| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 23:17:11
Seeing as how after 1385 any divine realm that doesnt belong to a greater power can be destroyed what are all the Intermediate, Lesser and Demi powers going to do? Then I realsed they'll probly move in with a Greater power who could protect them
Akadi
Bane
-Mask
-Talona
-Loviatar
Chauntea
-Eldath
Grumbar
Istisha
Kelemvor
-Jergal
Kossuth
Lathander
Oghma
-Deneir
-Gond
Shar
Silvanus
-Mielikki
-Lurue
-Gwaeron Windstrom
-Shiallia
Sune
-Tymora
-Sharess
-Lliira
-Selune
-Milil
Talos
-Umberlee
-Auril
-Malar
-Gargos (Tempus probably wouldnt take him in)
Tempus
-Red Knight
-Uthgar
-Valkur
Tyr
-Ilmater
-Torm
Ubtao
Inactive gods
Mystra (DEAD)
Cyric (Imprisoned)
Helm (dead)
Azuth (trapped on the astral plane)
Velsharoon (trapped on the astral plane)
Savras (dead)
To be placed
Beshaba (maybe Talos or Shar)
Gargauth (Bane might take him)
Nobanion
Shaundakul
Siamorphe
Ulutiu
Waukeen
Hoar |
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 22 Nov 2007 : 00:00:58
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by nb_nmare
Sorry, but the first two words of the text, i.e. "many planes", rather precludes the possibility that the planes are "mostly" not in danger.
You sound quite proud of yourself for having figured that out. I hope someone here gives you a medal.
Lol.  Sorry Wooly... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Nov 2007 : 00:00:12
Play nice, people. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 21 Nov 2007 : 23:58:58
quote:
Originally posted by nb_nmare
Sorry, but the first two words of the text, i.e. "many planes", rather precludes the possibility that the planes are "mostly" not in danger.
You sound quite proud of yourself for having figured that out. I hope someone here gives you a medal. |
| nb_nmare |
Posted - 21 Nov 2007 : 22:10:20
Sorry, but the first two words of the text, i.e. "many planes", rather precludes the possibility that the planes are "mostly" not in danger. It strongly suggests that, well, many of them are in danger. We know Dweomerheart is gone, and I strongly suspect we will also lose most if not all planes inhabited by monstrous deities (such as Clangor, the Deep Cavern, Dragon Eyrie, the Fated Depths, Hammergrim, Jotunheim, and Nishrek). These planes may be removed entirely, or become part of other planes (relocating the Great Mother, Ilsensine, Laogzed, and even Ghaundaur to the Far Plane seems a strong possibility). If the rumours regarding gnomes in 4E prove to be true... well, bye bye Golden Hills.
Yet other planes may very well end up being merged, e.g. Fury's Heart seems a natural fit for the Elemental Chaos (perhaps it will even form a part of the Abyss), and the Barrens of Doom and Despair could end up next to/a part of the Nine Hells in the Astral Sea... oh, and it seems virtually a given that Arvandor will form a part of Feywild.
You also missed *my* point: where the word "realm" is used in this passage, it may very well not refer to "divine realm", but instead be used as an synonym of "plane" (i.e. those planes which are ruled by greater powers are the ones which are safe). Of course, in keeping their plane/realm safe that doesn't preclude the possibility of it becoming part of another plane. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 21 Nov 2007 : 20:10:19
Number one, I said "mostly".
Number two, you missed my point. You said Mask is probably all right because he's on the Plane of Shadow. Most deities DO have their own specific realms on whatever plane they reside in, so it's highly likely that Mask's realm is in danger, at least if he remains a Lesser God. |
| nbnmare |
Posted - 21 Nov 2007 : 09:04:15
Actually, the exact text is:
"Many planes are shifted or destroyed as well. Only greater deities prove strong enough to maintain their realms against the resultant chaos."
So the planes certainly *are* in danger. Plus, since the 3rd Edition FR planes and divine realms are often one and the same (e.g. the Gates of the Moon), I would interpret "realms" to mean "home planes".
