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| Patrakis |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 16:31:09
From reading many post about Golarion, i gather that many scribes have decided that it will be their new home since they are very dissatified with the new 4e realms. I'm curious to know how many are definetly leaving the realms versus those that adopted Golarion to get their reading fix every month but will still play in FR.
Personnaly, i don't think the realms have died because there won't be anything new to read every month. I'll just continue to play in it as if 4e didn't exist.
I'm also curious to know why some people are turning to another setting because FR isn't supported by new products anymore. Isn't it possible to play in the old realms without a company forcing events in the future? Isn't it possible to play in a well detailed world even though the timeline has stopped in 1375 and each of us has to create the future?
I got to thinking about how much we are dependent of what companies are creating to the point that if it stops, we just change the setting to get our fix of new stuff. I would think that 20 years of development hundreds of books about a setting would be enough to play a lifetime in such a setting. Why the need to change just because the company decided the destroy it all of a sudden. We still have the past...
Anyway...just some musings on my part because i'm a bit sad people are leaving the realms for another setting just because WotC isn't our friend anymore :)
Pat
Note: Maybe there could be a poll about this somewhere. How many are leaving FR behind and adopting Golarion as their new setting. That would be interesting to see. |
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| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 21:05:43
LOL! ok... thought so... I'm happy to think there are still things relegated to the fantastic... 'cause if Obama played not only D&D, but played in the Realms... well... that would be too cool to bear.
Hmmm... if that would be the case, I wonder if Ed could be appointed to Head of Homeland Fantasy...  (imagine the bodyguard contingent: fat male gamers running around Ed's limo... LOL!!!!  ) |
| Thalos_Milathriel |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 02:07:30
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
quote:
Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
"This is not the Forgotten Realms I thought I knew." -Barack Obama
Where did you see this quote? O_x
I got it second hand from Elminster, the Old Sage who is said to visit our plane from time to time. |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 21:09:53
quote:
Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
"This is not the Forgotten Realms I thought I knew." -Barack Obama
Where did you see this quote? O_x |
| RodOdom |
Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 09:21:24
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. JamesGolarion may be a fine setting. Same can be said for Dark Sun, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, whatever. But it's simply not the Realms.
Uh .... |
| Thalos_Milathriel |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 03:58:35
Never heard of Golarion. Perhaps I will check into it. I love the Realms and don't think I'll ever give it up completely, but the new stuff is getting less and less appealing aside from the novels and that's still iffy.
Forgotten Realms 4E has "jumped the shark".
"This is not the Forgotten Realms I thought I knew." -Barack Obama |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 17:29:08
quote:
Originally posted by Pandora
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more. 
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways
seconded!
I would probably quickly forgive as well. Considering what they last did to "fix" the Realms, I am a little worried about what they would do to "fix" the last "fix." Basically, I have just lost any confidence in WotC's ability to do anything right in the Realms anymore (certain designers aside), but if given significant proof that they could, I would be willing to forgive and forget. |
| Pandora |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 09:00:16
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more.
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways
seconded! |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 07:28:15
Patrakis,
Like I said, I'm still wrapping up two homecampaigns set in the Realms... so don't you think for a minute that 15-20 years' worth of FR gaming products will go to the toilet. The "wrapping up of campaigns" could take a year or two, maybe slightly more. Moreover, regardless of which setting I end up playing, I will always be drawing from my FR books (underdark, yuan-ti, CoV, PGtoF, etc. etc. etc.)
However, in the end, I will be giving a serious try to the Pathfinder setting. It's just starting right now, but it will gain momentum and new fans and gamers along with it. I won't make the switch overnight, and I won't do it only because "it's the new thing," but will make the switch because it's a winning setting: quality products attract huge numbers of quality gamers, and while I wish I could draw from an infinite pool of Realms-savvy players, the reality is that out there, it's become increasingly hard to recruit good players who love and respect the Realms. The majority of newbies or young DMs I've met in the last two years have mostly been of the kind who like to run games in their homebrew world/setting. The Sellplague has been a huge turn off for the next generation of gamers (i.e. younger than me, i.e. pre-30s crowd), who don't really "get" why they should get involved with a setting who just got nuked. "Aftermath" campaigns must really present a gritty feel, and exhude a post-apocalyptic view of things. Not some "half-assed" magical wave semi nuking further mitigated/softballed by a 100-year buffer unexplainable phenomenon crap setting!
