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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 22:10:04
Hello fellow scribes,
I wrote a long winded post on WOTC's boards inspired by the comments of such luminaries as Ed and Eric Boyd, about what I wanted as a Forgotten Realms consumer, in as reasoned tones as I could muster, since we were assured that the boards are monitored for fan reactions.
I never expected the support that I got, and I thank all of my fellow scribes from here at Candlekeep for chiming in. Now that I have seen that there were some people willing to chime in and agree with my initial post though, I'm a bit greedy and wanted to keep it going. The thread has stalled out around two pages, and I don't want it to disappear without it having a bit more visibility, and I fear that the same posters bumping it with cause it to be more easily dismissed. So if you are inclined to take a peek, here is the thread, and if you agree, chime in, and let WOTC know, and hey, if you don't, give your own well thought out opinions of the subject.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=685115
Now, I have also posted a request at Paizo regarding FR articles, which has received far less attention. I know there are a lot of Realms fans that read Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, but I think Paizo's boards tend to be somewhat daunting to Realms fans given the fact that the Greyhawk and Eberron fans there have a tendancy to throw out every FR cliche whenever the setting is mentioned. I'll post my Paizo thread here as well, and if you agree, chime in, and if not, hey, throw in your own ideas as well.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/dragon/articleRequests/forgottenRealmsArticlesSomeSpecificRequests |
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| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 26 Aug 2006 : 16:17:27
Bumping the thing up in case some people haven't noticed it yet 
Let's hope we can achieve something |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 17:59:29
quote:
Originally posted by Xysma
By the way, thanks to KEJR for taking the time to so adequately summarize what so many of us want in our Realms products.
Indeed. It would have taken me quite some time to come up with that, and I still don't know that I'd've stated it as well. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 07:06:26
The Volo guides are among the gaming material I use most; both for campaign planning and realms enjoyment. I don't think well see more though; to WOtC defence, I can actually see that releasing a product that rule-less would be a sure way of reducing the potential buyers. I would love it, but two thirds of the buyers might not.
I am pleasantly surprised at the level of unity at the WOtC page, how often have there been three pages of posting there without it becoming an argument? Maybe we might see some changes after all. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 05:10:48
By the way, thanks to KEJR for taking the time to so adequately summarize what so many of us want in our Realms products. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 05:08:11
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, I think you are right about this. I loved the Volo Guides.
I agree, I run 3.5 and I still use the Volo's Guides. They are excellent for fleshing out an area, they make things far more interesting than "you walk into a tavern that is exactly like every other tavern you ever walked into"  The only reason I can come up with for WotC not supporting new Volo's Guides would be lack of crunch. It seems the mindset now is that no crunch = not useful. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 02:26:27
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, I think you are right about this. I loved the Volo Guides. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 23:18:34
quote:
Originally posted by Reefy
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, you're not being thick. I don't know anyone who's looked at the Volo's Guides who hasn't been impressed with them. They're packed full of useful information for players and DMs alike. I too would be interested to know what the objection is. My thinking is that they might say it has little or no crossover potential (though I think you could easily steal 'Tavern A' and place it in your homebrew world, and heck, they might even convert a few people to the Realms).
Agreed. I was a fan of the setting before I got my hands on Volo's Guide to Waterdeep, but it was this book that made the City of Splendors come to life. And by making Waterdeep come to life, it breathed life into the rest of the setting. The almost-pure flavor of those books was unlike anything before or since. And it's a shame that they're not bringing them back, because bringing a setting to life like that is how you hook people and make sure they stay hooked. |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 22:38:57
How well did the original Volo Guides sell?
I know they are great assets for both players and GMs, but did they actually sell all that well? |
| Reefy |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 22:32:46
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, you're not being thick. I don't know anyone who's looked at the Volo's Guides who hasn't been impressed with them. They're packed full of useful information for players and DMs alike. I too would be interested to know what the objection is. My thinking is that they might say it has little or no crossover potential (though I think you could easily steal 'Tavern A' and place it in your homebrew world, and heck, they might even convert a few people to the Realms). |
| ShadowJack |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 17:38:11
Three things:
1. Thank you to KEJr and Rhin. I agree with the whole "ancient Evils thing! I have not been on WoTC forum for months but will go on and check it out.