Besides, strictly speaking Gargauth doesn't have a "divine realm" anyway :).
EDIT: Incidentally, is the Grand History the first reference to the Weave existing outside of Abeir-Toril? I'm sure I remember reading in a 2E book that it was explicity limited to that (or perhaps the crystal sphere), but did any earlier 3E products contradict this? |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 21 Nov 2007 : 02:03:57
quote:
Originally posted by nb_nmare
Does Mask really need to move anywhere? His home is the Plane of Shadow, which we know will still be around in 4E (even if does get a rather silly new name).
But it's not the planes that are in danger (well, mostly), it's the divine realms. |
| nb_nmare |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 22:46:55
Does Mask really need to move anywhere? His home is the Plane of Shadow, which we know will still be around in 4E (even if does get a rather silly new name).
Similarly, Gargauth's home is the Prime Material, so he doesn't need to go anywhere either. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 00:02:12
Also, you may want to check out the still-in-progress Lady Penitent trilogy. It's almost entirely about the struggle between Lolth and Eilistraee (although it does feature new lore developments that I dislike). |
| Ergdusch |
Posted - 19 Nov 2007 : 20:22:44
quote:
Originally posted by LunarMynx
With Lolth being silent since 1374, I would hope her daughter, Eilistraee would finally claim the portfolio and bring about a time of change once again where all can be called brother and sister =)
and kill off the non believing drow >.<
Well met, LunarMynx!
First of all a warm and friendly welcome to the Keep! Enjoy your stay in these massive halls filled with lots of lore adn plenty of (mostly) friendly scribes. While you stroll these halls may My Lady of the Forest smile upon thee and may the great Lord of Knowlegde and Binder of what is known always grant thou His blessings!
Now a response to your post: You should read or finish reading the 'War of the Spider Queen'-series. It's development is essential to your statement.
Spoiler warning:
Lolth is no longer silent. She left the Demonweb pits (which was her old realm) and was reborn in her own plane. Therefore she no long is silent which might crush any hope for her Dauther to take up paerts of her portfolio.
Ergdusch |
| LunarMynx |
Posted - 19 Nov 2007 : 19:27:57
With Lolth being silent since 1374, I would hope her daughter, Eilistraee would finally claim the portfolio and bring about a time of change once again where all can be called brother and sister =)
and kill off the non believing drow >.< |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 23:51:50
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Obviously ... some 11,000 years of "normal" Realms still available for our imagination.
Well, I'm not going to use the Spellplague, or any of these deicidal events, myself, so the other parts of the timeline are still available too.
But that also means much of the new stuff WotC puts out won't be of much use to me, either, at least if they focus entirely on post-Spellplague events. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 22:05:03
True, true... I'm sure most of us have a truclkload of lore, so the Realms AS WE KNOW IT will continue on in our hearts forever. 
I would place Nobanion with the nature deities, given his 'beastial' connections. That, or perhaps the Mulhorandi Pantheon will take him in (if they too aren't destroyed/assimilated) - he was on very good terms with Bast (Sharess). Hoar might do the same, since he's not welcome back amongst the few surviving Untherian deities.
Ulutiu might hang with Ubtao - no particular reason other then they are both ancient primordial pre-human powers.
I think Waukeen would go over to 'party central' with Sune's crew.
The rest may try to gain some power in a desperate attempt to survive. ie,... cue MORE god wars/deaths.  |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 20:52:57
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Inactive gods
Mystra (DEAD)
Cyric (Imprisoned)
Helm (dead)
Azuth (trapped on the astral plane)
Velsharoon (trapped on the astral plane)
Savras (dead)
Interesting, can't wait to get my hands on a copy of the book. I'm guessing the idea of various gods over the schools of magic isn't being looked into then. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 09:00:40
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
In what respect have you been "rubbed in the wrong way", Rinonalyrna?
What hasn't rubbed me the wrong way? That'd be an easier question to answer. Let me think...
Okay, seriously--mainly it's the in-your-face god killing. The wholesale destruction of Mystra and the Weave--and subsequent "scouring" of thousands of mages--is the salt that tops off the nice, fresh wound.
