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| Neonai |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 01:08:51
Hi,
does anyone know the gloom dragon?
ý was looking for some overpowered ancient beings of planes and its name as well as several other planar dragons I ve seen but I couldn't find anything but where they dwell and their breath weapon.
I would love to know if they are like epic like prismatic dragons or are they more like the normal dragons?
and if you know anything ý would like to learn the specifics.
thanx |
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| Neonai |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 19:56:18
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
quote:
Originally posted by Neonai
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be?
Nothing can or should be a challenge to Ao. As an overgod, Ao transcends anything within Toril's cosmology.
Ao is more suitable as a plot device than as an encounter for players. There are not mechanics or rules for combating an overgod, so really, challenging Ao is beyond the scope of the D&D game.
it is not for an encounter actually but just curiosity. ý saw in the book of vile darkness that asmodeus cr is 30 or sth but a great wyrm prismatic dragon form d20srd.org is 66. It just seem like these kind of dreatures are above even gods. so ý thought how would they be compared to an overgod.
yeah, ý know glom dragon is lame but prismatic dragon is way too strong. |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 00:48:49
quote:
Originally posted by Neonai
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be?
Nothing can or should be a challenge to Ao. As an overgod, Ao transcends anything within Toril's cosmology.
Ao is more suitable as a plot device than as an encounter for players. There are not mechanics or rules for combating an overgod, so really, challenging Ao is beyond the scope of the D&D game. |
| Marc |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 11:51:27
I don't know why you're interested in this, but if you advance Grazzt and his colleagues like in FC I they shoud be above the oldest prismatic wyrm. Ao is untouchable of course. I'd put prismatic great wyrms in line with demigods in terms of power. I imagine Io as their most avanced paragon with divine ranks
Anyway IMO I think that Gloom Dragon from Dragon 344 is badly done, but if you look at elysium dragon and his picture, that's classic, lol lol |
| Neonai |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 00:48:09
I looked through the prismatic and force dragons. they seem to be stronger than greater powers and grazzt or asmodeus
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be? |
| Ergdusch |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 21:08:21
Not in the Monster Manual. However, to find other planar dragons you have to look here:
MM II (Hellfire Wyrm), Draconomicon (i.e. Battle ~, Chaos ~, Etherial ~, Rust ~, Styx Dragon and more Planar Dragons)
For Epic Monsters you might also want to look at some unique monsters discribed in the FR sourcebooks such as Klauth, a red great wyrm (FRCS). By looking closely you should discover more such opponents of CR in epic level scale. |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 15:43:54
There is not much out there for epic play. Mongoose publishing did an Epic Monster book:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1139
or can be purchased as a pdf download here: http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=12626&
There was also the Immortals Handbook Epic Bestiary: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3481
and Legends of Avadnu Bestiary:
http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2024
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| Marc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:51:36
Epic Level Handbook and Monster Manual II |
| Neonai |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:48:13
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Some Epic monsters
http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicMonsters.htm
ý was just looking there. thanks anyway but ý was thinking a more detailed source |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:36:56
Some Epic monsters
http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicMonsters.htm |
| Neonai |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:04:57
thanks alot. where can ý find epic dragons or other epic monsters?
are they in monsters manual? |
| Ergdusch |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 12:52:22
IIRC Gloom Dragons are Planar Dragons that exclusively exist in The Gray Waste of Hades (plane) as they represent the apathic loss of hope prevelant there and as such are not native to Faerun.
There Breath weapon caused effected victims to fall in a state of complete hopelessness.
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| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 12:48:44
In issue 344 of Dragon Magazine, 4 new planar dragon species were introduced: the Astral Dragon, Chole Dragon, Elysian Dragon and Gloom Dragon. They have not been detailed anywhere else.
The gloom dragon is given normal dragon stats and age progression, none of these dragons were epic. Gloom dragons live in the Three Glooms of Hades. They look like a skeleton covered in hide and have a ridge of tombstone-shaped spines running down their back. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 01:16:27
Well it appears to be a Planar Dragon and was at least mentioned in Dragon Issue #344 (Cover Date Jun 2006). |
