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| Fillow |
Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 10:11:05
Hi Fellow Scribes,
hoping thaht that question is not so stupid thaht I think and that it has not been asked before.
But I have doubts about the second one...
Ahem... In the first opus, Faiths & Avatars, some information appear and in the second one, Faiths and Pantheons, they are not quoted anymore.
I've no examples at the moment. I know, I should but I have not ! Because of the emotion I think ! 
I mean some priests daily habits are described in the first opus and are not in the recent one.
So the question is :
Does it mean These habits do not exist anymore ? Or is everything which is not contradicted in the second one always canon ?
As usual, I'm not sure my question is concise. But I'm sure you begin to be used about it... No ? 
Thanks a lot for clearing up... |
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:47:02
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Rino as Ao? Whoa. I shudder to think what Candlekeep would be like with an all-seeing Rino. 
Better than Candlekeep with a see-through Rino. Now Candlekeep with Rino in something see-through...  (runs for cover).
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| Kajehase |
Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 09:17:00
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Rino as Ao? Whoa. I shudder to think what Candlekeep would be like with an all-seeing Rino.
Better than Candlekeep with a see-through Rino. Now Candlekeep with Rino in something see-through... (runs for cover). |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 20:55:15
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
Euh... Excuse-me Rinonalyrna, I know that Ao isn't a model of womanhood but I did not know a FR goddess who could be great enough.
I thought to Mystra but I really do not want you to follow her way of... "(un)life". Really
one thousandth of billionth Thanks The Sage !
In MY Realms, Mystra will not die, so I wouldn't mind representing her. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 20:54:20
Euh... Excuse-me Rinonalyrna, I know that Ao isn't a model of womanhood but I did not know a FR goddess who could be great enough.
I thought to Mystra but I really do not want you to follow her way of... "(un)life". Really
one thousandth of billionth Thanks The Sage ! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 16:55:36
Errr... nothing, my dear. Absolutely nothing.
. . .
*The Sage wanders off, whistling quietly to himself.* |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 15:56:19
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Rino as Ao? Whoa. I shudder to think what Candlekeep would be like with an all-seeing Rino.
Whaddya mean by that? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 04:34:35
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
F&A says about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their foe.
It could simply be that the Fire and Ice rituals are designed to reflect Auril's Will and the dominance of cold and ice, even when exposed to heat and/or fire. The rituals could be used to demonstrate the mortal application of Auril's dogma, which directs her priesthood to "quench fire wherever it is found."
quote:
And the last one (at the moment) :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
Other than it being the final touch to their priestly vestments? No. I have speculated in the past, that the priestly circlet itself could be a derived designed based on the "ornate crown" said to be worn by Auril's 'Icedawn' manifestation however.
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| Fillow |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 04:03:00
Allright, We all love you too !
Gods are children too ! 
And what about go back to work now ! :
F&A says about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their foe.
And the last one (at the moment) :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 02:19:39
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
As for Wooly, why break with his trickster reputation? Make him Erevan. Or even Loki in the guise of a Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen.
Loki's got bad PR on his side. My favorite Tricksters are Kokopelli and my patron saint*, Coyote.
*Yes, I know Coyote isn't a patron saint. But I'm not Catholic, so I figure that balances out! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 02:10:10
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
Not so much. But I am tired of being called a "clumsy oaf" or a "silly old sage" by the Lady K.
quote:
You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice !
Rino as Ao? Whoa. I shudder to think what Candlekeep would be like with an all-seeing Rino. And I'd probably be Oghma, or evern Deneir. As for Wooly, why break with his trickster reputation? Make him Erevan. Or even Loki in the guise of a Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 00:59:33
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm flattered.
No no Milady.
I am !
Aww shucks. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 20:58:55
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm flattered.
No no Milady.
I am ! |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 20:49:47
quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice !
Euh... Something about that ?
I'm flattered.
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| Fillow |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 20:35:15
Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice !
Euh... Something about that ? :
quote:
still have questions about lore in the Faiths source books.
It deals with Auril.
It's about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath. the book says that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their enemy.
And I still have a small one :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 14:35:42
Yes, Eric does still visit Candlekeep. He's dropped in once or twice since September '07, but hasn't posted since the 24th Sept.
You could try contacting him via the email over on his website:- http://www.ericlboyd.com/dnd/ |
| Fillow |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 12:10:34
Does anyone know if Eric Boyd still comes to the keep ?
I asked him the question about the name of Azuth's staff gem few days ago and I saw that he had not come to the forums since Sep 2007.
I still have questions about lore in the Faiths source books.
It deals with Auril.
It's about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath. the book says that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their enemy.
And I still have a small one :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
Thanks for reading. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 20:46:05
Allright about the question about the getting of spells. It was easy to understand in fact !
Thnks for that to Wooly, Faraer and ShadezofDis.
Thanks also to you lovely THO. I see what you mean.
I just cannot find the Ed replies page where it could be quoted ! An idea about its location ? the year ? about a mean to reach it through an Internet search engine ?