So while I loved the Realms, and hate what it has become, I could have lived with it being "dead setting" if hordes of players would still be clamoring for the pre-Sellplague Realms and seeking to actively game within that stagnant, unchanging and developed to "1375 DR perfection" setting. The reality is that the Realms had a niche following and audience that "could have gone to Hell and back" with the setting, but to let it "go to Hell and never come back" is the pill that was too hard to swallow for most, which ended up fracturing the fanbase.
And fractured niched markets are goners. Period.
I wouldn't even be surprised if D&D as a whole goes the way of the dodo bird in a year or so. D&D *is* a niche market, after all. A slightly bigger niche market than FR, but a niche nonetheless. So FR being a smaller subgroup of D&D, seeing it tank is akin to seeing someone lose a limb to some horrible disease, knowing the other limbs are next, and the main body last...  |
| Patrakis |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 18:39:34
Hi PDK,
I appreciate your new love for Golarion but frankly, i don't think i will move to another setting just because it's not supported by WotC anymore. (Yes i know it's still supported in words but those are not the realms to me).
In fact, i think i have the realms just where i want them. Developped up to a fixed point, leaving me free reign on its futur. You see, i am an old friend of the Harnworld campaign setting. If i remember correctly, i move from Harn to FR in 1986. And what i liked about HW was the fact, and it was clear right at the start, that the world would be described up to a fixed point; the year 720. Nothing beyond that. They gave us history articles, and local articles, kingdom articles, everything was done in respect that 720 was the year the DM took the world in his own hands.
Well FR is like that now. Everything was developped up until 1385 DR and that is more than ok with me. No more waiting for this and that or worrying if what will be publish will contradict what i make. I'm more than happy to go back to the myriad of products that was printed and read it again for the first time:) I think i'm also happy because i wont be a slave to what a company puts out every month. It must be an age thing, where you want to feel contortable with what you have and stop worrying about what il be. I'm confortable with FR ... it just feel like home.
Pat
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Patrakis: my group and I have made a full move to Golarion.
We're currently wrapping up two Realms homecampaigns (one based on the Moonsea book, and the other following the Cormyr/Shadowdale/Anauroc hardcovers, with.. ahem.. some severe plot tweaks by yours truly! )
We are already using the Pathfinder Beta Playtest rules as our Core rules now. It's soooooo much better (barbarians and paladins got a really good boost due to innovative new game mechanics, and the fighters and rogues are no longer so bland... basically, they took each 3.5 Core Class and DMG PrC and "fixed" them to make them more playable alongside the other "Complete Books" i.e. scouts, ninjas, spellwarp snipers, etc.)
As soon as we complete our FR homegames or decide to let them slip by the wayside due to massive disinterest, we will move to the actual Golarion world (some of use already own many Pathfinder Adventures so far; we all have a printed copy of PRPG Beta; and yours truly has a full blown Pathfinder Campaign Setting Hardcover (which Ed has contributed to, no less!  )
So come with me! Ed fully approves of this setting (again, by his contribution to Pathfinder Campaign Setting) and Elaine Cunningham is writing Golarion stories as we speak, a six-part serial fiction for Pathfinder (the first of which gets published in Pathfinder Adventure Path #19, in the Pathfinder Journal section). According to Elaine's website, "The Journal is serial fiction, told as a first person narrative by a Pathfinder--a member of a society devoted to exploration and adventure. They are somewhat reminiscent of the Harpers, only edgier and less altruistic." Also, to give you an idea of Paizo's dynamic team, Elaine said this back in August, "Okay, the detailed outline (16 single-spaced pages, which is a lot of detail for a work that will be, in total, about 25,000 words) went out yesterday. Before the day was out, I had comments back from the editor, including input from the game designers. And follow-up emails. Same day. I love these guys." Here's the link to the product which will contain the first part of her Pathfinder story, if you want to pre-order or get an ongoing subscription (like I did! )
http://paizo.com/pathfinder/v5748btpy84bd&source=search
Ok... nuff said. I've made the Realms my home since 1988, so you can decide "which side I'm on" for yourself (i.e. it was with great sadness that I finally "moved on" from the Realms, but I just couldn't handle being a witness to its slaughter anymore... like showing up at the execution of your best friend knowing he's innocent, really...) I don't want to judge those that will remain in the Realms here. This is not my intent. But by extension of being a fellow long-standing Realms lover and by knowing, in general, what some of you may like, I thought I'd pop in here for a while to share this with you: Pathfinder is amazing. Try it and let me know what you think.