Couple that with the slaying of various drow and dwarven gods (reasons of the latter look more forced than anything else, I have to admit) and we think along the same wavelength.
Obviously ... some 11,000 years of "normal" Realms still available for our imagination. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 01:36:27
quote:
Originally posted by Wandering_mage
She dislikes the current course the Realms is heading.
Yes, that's correct.
quote:
No worries though. There is so much to go back to that no matter what you will always have the same old Realms or even have the option of dabbling in the new Realms. Either way, game on!
I agree with that too. Sticking with the old Realms suits me best, but to each their own. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 01:34:58
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
In what respect have you been "rubbed in the wrong way", Rinonalyrna?
What hasn't rubbed me the wrong way? That'd be an easier question to answer. Let me think...
Okay, seriously--mainly it's the in-your-face god killing. The wholesale destruction of Mystra and the Weave--and subsequent "scouring" of thousands of mages--is the salt that tops off the nice, fresh wound. |
| Wandering_mage |
Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 21:20:09
She dislikes the current course the Realms is heading. No worries though. There is so much to go back to that no matter what you will always have the same old Realms or even have the option of dabbling in the new Realms. Either way, game on! |
| Zanan |
Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 09:07:26
Well, for the first time in about 15 years the delivery service turned up 2 hours earlier today! Is that a sign?
In what respect have you been "rubbed in the wrong way", Rinonalyrna? |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 00:28:19
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Thanks for that. My GHotR was posted today, so I will know about that tomorrow afternoon.
You're welcome.
quote:
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if this is nothing more than a cliffhanger which then will lay dormant till the FRCS 4E comes out, next August or the like.
That's possible. But for my part, it's too late--the changes I do know about have already rubbed me the wrong way. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 00:20:00
Thanks for that. My GHotR was posted today, so I will know about that tomorrow afternoon.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if this is nothing more than a cliffhanger which then will lay dormant till the FRCS 4E comes out, next August or the like. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 23:52:02
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Now ... just out of interest ... where does this Mystra is dead notion come from? Some well hidden designer blog again?
As Jorkens said, it's stated in the Grand History of the Realms--there's a spoiler thread in this very forum. |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 12:05:37
quote:
Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Maybe some of the divine powers merge to form completely new entities; somewhat similar to the trio of divine elven ladies that cooperate to form a more powerful entity that even (at least in 2e) had its own priesthood (IIRC).
Yes, this is Angharrad, who is formed by the combination of Aerdrie Faenya, Hanali Celanil, and Sehanine Moonbow (who nonetheless remain three seperate goddesses). She succeeds Araushnee as Queen of Arvandor (and companion of Correlon), and she has her own priesthood. |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 10:02:30
Maybe some of the divine powers merge to form completely new entities; somewhat similar to the trio of divine elven ladies that cooperate to form a more powerful entity that even (at least in 2e) had its own priesthood (IIRC). |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 09:56:23
As far as I remember it is from the Grand History of the Forgotten Realms. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 09:33:43
Now ... just out of interest ... where does this Mystra is dead notion come from? Some well hidden designer blog again? |
| maransreth |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 09:12:25
Would deities whose home planes are the Material plane, need to leave to seek protection?
They might due to the lack of the Weave to sustain them, just unsure what would happen to these deities. |
| scererar |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 05:16:25
maybe the gods will withdraw from contact with the mortal world, leaving gaping holes in night sky, where their constellations used to be..........oh wait that was another setting 
So far what I have read in my copy of the GHotR, the gods do have some significant movement and alliance changes, during the next 9 realms years prior to 1385. It will be interesting to see how the spellplague effects the rest. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 04:31:54
quote:
Originally posted by Lawfire
I thought Eldath served under Silvanus, alongside Mielikki - even considering themselves sisters (even though they aren't).
That's correct. |
| Lawfire |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 04:06:26
I thought Eldath served under Silvanus, alongside Mielikki - even considering themselves sisters (even though they aren't). |