2. I can not imagine the big giant space hamster doing anything that would necessitate him getting banned! Down with mindless Tyrants!
3. Rats! I forget what the third thing was... *scratches head and hurries back into the shadows* |
| Faraer |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 17:10:28
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here? |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:58:10
Thanks everyone for the support, and from Rich says, it may be a worthwhile endevor, though the Volo's Guide comment (which I knew was a longshot) doesn't appear to EVER be in the cards again.
Definately keep chiming in, and take some time to read what Rich said. I get what is being said about the regional sourcebooks, but I definately want to make sure we have some input on the formats they try.
And if Rich reads this here, thanks.
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| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:49:04
quote:
Originally posted by Conlon
Knight Errant, you have my sword AND my bow! I have added my name on the Wizards site under your excellent plea for Realms justice.
...And my axe (sorry, I´m eager to talk this... ).
Anyway, the same goes to me. I´m adding myself in the Wizards boards only to give more suport to your thread.  |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:41:36
So far the response to your thread on the Wizards board is pretty well supportive, KEJ.
Let's hope they dig it. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:36:23
Oh, I understand Eytan, I have a great deal of respect for the staff at Paizo's magazines, its the rank and file posters I don't expect to jump on the "signatory" wagon as they did on WOTC's site.
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| EytanBernstein |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 09:59:47
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Now, I have also posted a request at Paizo regarding FR articles, which has received far less attention. I know there are a lot of Realms fans that read Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, but I think Paizo's boards tend to be somewhat daunting to Realms fans given the fact that the Greyhawk and Eberron fans there have a tendancy to throw out every FR cliche whenever the setting is mentioned. I'll post my Paizo thread here as well, and if you agree, chime in, and if not, hey, throw in your own ideas as well.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/dragon/articleRequests/forgottenRealmsArticlesSomeSpecificRequests
Don't assume that the fact that they haven't openly acknowledged your requests means that the people at Paizo haven't paid attention. My relatively brief time working with/for people from WOTC/Paizo has shown me that they are very aware of what happens on the boards, even when they are too busy to respond. |
| Conlon |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 04:44:57
Knight Errant, you have my sword AND my bow! I have added my name on the Wizards site under your excellent plea for Realms justice. |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 17:08:56
Hopefully we'll get to actually see some reaction... |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 15:46:45
Sorry to tempt you into breaking your vow Wooly, but I appreciate the support. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 11:25:36
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
Woollly, I'll forward your comments if you like.
Thanks for the offer, but it's taken care of. It kinda pained me to do so, but I used the other login I had. I created one right after I was banned, before I knew what was going on. It's only the second post I've made with that account; I'd not even logged in with it in over a year.
So my comments are made, and I can go back to ignoring that forum. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 11:23:27
quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do... 
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer
Ask for forgiveness from someone who not only banned me without reason, but who couldn't even tell me why, despite trying to run it down twice? Ask for forgiveness for not being allowed to help people, like I do over here? Ask for forgiveness for having hundreds of useful posts ignored in a knee-jerk reaction? I think not, on all counts. *I* am owed the apology, not the other way around.
And that's enough on that topic. This is not the place to discuss it. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:49:42
In any case, whichever WizO did it, if they're still there, has probably forgotten about it. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:44:35
quote:
Originally posted by Winterfox
As I understand it, Wooly got banned for no particular reason. Why should he need to apologize?
That's what I was wondering. If I was him, I'd ask them to apologize to him, not the other way around. |
| Winterfox |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:43:05
quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do...
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer
As I understand it, Wooly got banned for no particular reason. Why should he need to apologize? |
| Faraer |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:34:34
Woollly, I'll forward your comments if you like. |
| Sanishiver |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 06:26:13
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do...
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:54:27
I saw this yesterday KnightErrandJR, great initiative. The response on Wizards boards surprised me a little bit in the pleasant sense; I had expected some dissent among the posters there.
Maybe there is some hope after all. |
| GothicDan |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:37:55
*Pats Wooly.*
.. Incognito? *Cough* |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:12:31
Argh! I so want to go over there and comment on this! The thing is, if I did that, I'd be breaking my oath not to return to those forums until they apologize for wrongfully banning me! I don't know what to do... |
| hammer of Moradin |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 04:43:30
You'll never guess what my post dealt with! |