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| MerrikCale |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 04:04:11
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more.
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways |
| Misery |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 08:53:59
I'm playing more FR still though I do plan on playing in Golarion too. Its a pretty solid setting with some great minds working behind it.
Of course I have the luxury of having some time to explore and experience more then one setting since I don't have my OWN. Still, FR will always be the first love. Too many good times to turn my back on it by any means.
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| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 05:58:00
Patrakis: my group and I have made a full move to Golarion.
We're currently wrapping up two Realms homecampaigns (one based on the Moonsea book, and the other following the Cormyr/Shadowdale/Anauroc hardcovers, with.. ahem.. some severe plot tweaks by yours truly! )
We are already using the Pathfinder Beta Playtest rules as our Core rules now. It's soooooo much better (barbarians and paladins got a really good boost due to innovative new game mechanics, and the fighters and rogues are no longer so bland... basically, they took each 3.5 Core Class and DMG PrC and "fixed" them to make them more playable alongside the other "Complete Books" i.e. scouts, ninjas, spellwarp snipers, etc.)
As soon as we complete our FR homegames or decide to let them slip by the wayside due to massive disinterest, we will move to the actual Golarion world (some of use already own many Pathfinder Adventures so far; we all have a printed copy of PRPG Beta; and yours truly has a full blown Pathfinder Campaign Setting Hardcover (which Ed has contributed to, no less! )
So come with me! Ed fully approves of this setting (again, by his contribution to Pathfinder Campaign Setting) and Elaine Cunningham is writing Golarion stories as we speak, a six-part serial fiction for Pathfinder (the first of which gets published in Pathfinder Adventure Path #19, in the Pathfinder Journal section). According to Elaine's website, "The Journal is serial fiction, told as a first person narrative by a Pathfinder--a member of a society devoted to exploration and adventure. They are somewhat reminiscent of the Harpers, only edgier and less altruistic." Also, to give you an idea of Paizo's dynamic team, Elaine said this back in August, "Okay, the detailed outline (16 single-spaced pages, which is a lot of detail for a work that will be, in total, about 25,000 words) went out yesterday. Before the day was out, I had comments back from the editor, including input from the game designers. And follow-up emails. Same day. I love these guys." Here's the link to the product which will contain the first part of her Pathfinder story, if you want to pre-order or get an ongoing subscription (like I did! )
http://paizo.com/pathfinder/v5748btpy84bd&source=search
Ok... nuff said. I've made the Realms my home since 1988, so you can decide "which side I'm on" for yourself (i.e. it was with great sadness that I finally "moved on" from the Realms, but I just couldn't handle being a witness to its slaughter anymore... like showing up at the execution of your best friend knowing he's innocent, really...) I don't want to judge those that will remain in the Realms here. This is not my intent. But by extension of being a fellow long-standing Realms lover and by knowing, in general, what some of you may like, I thought I'd pop in here for a while to share this with you: Pathfinder is amazing. Try it and let me know what you think.
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| danbuter |
Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 02:01:04
I picked up the Campaign Guide. It is really good. The world is pretty generic, and not over-developed. I plan on using Castles and Crusades, and there isn't very much 3e-specific info in the book. It's mostly just lore. |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 16:29:19
You might want to read Kuje's review of the CS in this scroll, starting at the bottom of page 5. |
| Brother Ezra |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 15:33:01
I'm still on the fence. One one hand, I have more than enough material to run campaigns in the Realms until the end of my life. I'm not a 4th ed. supporter, so I won't be making any additional WotC purchases. Most library is mostly complete with Realms publications from the Grey Box all the way through A Grand History.
I am still intrigued, however, with Golarion. The list of contributing authors alone would draw my attention, and the fact that all Paizo adventure paths will be set in Golarion going forward makes me want to know more about the setting.