I go to ask it to Eric Boyd !
love ! (to THO only !!)
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 23:32:58
Eric Boyd is probably the best person to ask re. the two names for Azuth's gem, but I THINK I remember Ed saying "the Spirit Stone" is the name of this particular gem, and a "Donjon of facets" is WHAT it is (i.e. the type of magic item or artifact [analogy: my sword 'Foescorcher' [Spirit Stone] is a "2 Flametongue longsword" [Donjon of facets]).
As in, it can trap spirits of beings within its facets...
love,
THO |
| ShadezofDis |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 21:51:43
Yep,
Mystra's priests get their spells from Mystra.
Other deities priests get their spells from their respective gods.
The same sort of idea holds in various churches in Faerun, most of them have people in their hierarchy that are not divine casters (though in some cases this is exceedingly rare). |
| Faraer |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 21:15:07
Mystra's clergy includes priests of Mystra ("those clergy members who gain their spells directly from a higher power"), mages and bards.
Of these, the priests "gain their spells directly from the goddess".
Nothing is said in those quotes about priests of gods other than Mystra. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 21:08:03
Thanks Wooly.
So, every cleric/priest of the Realms gets (got !) his spells from Mystra, whoever is his own deity ?
That's what it says ? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 20:56:11
I can't answer the first one, but I think I can help you with the second one. The key is a sentence a couple lines earlier, in the same paragraph:
quote:
Clerics, specialty priests, wizards, and bards can all be found in its ranks without regard to experience level or origin.
What's being said is that there are a whole bunch of spellcasters in Mystra's clergy, and all are welcome. But only those who get their spells from a deity get their spells from her -- so wizards and bards don't get spells from Mystra, but priests would. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 19:48:04
Umm... I try to gather pantheons data into an only one text, getting information from different sourcebooks.
I 've just finished with Azuth and I'm now on Mystra's file !
So I still come back with my precedent question and another one... as a bonus !
1- In F&A, p.34, it is said that the gem which is on the top the Old Staff, Azuth's staff, is called The Spirit Stone.
In F&P, p.14, it is said the gem is called the Donjon of facets
Does anyone knows why this change happened ? Are there two names for the same gem ?
These both sourcebooks seem to be the only ones where the artefact is named.
2- In F&A, p.129, within the Mystra's description (in "The Church"), we can read :
"Only those clergy members who gain their spells directly from a higher power gain their spells directly from the goddess, but all are welcome within the church’s hierarchy. "
I also read the French translation and... I do not understand what it means !... Neither in French language ! really !
Thanks for helping. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 04:16:29
Another question about Deities please.
In F&A, p.34, it is said that the gem which is on the top the Old Staff, Azuth's staff, is called The Spirit Stone.
In F&P, p.14, it is said the gem is called the Donjon of facets
Does anyone knows why this change happened ? Are there two names for the same gem ?
These both sourcebooks seem to be the only ones where the artefact is named.
Thanks. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 04:04:09
Once again : I thank you so very much.
That's more than I expected to know. Your answers are very comprehensive.
You gave me more work than I thought I had...  ... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 01:31:22
quote:
Originally posted by Caedwyr
Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR)
As Wooly said, Faiths & Avatars, it's companion Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities are usually considered the "Big Three" deity books for FR. I frequently include Monster Mythology in my campaigns and the PLANESCAPE On Hallowed Ground resource as well [making it the "Big Five" for me] at my FR gaming table. This is because there's lots of neat stuff and plenty of extra lore in those other two tomes that can be quite useful for heavily religious-themed adventures in the Realms. Plus, there some monstrous deities referenced in Monster Mythology that still haven't received any major updates in 3e -- so it's still the only source for those particular powers. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 22:58:07
quote:
Originally posted by Caedwyr
Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR)
Demihuman Deities, Powers & Pantheons, and Faiths & Avatars are the FR deity trilogy. Those are the big three.
Monster Mythology and On Hallowed Ground are good sources, too, but neither one is FR-specific, unlike the deity trilogy. Monster Mythology was part of the DMGR reference series for DM's, and On Hallowed Ground was, as noted, a Planescape reference. |
| Caedwyr |
Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 22:10:06
Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR) |
| Fillow |
Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 19:41:10
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
And there's a degree of new lore in the write-ups, but it's information you'll have to search for.
What are the write-ups ? the posts from creators or authors herein ?
Allright ! understood ! I will used the search tool quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
especially if you have access to the "Big Three" deity books of FR 2e.
Thanks a lot to you The Sage, I forgot the both other sources (Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities)
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
So unless you hunting for deity stats and a few updated informations (though there are hardly any of note - for the setting as such), go for F&A. The F&P PrC are decent enough, but still need errata and updating to 3,5E (6 years after appearing on the market).
I do not search data to roleplay. I just try to write complete texts about a few deities, with no mention to the game. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 16:26:13
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Murdane was also a new bit of lore intro'ed in F&P.
Agreed, although I had no idea she first appeared in F&P. |
