "DARK and EDGY!(TM)" tone they were giving her through the Lady Penitent series, but from what you said, it only gets worse... |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 00:31:59
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Ghaunadaur? Greater God? ... alas, Loviatar is still about.
I like Ghaun, but since when did he become a major player? |
| Finder |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 19:02:41
Well if they end up killing off Mask I think they are making a big mistake. They are killing off and changing what many FR fans liked about the realms. |
| Tyranthraxus |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 00:51:53
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You know, I was just noting the whole shadow thing... In 3E, anything shadow-related was associated with Shar. But shadows were part of Mask's portfolio!
Shar destroyed Mystra with Cyric's help, so she could have somehow stolen Mask's portfolio since he's hiding and all. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 23:23:31
Rest assured, she'd be very disappointed when reading LP III. And not just for Eilistraee's sake. Matter of factly, the outline of this whole series was very disappointing indeed. Essentially, it started my growing disinterest in anything 4E-FR. Any news I get from those having the FRCG in their hands increase that feeling, on a daily basis. |
| ShepherdGunn |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 21:22:56
I'm a bit concerned that Eilistraee isn't listed there either. I guess I can tell my wife not to bother with reading the last of the Lady Penitent books. |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 19:14:09
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'd just like to point out that while Mask isn't a deity in the New Realms, he may not necessarily be dead either.
I know, I know. I have just lost all confidence in the 4e Realms design team not to botch things up. The weird thing is that they made most of these changes after their was abject complaint about them and before they were set in stone. They kept on saying that they couldn't answer questions about certain things because it was still in a state of flux, but other than swapping Tyr with Torm, it seems as though they took none of the other concerns of the majority (IMO) of the fans into consideration. Being a bit of a lore purist, I have decided to take everything up to the end of the GHotR as canon, but after that I will develop my own lore (especially the effects of the Spellplague, which was what the GHotR ended with and the catalyst that the designers used to justify most of their erroneous changes). |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 18:51:38
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
While I was waiting impatiently for the third Twilight War novel to come out so I could buy and read all three, I now find my self afraid to do so when it is finally published. My reasoning for this is that Mask is not mentioned as a deity in the new FRCG. The only reason I can see for this is that WotC decided to kill him off in the last Cale novel.
I'd just like to point out that while Mask isn't a deity in the New Realms, he may not necessarily be dead either. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 18:49:53
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms   .
Yeah, the bit about Zehir doesn't even make much sense when you look at the design team's stated goals (ie. don't be redundant). The role of the core Zehir is pretty well fulfilled by a few other gods on the lists. It is speculated by some that Zehir's just in there because of the upcoming NWN2 expansion (Storm of Zehir), but who knows what the details about that are. Game designers who make FR game products usually have to dance to WotC's tune, not the other way around. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 17:52:52
-Its being speculated that Mask went to The Fane of Shadows. He is hiding out. His former Chosen have been seen in his former domain.
BRIMSTONE |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:39:50
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms . And what's with Dendar and Kezef being two of the 'Seven Lost Gods'? Some of these changes require more than just retconning to make sense, because a lot of published Realmslore contradicts them... *SIGH*
And, as has already been pointed out, they're adding deities to a setting that supposedly had too many deities. |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:31:39
While I was waiting impatiently for the third Twilight War novel to come out so I could buy and read all three, I now find my self afraid to do so when it is finally published. My reasoning for this is that Mask is not mentioned as a deity in the new FRCG. The only reason I can see for this is that WotC decided to kill him off in the last Cale novel. I wish that WotC would pay attention to how often its "announcements" produce nausea in their customers. I think that if they did (well, if they did and they were not owned by Hasbro) they might realize quite how horrible the changes they are making to the 4e Realms are. Maybe. |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 03:56:12
... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms . And what's with Dendar and Kezef being two of the 'Seven Lost Gods'? Some of these changes require more than just retconning to make sense, because a lot of published Realmslore contradicts them... *SIGH* |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 18:42:52
The full details about Amaunator's return have not been revealed, however a while back Rich revealed that Lathander and Amaunator are one and the same, and the god just goes through different phases at different times. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 15:37:27
-I think the Secret Time-Line is Shar's Shadow Roll of Years! 
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| Tyranthraxus |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:45:50
Kezef, yes that's it.
And no, I haven't read them. I don't own power of faerūn or city of splendors. I'll have to borrow them from my brother the next time I see him. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:35:33
quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name)
You mean Kezef?
quote:
And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Have you read the tidbits about the 'Risen Sun Heresy' in Power of Faerūn? There's some tidbits in City of Splendors: Waterdeep too. |
| Tyranthraxus |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:19:48
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek
No Mask?
Has my dream come true and Cyric finally decided to settle matters with this little pest once and for all? 
I'm disappointed with not seeing Mask on the list because I think he was underused. I think it would have been a lot of fun to have had Mystra's assassination and Cyric's imprisonment result from Mask's machinations.
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name) and his grudge against Cyric for stealing his portfolio.
And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Fzoul as demigod? He's just lucky Manshoon didn't got the chance to kill him before the spellplague!
Obould? How did he become a demigod??? I don't much about him, but in the FRSC he was like a level 5 NPC. |
| Pandora |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:03:21
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
From Brimstone's last post, citing Rich Baker:
quote:
We have a "secret timeline" in house where many of those events are set in order, and the exact fates of missing deities are specifically noted. So we do know what happened to most of those deities.
The "problem" is that:
a. its secret ... so we dont know it (yet) and get confused / annoyed by lack of knowledge and
b. he only says they know the date of their deaths but in no way suggested they knew the how and why. |
