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Neonai
Acolyte
Turkey
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 01:08:51
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Hi,
does anyone know the gloom dragon?
ý was looking for some overpowered ancient beings of planes and its name as well as several other planar dragons I ve seen but I couldn't find anything but where they dwell and their breath weapon.
I would love to know if they are like epic like prismatic dragons or are they more like the normal dragons?
and if you know anything ý would like to learn the specifics.
thanx
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 01:16:27
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| Well it appears to be a Planar Dragon and was at least mentioned in Dragon Issue #344 (Cover Date Jun 2006). |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 12:48:44
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In issue 344 of Dragon Magazine, 4 new planar dragon species were introduced: the Astral Dragon, Chole Dragon, Elysian Dragon and Gloom Dragon. They have not been detailed anywhere else.
The gloom dragon is given normal dragon stats and age progression, none of these dragons were epic. Gloom dragons live in the Three Glooms of Hades. They look like a skeleton covered in hide and have a ridge of tombstone-shaped spines running down their back. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 12:52:22
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IIRC Gloom Dragons are Planar Dragons that exclusively exist in The Gray Waste of Hades (plane) as they represent the apathic loss of hope prevelant there and as such are not native to Faerun.
There Breath weapon caused effected victims to fall in a state of complete hopelessness.
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Neonai
Acolyte
Turkey
34 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:04:57
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thanks alot. where can ý find epic dragons or other epic monsters?
are they in monsters manual? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:36:56
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Some Epic monsters
http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicMonsters.htm |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Neonai
Acolyte
Turkey
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Marc
Senior Scribe
658 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 14:51:36
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| Epic Level Handbook and Monster Manual II |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 21:08:21
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Not in the Monster Manual. However, to find other planar dragons you have to look here:
MM II (Hellfire Wyrm), Draconomicon (i.e. Battle ~, Chaos ~, Etherial ~, Rust ~, Styx Dragon and more Planar Dragons)
For Epic Monsters you might also want to look at some unique monsters discribed in the FR sourcebooks such as Klauth, a red great wyrm (FRCS). By looking closely you should discover more such opponents of CR in epic level scale. |
"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht." |
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Neonai
Acolyte
Turkey
34 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 00:48:09
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I looked through the prismatic and force dragons. they seem to be stronger than greater powers and grazzt or asmodeus
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be? |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 11:51:27
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I don't know why you're interested in this, but if you advance Grazzt and his colleagues like in FC I they shoud be above the oldest prismatic wyrm. Ao is untouchable of course. I'd put prismatic great wyrms in line with demigods in terms of power. I imagine Io as their most avanced paragon with divine ranks
Anyway IMO I think that Gloom Dragon from Dragon 344 is badly done, but if you look at elysium dragon and his picture, that's classic, lol lol |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 00:48:49
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Originally posted by Neonai
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be?
Nothing can or should be a challenge to Ao. As an overgod, Ao transcends anything within Toril's cosmology.
Ao is more suitable as a plot device than as an encounter for players. There are not mechanics or rules for combating an overgod, so really, challenging Ao is beyond the scope of the D&D game. |
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Neonai
Acolyte
Turkey
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 19:56:18
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
quote:
Originally posted by Neonai
can they be a challenge to ao or are there any monsters depicted that can be?
Nothing can or should be a challenge to Ao. As an overgod, Ao transcends anything within Toril's cosmology.
Ao is more suitable as a plot device than as an encounter for players. There are not mechanics or rules for combating an overgod, so really, challenging Ao is beyond the scope of the D&D game.
it is not for an encounter actually but just curiosity. ý saw in the book of vile darkness that asmodeus cr is 30 or sth but a great wyrm prismatic dragon form d20srd.org is 66. It just seem like these kind of dreatures are above even gods. so ý thought how would they be compared to an overgod.
yeah, ý know glom dragon is lame but prismatic dragon is way too strong. |
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