I'm running Savage Tide in the Realms right now, but doing so with Eric Boyd's very helpful articles on converting ST to the Realms. My next campaign is probably foing to be Rise of the Runelords, and I'm seriously considering running it in Golarion.
The purchase of yet another campaign setting (and the gratuitous expansions) is the only thing holding me back right now. $$ are in short supply.  |
| WhrenKehrsyn |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 06:46:51
Since Im disregarding anything 4e anyway, a reboot wouldnt be a big deal for me. Nothing post 1375 happens in my Realms so if WotC were to retcon out the Spellplague I wouldnt have any issue with it. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 04:04:57
I'm somewhere in-between you guys.
I certainly wouldn't be able to just disregard the 'setting that never was', but if they explained it all away somehow in-game, then I would be able to swallow it and continue on in the era that I enjoy.
For instance, Savras (or some other god) foresaw what was going to happen, and placed certain events in-motion that could reverse the Spellplague and make everything right. Perhaps he/they sent someone away to an alternate prime, or maybe Ao 'cloned' the world once again (heck, he did it before  ) to see which would be the better outcome for Toril in the long run (ie, Shar eventually manages to destroy everything as she has always planned, so Ao hits the 'reset' button).
Whatever; I don't even care if it's hokey - so long as they come up with something I'll be a happy little camper with my 'Golden Age' FR goodness. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 19:17:21
quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting?
-It'd be like what I said. If such a think happened, it wouldn't be as if I suddenly forgot that, during the 4e era, things happened as they did. Returning to sometime before the Spellplague, it'd always be in my mind that the stuff that happened tanked, and that the designers wanted/needed to return to an earlier time to "sweep everything under the rug". That's the thing: in the setting, sure, things can be handwaved and retconned away to have never of happened. The...'taint', for a lack of better words, will always be there, in a meta-game sense, no matter what they do, keep it or shove it.
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 17:42:08
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting?
-It'd be like what I said. If such a think happened, it wouldn't be as if I suddenly forgot that, during the 4e era, things happened as they did. Returning to sometime before the Spellplague, it'd always be in my mind that the stuff that happened tanked, and that the designers wanted/needed to return to an earlier time to "sweep everything under the rug". That's the thing: in the setting, sure, things can be handwaved and retconned away to have never of happened. The...'taint', for a lack of better words, will always be there, in a meta-game sense, no matter what they do, keep it or shove it. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 06:57:37
quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material.
-I am among those who dislike the direction that the setting was taken in, don't get me wrong. I am among those who with that X, Y and Z had never happened. But, at the end of the day, it all did happen. That's the part that's the "deal breaker", to me.
-It did happen, and even if things get reset, I'll always know in my mind that the Spellplague, et al all happened. Things can be made "unofficial", "decannonized", or whatever the proper term for it, but, the thing is, it's like, as I said, the setting's credibility (as a flowing, [mostly] evolving everything-is-canon setting) is flushed down the toilet. Things can be reset to, 1,375 DR (The last official date before the Spellplague), but there goes the concept of the Forgotten Realms as a flowing (mostly) evolving everything-is-canon setting.
How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting? |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 04:42:36
-I will use the world when I run the adventure paths someday. Working on ap #3 right now. 
BRIMSTONE  |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 04:08:01
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material.
-I am among those who dislike the direction that the setting was taken in, don't get me wrong. I am among those who with that X, Y and Z had never happened. But, at the end of the day, it all did happen. That's the part that's the "deal breaker", to me.
-It did happen, and even if things get reset, I'll always know in my mind that the Spellplague, et al all happened. Things can be made "unofficial", "decannonized", or whatever the proper term for it, but, the thing is, it's like, as I said, the setting's credibility (as a flowing, [mostly] evolving everything-is-canon setting) is flushed down the toilet. Things can be reset to, 1,375 DR (The last official date before the Spellplague), but there goes the concept of the Forgotten Realms as a flowing (mostly) evolving everything-is-canon setting.
-Of course, there are the "All of that was a dream"/"That happened in a parallel world"/"Blanket, unexplaining retcon" solutions, but those types of things just make me shrug. Sometimes, that type of stuff is just as bad. Again, though, that's just me.
-"Healed" or not, stuff is just 'broken', for a lack of better words, for me. I don't think that doing something to make the setting closer to it's 'non-broken' form is a good idea, because, that just makes it even more 'broken'.
-If that all makes sense. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 02:33:22
Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 01:49:11
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy
Given IMO what has happened to FR in 4e, the only thing that's likely to make me consider jumping back in to what had been my favorite non-planar setting is this: 5e, a new design team entirely divorced from the 4e team, and a reboot to the 1370s with a tacit admission of "We screwed up." That's not likely to happen unless the IP gets sold off however, so rather than holding my breath I'm simply moving on. With regret, but moving on nonetheless.
-As I've said in the past, (with the principle of a complete reboot negating the things that happened with the debut of 4e), that would be a bad idea, for two reasons. The first and most obvious would be, where do you "restart"? Some people say in 1,372 DR, some people say in 1,375 DR, some people say 1,358 DR, and some say something completely different. Second is- and this is the part that *I* think is most important- is that such an event would hurt the credibility of the Forgotten Realms. It's a setting where everything (more or less) is canon and has an impact on the world, big or small. Taking however many years the 4e era lasts, and then just throwing it all out the window, saying "Eh, nothing happened. This really didn't happen." hurts the credibility of the setting. I don't watch too much TV, and I don't know if you watch a lot of TV either, but, that's a (fairly) used trope in movies and TV. "It was all a dream". That TV show 'Dallas' is the prime example. From what I understand, a lot of people stopped watching that show after, like, an entire season was deemed "a dream". Stuff like that just isn't a good idea for things, in general.
-Anyway, to be on topic, I've given the Golarion setting a quick look, but I wasn't very interested. That's not to say anything about it's designers and authors, of course. The Forgotten Realms, they just have something that 'jumps out' at me. Golarion, not so much. |
| Shemmy |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 07:29:37
While I'm still running a 3.x Planescape campaign with heavy FR content, the next time I start a new game, I'll be doing so in Golarion. Of course, I'm biased in Golarion's favor to some extent I figure. Just a wee bit.
Given IMO what has happened to FR in 4e, the only thing that's likely to make me consider jumping back in to what had been my favorite non-planar setting is this: 5e, a new design team entirely divorced from the 4e team, and a reboot to the 1370s with a tacit admission of "We screwed up." That's not likely to happen unless the IP gets sold off however, so rather than holding my breath I'm simply moving on. With regret, but moving on nonetheless. |
| Tyranthraxus |
Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 00:42:41
I'm not going to switch to the Pathfinder Campaign (or at least I'm not planning to do so) but I am, like some other scribes, using some elements of the PF game in my FR game.
I was thinking of switching campaigns and maybe create my own, but that's not because of 4E. To be honest I have mixed feelings about the new Realms and maybe give it a shot. The players in my group wouldn't mind if I do, though they're skeptic about the new rules.
For now I'll keep playing FR |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:50:13
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed...
It was common, but with a couple of differences:
1) Not many people ignored all canon beyond a certain point. Either people played earlier, or they stayed current, but ignored some events and adjusted their campaigns accordingly. Staying current up until a point and then going totally off the map was not all that common.
2) While many people did add or tweak their own stuff, not many felt like they were forced to ignore certain things or felt like they were deliberately being kicked to the curb. Right or wrong, that's now a common feeling. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:25:13
Indeed it was, for me. Which is one of the main reasons why I'm not interested in 4e FR. My version will never include those events and, hells, for that matter I have a 5 or 6 page word doc about all the things that I even ignore for 3e.
A few people said it before, FR became more of a novel world then a campaign setting, and so I'm not interested in canon FR because the Realm Shaking Events just got to be more and more unbelieveable and they shattered my belief that so many could happen so fast in so short a span of years without the races just going, ANOTHER ONE?.
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed...
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| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 14:54:12
I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed... |
| lowtech |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 06:53:32
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Part of the problem is an issue of support -- a lot of gamers like systems/settings that are actively being supported.
And another part of the problem is that many people feel so strongly about what's been done to the setting that it affects other aspects of the setting. Even people who have no intention of going past 1374 still know what's in the official future of the Realms -- and that knowledge taints any enjoyment of the Realms from any other point in time.
Exactly. |
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